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Minonian

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Minonian
ArchEmperor said:
Right wing do not commit terror.
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Than what is this?

Robin of Spiritwood said:
Why not post a reference to support the position you cited previously? I cannot find any sources that have that suggestion. It would be rather surprising to see any actual investigative info for a couple days, in any case.

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The Muslim Council of Britain is blaming Islamophobia.
( However they are hardly an investigative body, so there's no actual substantive evidence for it.)

BBC reports that the arrested man is white, which is hardly unusual in the UK.
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usual racist attack, fueled by the previous Muslim terror attacks. The circle of violence.
Answering to terror with terror and hurt the innocents are not the answer, there are when you must make a stand and there is when you after suffering it you became someone just like your torturers.
 

Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Patrick_68000 said:
If he is not responsible for his actions, you can not judge him. Just to intern him in a hospital.
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Why do you think he is not responsible for his actions? It sounds from the reports that he specifically targeted and wanted to kill Muslims, and the Police are treating it as a terrorist attack.

Doesn't sound particularly insane to me, just racist...
 

Sir.Tj

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Sir.Tj
Just to be 100% clear folks.

Racist comments will not be tolerated in any way shape or form.

Thanks all.
 

TheAntitheist Crusader

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Another terrorist attack, society failing, police struggling, time to get a labour government that cares enough to help everyone.

I must say we need to praise the imam who helped keep the crowd at bay untill the police could arrest the terrorist.
 

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
TheAntitheist Crusader said:
Another terrorist attack, society failing, police struggling, time to get a labour government that cares enough to help everyone.
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The problem is, Labour care too much, and are too soft.
I'm pretty sure they're the ones to blame for so many of the full-time benefits spongers we all seem to be paying for, while all the other important services are being cut.

We need a firm government, to get people working, forcibly if possible, and lower the benefits bill, and increase money to services, and eventually pay off all the debt Labour (and everyone else) racked up over the years. :p

Incredibly off topic, but I just needed to get that out there.

Back on topic...
It's sad what we keep waking up too these days. My news app on my phone is pretty grim these days.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
 

TheAntitheist Crusader

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CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
The problem is, Labour care too much, and are too soft.
I'm pretty sure they're the ones to blame for so many of the full-time benefits spongers we all seem to be paying for, while all the other important services are being cut.

We need a firm government, to get people working, forcibly if possible, and lower the benefits bill, and increase money to services, and eventually pay off all the debt Labour (and everyone else) racked up over the years. :p

Incredibly off topic, but I just needed to get that out there.

Back on topic...
It's sad what we keep waking up too these days. My news app on my phone is pretty grim these days.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
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Forgive me if i hugely disagree with your views....this is not the appropriate thread for my left wing rants so i shall hold my tongue.
Back to this attack, people need to know that this is a terrorist attack, politically motivated just like the Jo Cox murder, and every bit as digusting as the Christian terrorist attacks in the USA and the Islamic terrorism throughout Europe, it will never be tolerated by ANY serious party in British politics.
 
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FuzzySpider

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By the way folks, if you see the UK media letting up on this and not referring to it as "terrorism" just bear in mind that this guy was captured alive, unlike the other recent attackers.

The UK media faces quite strict reporting and publication restrictions, and not just the media. Getting into twitter battles or whatever on something like this would be ill advised if actual names are being named etc. Prejudicial comments about this guy will be considered contempt of court if they can be traced back to you.
 
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hairychris

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FuzzySpider said:
By the way folks, if you see the UK media letting up on this and not referring to it as "terrorism" just bear in mind that this guy was captured alive, unlike the other recent attackers.

The UK media faces quite strict reporting and publication restrictions, and not just the media. Getting into twitter battles or whatever on something like this would be ill advised if actual names are being named etc. Prejudicial comments about this guy will be considered contempt of court if they can be traced back to you.
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Yeah, this.

The previous attackers died so no court cases to consider.
 

Robin of Spiritwood

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FuzzySpider said:
By the way folks, if you see the UK media letting up on this and not referring to it as "terrorism" just bear in mind that this guy was captured alive, unlike the other recent attackers.

The UK media faces quite strict reporting and publication restrictions, and not just the media. Getting into twitter battles or whatever on something like this would be ill advised if actual names are being named etc. Prejudicial comments about this guy will be considered contempt of court if they can be traced back to you.
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He's been arrested for "terrorism related charges", so maybe this isn't going to be an issue.
 

Patrick_68000

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And in Paris this afternoon, a radicalized man deliberately struck a police van on the Champs Elysees. In the car, gas cylinders and weapons
 

Tiny_Rick

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Tiny_Rick
God, so much workplace violence in UK. You guys need government-mandated carpet squares and nap time, God knows you get everything else from them.

Except peace of mind.
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Faded Glory said:
Why do you think he is not responsible for his actions? It sounds from the reports that he specifically targeted and wanted to kill Muslims, and the Police are treating it as a terrorist attack.

Doesn't sound particularly insane to me, just racist...
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But whenever there is an attack, the governments say that "they are unbalanced". The problem with islamic terrorists is that they died every time. But if the islamic terrorists are always unbalanced, this is also valid for other types of terrorists. And fundamentally, when we are unbalanced, we are not responsible for our acts
 
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FuzzySpider

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Robin of Spiritwood said:
He's been arrested for "terrorism related charges", so maybe this isn't going to be an issue.
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This is likely to be a high profile and very public trial, by UK standards. If I were his lawyer one defense I would attempt to use is to ask whether or not this man can possibly have a fair trial. A substantial amount of social media declaring his guilt, declaring hatred for him, or declaring his innocence and declaring that he's an all around great guy could, in theory, result in this guy going free and the people who've been talking about him could wind up before the beak.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25210867

It only really applies to UK commenters, but there is a risk. Several people have recently been fined and even jailed here for their comments on social media.
 

Faded Glory

Faded Glory
Patrick_68000 said:
But whenever there is an attack, the governments say that "they are unbalanced". The problem with islamic terrorists is that they died every time. But if the islamic terrorists are always unbalanced, this is also valid for other types of terrorists. And fundamentally, when we are unbalanced, we are not responsible for our acts
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Honestly not heard the government, or the authorities, claim that terrorist attacks are made by unbalanced people. Just by terrorists.

If you want to believe that all people who hate your (and my) way of life are unbalanced, then that's your prerogative. Personally, while I don't agree with them, I don't particularly think they are bonkers. It's common for society to claim that perpetrators of horrific crimes are insane. It makes it more palatable. It probably isn't always true.
 

beelbeebub

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CMDR_Cosmicspacehead said:
The problem is, Labour care too much, and are too soft.
I'm pretty sure they're the ones to blame for so many of the full-time benefits spongers we all seem to be paying for, while all the other important services are being cut.

We need a firm government, to get people working, forcibly if possible, and lower the benefits bill, and increase money to services, and eventually pay off all the debt Labour (and everyone else) racked up over the years. :p

Incredibly off topic, but I just needed to get that out there.

Back on topic...
It's sad what we keep waking up too these days. My news app on my phone is pretty grim these days.

CMDR Cosmic Spacehead
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For reference, the UK spends some £100bn on payments to around 10 million people who don't work. This same group is also responsible for a significant fraction of health and social care spending.

What's more, these 10million keep being given more and more whilst hard working tax payers get less and less.

Who are these 10million who account for over 15% of government spending?

Pensioners

In contrast the the UK spends around £3bn on out of work benefits for some 1.5million people. That's 0.5% of the budget.

To put it in perspective, the proposed winter fuel reductions would have saved around £1.5bn, or 50% of the unemployment benefit budget.

The deficit (the difference between spending and tax revenues) is around £75bn a year.

You could cut every single unemployment benefit and not even move the needle on the deficit.

The unemployed are not the cause of the UKs problems.
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Faded Glory said:
Honestly not heard the government, or the authorities, claim that terrorist attacks are made by unbalanced people. Just by terrorists.

If you want to believe that all people who hate your (and my) way of life are unbalanced, then that's your prerogative. Personally, while I don't agree with them, I don't particularly think they are bonkers. It's common for society to claim that perpetrators of horrific crimes are insane. It makes it more palatable. It probably isn't always true.
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For a long time when there are attacks in the United Kingdom, France, Germany and elsewhere, the press always says that it is the acts of unbalanced people, as to attenuate the gravity of the responsability. I think that they want to alleviate the islamist aspect (Religious, political and jihad) of the attacks to keep the crowds calm. Concerninf the governments, indeed, I am not sure that they are using this word.
 
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