Sole Hunter
Banned
Yes, if it is considered cheating then it should be enforced and actions should be taken however it is not case and as proven before, Fdev is very lazy to take actions against cheaters.
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An investigation into Frontier's actions on Combat Logging
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Yes, if it is considered cheating then it should be enforced and actions should be taken however it is not case and as proven before, Fdev is very lazy to take actions against cheaters.
Sorry but according to the TOS that you've quoted, abusing exploits or bugs is considered cheating.
Sole Hunter
Banned
read next time.
No no, I´m not anti PvP, don´t get me wrong. But the OP is clearly gank-related. It´s not about someone cl´ing in a CZ.
But give a thought: How much will it take FD to implement a C&P system? I believe it´s nearly impossible to achive a proper mechanic, without false positives, without chance to exploit it. When I look at the way the gankers play their game, I can see they try to find every exploit they can. Then they use it. Extensively. So tell me, what would change with C&P? They still would search for the exploits and use them. Extensively.
And I can guarantee you, there will be exploits.
For me it´s not the ToS, it´s the players, unable to fit in a greater common sense than their own agenda allows them to.
So - remove the players?
Reading you loud and clear, Buddy.
Systems that, when exploited, lead to the banishment of the perpetrator. Let 'em buy a new copy of the game if they want to play again.
It doesn't have to be perfect, just Good Enough.
Then again, Frontier apparently has no desire to ban cheaters, so.. GG, I guess? Rule of law in this game doesn't matter anymore. And I don't mean that ironically, I mean that if the law has no teeth, it may as well not exist.
No no, I´m not anti PvP, don´t get me wrong. But the OP is clearly gank-related. It´s not about someone cl´ing in a CZ.
But give a thought: How much will it take FD to implement a C&P system? I believe it´s nearly impossible to achive a proper mechanic, without false positives, without chance to exploit it. When I look at the way the gankers play their game, I can see they try to find every exploit they can. Then they use it. Extensively. So tell me, what would change with C&P? They still would search for the exploits and use them. Extensively.
And I can guarantee you, there will be exploits.
For me it´s not the ToS, it´s the players, unable to fit in a greater common sense than their own agenda allows them to.
So - remove the players?
Well, we can't give up can we? The game has to keep moving, and if exploits occur then so be it, it will be patched.
The problem is that combat logging isn't 100% griefers encountering a logging 'victim', sometimes it's a guy logging because the tide of a fight turned on him, sometimes it's a powerplay underminer logging because he was found in a control system. It's impossible to generalize this, but the terms of service are fortunately very clear. What we need is a shakeup, we need the rules enforced, we need the crime system grabbed by the horns and improved, we need a great big fix, and it's all the better if we can actually work together to get there.
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The fact that this game has a legitimate method with which to log out during combat only muddies the water, and points out the absurdity of harping on how people use their borrowed pixels. The difference between the incident being ignored because it was within the rules, or it breaking the game's rules, is a measly 15 seconds. This whole outrage party is bubbling along because of 15 seconds.
15 seconds is plenty of time to swing the outcome of a fight.
Has this ever happened? I've spent literal in game days in 8 hour shifts staking out systems that were undermined/5th columned and I've never seen them in open.
You can easily kill an anaconda in less than 15 seconds if shields have gone down.
That´s funny. I want to see your face when they tell you your account has been banned because of cheating. And in reality it was a false positive. You will be happily buying another copy?!?
It´s not that easy.
And please don´t talk about this as "law". We are playing a game here, we all want to enjoy it. By calling it law you are giving it a political dimension, which this issue clearly doesn´t deserve.
Because that explosion is so important. I don't get it. Such reactions to actions within a video game people routinely game for personal benefit.
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That's a big 'if'. As in one of the biggest 'If's' in the game.
Shields offline is where the vast majority begin combat logging.
Also, explosions are 'important' because letting people go scott free turns everything into a playground with no purpose. If they are hauling cargo of significance, if they are fighting a group and they log out to repair quickly to return, it matters, simple as that.
Yepp. There was a One Man's Lying this year. It did not end well for his game.
I'm sure all of this is from the Hand Book. It seems to matter way more than it should. It's like a rash. This topic is brought up time and time again. It's like a monthly group therapy session. Buck up, and get over it.
Considering I stay away from PvP games when my internet is acting up, that's exceedingly unlikely.
Stop getting so wound up over a figure of speech. Every game has rules.
Fortunately Sole Hunter is right.
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