It is obvious that you spent a lot of time and effort on your initial post, so kudos for that. The thing is, and part of why you have received some of the reception you have with this is that to be blunt, there is nothing new in it that hasn't already been suggested and said any number of times across the forums here and reddit. This thread will follow the entirely predictable flow that they always do.
An Open Letter to the E:D Team and Frontier
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Yes. The only person who can definitively say what would make the game better for me would be me. And that would most likely inadvertently screw things up for someone else. I have no desire for anyone to speak on my part. Im more than capable of being vocal.
Apologies OP, TLDR got as far as ED is too Grindy and gives you ability to get to end game in a few hours. A truely notable achievment! OK I read the combat bit and it got me thinking.
The numbers of kills per level may be too higjh compared to previous games. In Elite, and both FE2 and FFE the frequency of attack, and hence abiolity to get a kill was higher, and I think the numbers required (assuming we are onyl getting 1.0 kills for the kill in ED), is less. In contrast, ED requires you to "opt in" to doing combat, whether hunting pirates, HaxRes or Conflict Zone. This, with high numbers combined with shocking target selection policy (driven by credits and not NPC raknking) by players leads to slow progress.
If you measure ONLY by credits, nothing makes sense in the game, mining doubly so
If you take the other factors of the game , it makes sense, well more anyway. We have ourselves trapped in the "play my way" for equal reward, rather than I want to achieve "X", game mechanics work like X,Y and Z so I will do X and Z. FD rather fostered this credit obsession, by refusing to actually explain the mechanics (hiding progress bars until 2.x), so we all latched ontoo credts as they were easy to measure and do measure progres in one axis.
Take Conflicts Zones as an example. they pay a lot less per hour than High Res, for much harder ships. Massacre Missions can certainly help form a credit per hour point of view, but do not actually need you to go to the conflict zones, making Haz Res even better with a bit of searching on the Galaxy Map. Conflict Zones change ownership of resources, one of the very few ways we can change the persistent universe. There is a cost to this that reduces the payout per ship destroyed.
This makes sense, but it means Conflict Zones, although arguably more fun than Res Sites, do not earn enough money, so peoepl want a buff. To say ou do not care about the BGS, means you ar eoly playing a subset of the game - why balance for those who only play a subsaet?
Well that is my take anyway. Only got as far as combat and the obsession with "credits" prompted this.
Simon
The numbers of kills per level may be too higjh compared to previous games. In Elite, and both FE2 and FFE the frequency of attack, and hence abiolity to get a kill was higher, and I think the numbers required (assuming we are onyl getting 1.0 kills for the kill in ED), is less. In contrast, ED requires you to "opt in" to doing combat, whether hunting pirates, HaxRes or Conflict Zone. This, with high numbers combined with shocking target selection policy (driven by credits and not NPC raknking) by players leads to slow progress.
If you measure ONLY by credits, nothing makes sense in the game, mining doubly so
If you take the other factors of the game , it makes sense, well more anyway. We have ourselves trapped in the "play my way" for equal reward, rather than I want to achieve "X", game mechanics work like X,Y and Z so I will do X and Z. FD rather fostered this credit obsession, by refusing to actually explain the mechanics (hiding progress bars until 2.x), so we all latched ontoo credts as they were easy to measure and do measure progres in one axis.Take Conflicts Zones as an example. they pay a lot less per hour than High Res, for much harder ships. Massacre Missions can certainly help form a credit per hour point of view, but do not actually need you to go to the conflict zones, making Haz Res even better with a bit of searching on the Galaxy Map. Conflict Zones change ownership of resources, one of the very few ways we can change the persistent universe. There is a cost to this that reduces the payout per ship destroyed.
This makes sense, but it means Conflict Zones, although arguably more fun than Res Sites, do not earn enough money, so peoepl want a buff. To say ou do not care about the BGS, means you ar eoly playing a subset of the game - why balance for those who only play a subsaet?
Well that is my take anyway. Only got as far as combat and the obsession with "credits" prompted this.
Simon
The game, when working as intended, has always been about learning about how things work...it is hard.
By making things too easy, there is no learning process and you end up with lots of players who don't know one end of a spaceship from another. This game is littered with the hulls of noob conda cmdrs who thought that just having one was enough to survive...it wasn't.
By making things too easy, there is no learning process and you end up with lots of players who don't know one end of a spaceship from another. This game is littered with the hulls of noob conda cmdrs who thought that just having one was enough to survive...it wasn't.
So I watched Yamik's latest video and it got me thinking on several aspects of this game. I for one want E
Let's address these under different headings and subheadings to make things easier.
Also, to the players who might back me...no I got words for you as well. I ain't takin' no prisoners.
An entire post itself could probably be written on this alone and I put it first after the most recent patch, you know...the one where you guys took a massive nerf hammer to mining? Now let me preface this before I got legions of players running to back me up.
Sorry .... I missed the part where you took the time to literally ask EVERY player what they wanted. Because if you didn't do that, if this is just a list of what YOU want and what people in your circle want, then it's as unwelcome as the "open letter" that Yamiks and co signed a while ago.
It makes no difference if you are right, and what YOU ask for is exactly what would fix the game, YOU don't speak for me or for anyone else in the community. YOU have no right to make "requests" of Frontier, and the real biggest problem this game has always had is pandering to anyone who whines and cries just because they don't like a feature or features.
And I know what's going to happen now, you and/or others supporting you are going to reply to me making points they think are valid justifications for what you've posted, but you miss the point, so here it is in big bold letters, nice and simple ....
STOP MAKING DEMANDS OF FRONTIER
TL;DR.
I’ll say this, though: I have always suspected that the original Open Letter was actually an elaborate troll by some (but not all) of the signatories.
You know, “let’s get content delayed over obscure bugs and laugh at the salt.”
Some of those signatories had long histories of trolling and temper tantrums, so it wouldn’t surprise me.
I’ll say this, though: I have always suspected that the original Open Letter was actually an elaborate troll by some (but not all) of the signatories.
You know, “let’s get content delayed over obscure bugs and laugh at the salt.”
Some of those signatories had long histories of trolling and temper tantrums, so it wouldn’t surprise me.
Spot on! I lost interest from the word Yamiks
Who do these people think they are? Saying they speak for me WHEN QUITE CLEARLY THEY DON'T
I have some sympathy, he's just a player like me, who wants the best for the game ... like me ... the problem is, his idea of what's best for the game might not fit my idea for what's best for the game, and his & mine ideas for what's best for the game may not fit your idea for what's best for the game.
So when one player or a group of players start making these open letter "requests" and start making their voices louder and louder so Frontier only hear them, it pulls Frontier away from making the game that everyone could enjoy, and towards making a game only certain people could enjoy.
They think they're making the game better, but they're not. They should just let Frontier get on with it.
And no, this isn't the same as giving your opinion when you don't like a feature or reporting bugs .... open letter requests are actively trying to influence development, and strangely, these open letter requests never come from the devs themselves
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I can agree that the game could use some improvements but the difficulty is highlighted between the first 2 points alone, it is about striking a balance.
Game progression shouldn't be easy/too quick but shouldn't be a grind. This magic 'Goldilocks' middle point is going to be different to every single player.
You only have to see the mining story to see how divided players are. Some were deeply unhappy that a new player to the game was able to get an FC within their first month of play, many players, long standing ones, are deeply unhappy that it got nerfed this week.
Any change will bring misery to some, joy to the other. The ability to find the 'Goldilocks' point is nigh on impossible.
Game progression shouldn't be easy/too quick but shouldn't be a grind. This magic 'Goldilocks' middle point is going to be different to every single player.
You only have to see the mining story to see how divided players are. Some were deeply unhappy that a new player to the game was able to get an FC within their first month of play, many players, long standing ones, are deeply unhappy that it got nerfed this week.
Any change will bring misery to some, joy to the other. The ability to find the 'Goldilocks' point is nigh on impossible.
We all want the best we can get from the game, I do, you do, others do.
I don't like the pewpew part of ED, but I'v done plenty of other stuff in the 5 1/2 years I'v been playing.
Like other's do, I let Frontier know when I not enjoying something, but like you say, I've never told Frontier how to develop THEIR game.
It's THEIR job, THEIR game, THEIR rules to do with as they please & if players don't like it TOUGH - they can always do something else.
It gets my back up when other's think that they say "they are speaking on MY behalf" with these open letter bull.
I will ask if I want someone to speak on my behalf, if other's have opinions good, express them as opinions, don't assume that your opinions are identical to mine.
I don't like the pewpew part of ED, but I'v done plenty of other stuff in the 5 1/2 years I'v been playing.
Like other's do, I let Frontier know when I not enjoying something, but like you say, I've never told Frontier how to develop THEIR game.
It's THEIR job, THEIR game, THEIR rules to do with as they please & if players don't like it TOUGH - they can always do something else.
It gets my back up when other's think that they say "they are speaking on MY behalf" with these open letter bull
.I will ask if I want someone to speak on my behalf, if other's have opinions good, express them as opinions, don't assume that your opinions are identical to mine.
Is there a link to the original open letter which has been mentioned?
I was away for a while and this is all new to me.
I was away for a while and this is all new to me.
I think Arthur has done a good job of addressing the Cobra MkIV noise.
That said, the PC community appear to have taken up the mantle, demanding VR for Odyssey.
I would suggest that using the term ‘open letter’ detracted from what it was you were trying to do op. People see that and be this:
What would be interesting is to find out from the players which single aspect of the game needs attention first. I suspect agreement on that alone would be hard to find and that is before you start to try to agree on solutions.
What would be interesting is to find out from the players which single aspect of the game needs attention first. I suspect agreement on that alone would be hard to find and that is before you start to try to agree on solutions.
tl;dr
Three things.
Open letter
Yamiks
Length
- so I didn't go further than the first paragraph.
Just went to the comments for a laugh. And they are entertaining.
Open letter
Yamiks
Length
- so I didn't go further than the first paragraph.
Just went to the comments for a laugh. And they are entertaining.
Having Open Letter on anything in this forum is like walking up to a Liverpool supporter and whispering 'Everton' into their ear.
Its not going to end well.
Its not going to end well.
There is no way to 'fix' any of the current, perceived, problems - end of story
The reason is plain and simple - there are a multitude of diverse opinions on what may be 'broken' or just 'plain wrong' in the game (just mention PvP / PvE or Modes and watch the 'foaming at the mouth' begin!) that to accommodate even the least divisive 'fix' would mean creating a game that no longer resembles the one we are playing today.
Incidentally, I didn't consider any of your presented topics as problems - obviously you do... Although the common gripe about "Harmless N00bs in Fleet Carriers / Anacondas" and said N00bs having "too many credits" is laughable, sorry
I didn't notice any meaningful points made in the OP toward PP and BGS - so obviously he is only credit oriented
Oh I do love "open letters". They may make a lot of good points, but it's like shouting into the wind.
Frontier is run by bean counters now, and they aren't really all that good at counting beans. But they got the best sheepskin that their daddy's money could buy for them, so there's that.
Not to worry. If or when they ruin this franchise, there's be no end of other franchises eager to hire them to destroy theirs too. Building a legacy is a thing of the past, it's all about vulture economics now. Find a carcass, pick its bones clean, then move on.
Frontier is run by bean counters now, and they aren't really all that good at counting beans. But they got the best sheepskin that their daddy's money could buy for them, so there's that.
Not to worry. If or when they ruin this franchise, there's be no end of other franchises eager to hire them to destroy theirs too. Building a legacy is a thing of the past, it's all about vulture economics now. Find a carcass, pick its bones clean, then move on.
