Any grind, is in your mind.

[GodBlock]

If you find the game to be a grind, it isn't the game, it's you

You had me at this point, +1, agreed and a free salute to you sir

o7


Edit :: Well it looks as though we speak the same language, I've given you too much rep already, so please enjoy this cow being awesome

 

[Deadspin]

Why do you need a higher trade rank?
Why do you need a higher combat rank?
Why do you need a higher exploration rank?

If they mean absolutely nothing to you?

Why do you need a higher engineer rank?

I could go on...

Why do you need a higher Federation rank?
Why do you need a higher Imperial rank?

Or better still

Why do you need to play?

You two are cute together, however you seem to have lost this thing called "context" and should probably go back and find it before you continue commenting on anything.

 

[Ian Skippy]

What is PVP?

Really? Do people need to spell everything out here? Okay:

1) You can go away when you think you may be killed
2) If you want to be all manly manly and only 'fight till death', you can take a cheaper ship. PvP leagues in ED generally do not involve 1bil ships
3) If you insist on dying, and insist on only flying 1bil ships, at least acknowledge that is your own choice.

"Life is just one big grind, I have to work 23 hours a day!"
"What for? If you work eight you already have all you need?"
"No, I want to throw Ipads out of the window, thats my favourite past-time and its so expensive!"
"..."

 

[babelfisch]

Question: where is the problem? Is it with me who wants to use some of the content the game provides, or is it the game's fault for not providing any fun options to support that content, therefore enforcing a grind to whoever wants to do it?

If it's not fun don't do it. If you are doing it anyway stop doing it.

 

[Ian Skippy]

You two are cute together, however you seem to have lost this thing called "context" and should probably go back and find it before you continue commenting on anything.

So no real argument again. Okay, enjoy the grind and dont forget to blame others.

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If it's not fun don't do it. If you are doing it anyway stop doing it.

Yeah, easy to say for you with your fancy frontal cortex.

 

[Tataboj]

I'm going to grind a bit and rep you every day over and over.

 

[Jex =TE=]

I'm just going to stop you right there because your entire theory is based off of multiple assumptions.

1: That Frontier designed ED to be played like it was in the 80s.
2: That the majority of people complaining about "the grind" are impatient "want it now" types.
3: That your way of playing the game is the absolute correct way of playing the game.

1: It's just not true or we'd have true Newtonian flight like the original games and not a trumped up arcade flight mechanic with artificial limits on speed and maneuverability to keep things equal. It's not a single player game, though it can be played solo, it's designed in such a way as to encourage the use of all facets of the game while not meaning to punish you for skipping out on any single one, though engineers has proven that it will do just that.

2: There are "want it now" types in here but that's not who's doing the majority of the complaining. People play games to enjoy them and some people require a sense of achievement to reach that enjoyment. Spending 5-6 hours of your week looking for parts that may or may not show up randomly in a handful of places does not lend itself to either a sense of achievement or enjoyment. Personally, as someone who spent years training skill books in EVE Online, as well being very open about my distaste for the grind in this game, I am well acquainted with the amount of patience required to wait years to have what I want, while openly building my reserves and meeting my "joy" needs in other areas of the game. So you can kindly shove that line of thought where the sun doesn't shine.

3: None of us are ever right where this kind of thought is concerned. Everyone plays their own way. To berate any one single player for not playing the game the way you do or the way you think it should be done is asinine. Some people want the biggest and, by perception, best ships in the game as fast as possible just because. Some people think they need them to be better at BGS/CG activities (Though, arguably, the Cutter is pretty much the best CG ship). Others want the ship that best fits the current DPS meta, the best ship for the exploration meta, trade, mining and so on.

Like I said in a post yesterday about rank grinding. If we only had one grind, I wouldn't mind it at all, but we have grind on top of grind on top of grind in this game. Anything you want to do outside of RP or basic mission running, comes with a grind.

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You don't need to boost your ranks to get to the next part of the game though do you. You ranks go up as a consequence of just playing the game. Nothing more, nothing less. That is not a grind.

Scanning wakes is only a grind if you sit outside of s station and constantly do that and do nothing else to get that engineering rank ASAP.
The same goes for Ranks. You do no have to play it like that, that is a choice you decide to make.

For Engineers though you have to, right?

 

[Deke]

The game gets very repetitive at some point when i did alot of tasks in this game. Wether it was combat or exploration. I don't think it has alot of content. That's why i'm tempted to use the word grind. I won't buy another expansion if there's not something really exciting on the "horizon"

 

[CMDR Zadian Lichtfrost]

If it's not fun don't do it. If you are doing it anyway stop doing it.

What if the reward is so good that players are willing to do something they don't want to do to get the reward?
They might really, really enjoy the reward. It might even be the reason why the play the game.

Stopping to do what is not fun would result in stoping to do what is fun for them.

It's really easy to say "don't do it if it's not fun", the downside of that easiness is that it completely misses the point.

Is it really so hard to try to understand why others complain about "grind" and maybe accept that those who complain want to play the game because it has something they really enjoy?

 

[Jex =TE=]

Saying a game is bad but at the same time playing it with some kind of adictive compultion is a self defeating argument, if things were half as bad as some of you make out you would not be here. I don't play games i don't like or find dull and boring must be something wrong with me.[wacky]

Elite must give you all something why else would you spend your time here, perhaps focus on that for a change.

That's not true at all. MMO's have massively boring grind but you do it to get to the last level so you can compete in PVP where the actual fun begins (apparently, don't quote me here). So you're putting up with the grind to get somewhere. SAme is true for ED - some people want X ship and will grind for it. They'll hate the grind.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

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For Engineers though you have to, right?

Nope. I haven't. I have got a few engineered upgrades. I just get them as of when I have the materials.

 

[Jex =TE=]

Nope. I haven't. I have got a few engineered upgrades. I just get them as of when I have the materials.

I think others here have given examples of grind with Engineers so it obviously exists.

Grind is boring, repetitive, unchallenging gameplay is it not? ED has heaps of that.

 

[K-Rose]

What you get from this is one person's grind is another persons relaxing/fun/immersive gameplay. With a sandbox game you can't please everyone so this whole discussion is pointless, removing one persons grind is removing another persons favourite thing in the game.

So instead of complaining about "the grind", we should start discussing what would enhance & deepen the existing features.

Positive discussion over negative.

And yes complaining about complaining is just as bad as the complaining. (I'm as guilty of this as anyone)

 

[Lucius-Darcia]

I play Elite Dangerous for 2 years.
I wanna have a Corvette NOW!

Is this wrong? Do i really have to wait another 2 years?

Sry but i don't like your oppinion. The game IS a hole grind [blah]

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I think others here have given examples of grind with Engineers so it obviously exists.

Grind is boring, repetitive, unchallenging gameplay is it not? ED has heaps of that.

Oh I agree it exists, but it is self imposed.

 

[Martian Successor]

The difference between me and you shadragon is you had the paitence to type this out. Far too many players trying to imagine elite as something it's not. But there are plenty of that 1.5 million copies sold that apprieciate it for what it is. rep.
 As soon as i see the word grind in a post i stop reading as it instantly tells me this person has lost perspective if they ever had any to begin with. there I'll share the fallout with you.

Funny, I tend to go the other way around. Whenever I see versions on the phrase, "there is no grind" I'm not inclined to continue reading because it tells me this person is mistakenly interpreting a subjective thing as an absolute fact that applies for everyone - which is always going to be incorrect. Only Sith (and cheeky Jedi) deal in absolutes

I would prefer it if people would add "in my opinion/experience" when using a variation of the phrase "there is no grind". It's less combatitive - less 'I'm telling you how the game is meant to be played' - and also more truthful. There is grind in ED because grind means doing repetitive (often times unchallenging) tasks over and over again in order to progress in terms of credits, ranks, etc. It is the way the game's credit gathering, material gathering, military ranks, reputation systems and CGs are designed. There's nothing inherently wrong in this, every MMO-type game has an element of repetitive tasks. However it's about how much enjoyment value the player gets from doing these tasks that matters - because that strongly influences whether the player feels like they're monotonously grinding towards a destination or if they're actually enjoying the journey itself.

In my opinion, ED is limping in this regard because it hasn't yet refined and polished the systems that it requires us to use in order to run specific tasks and work towards a destination. Something like Engineers, missions, the bounty spawn-camping proffession, military ranks and CGs; all of these things do not have an enjoyable journey built into them yet and as such they feel like a monotone grind. They need work.

What I really don't like is how people that attempt to discuss this matter are more often than not being told to shut up because these forums have developed this 'lovely' get out of jail blanket term called "there is no grind" because you're playing the game wrongly, because I said so, etc, etc. And this shuts off legitimate conversation and attempts to tell people they are not allowed to voice their displeasure, their concerns or even offer constructive criticism on the subject of grind. Because the mere word itself has developed an illogicaly controversial vibe on these forums. Attempting to instantly shut off and stifle avenues of conversation and debate on this subject by throwing out subjective phrases such as "there is no grind, move along, you're doing it wrong, this isn't the game for you" is dishonest and not right in my opinion because it's not helping the game improve. It's just fostering contempt for your fellow gamer and dehumanising them simply for daring to a have a difference of opinion and/or experience.

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Still not 100% sure what grind means. If it means doing repetitive tasks for some time, there is grind in ED. Of course there is. The thing is, as long as that effort gets rewarded and is worth it.

When I am travelling 10s of thousands of lightyears, I do so because I really really want to get somewhere because of reasons. I know what grind lies ahead of me and I know what I have to do to get there. So I might be grinding hops for some time, but the reward is the destination. And I knew beforehand I'd be grinding those hops.

Where I do understand the complaints, it's when RNG rears it's ugly head. Then you're signing up for an amount of grind, destination unknown. You're putting lots of effort in a roll of a dice. And being an explorer I can smugly go: well, then don't do engineering, but the explorer's advantage is that it isn't a competitive sport.

Well said Ziggy.

 

[GodBlock]

Grind is boring, repetitive, unchallenging gameplay is it not? ED has heaps of that.

It has the option to do so, whether or not you take up that offer is on your shoulders (generally speaking, not personally you good sir o7)

 

[Jex =TE=]

Oh I agree it exists, but it is self imposed.

No it isn't. How do you self impose "boring" on yourself? LMAO

 

[Ian Skippy]

What if the reward is so good that players are willing to do something they don't want to do to get the reward?
They might really, really enjoy the reward. It might even be the reason why the play the game.

Stopping to do what is not fun would result in stoping to do what is fun for them.

It's really easy to say "don't do it if it's not fun", the downside of that easiness is that it completely misses the point.

Is it really so hard to try to understand why others complain about "grind" and maybe accept that those who complain want to play the game because it has something they really enjoy?

If I really, really, really want to gain 50lbs in a week that would be a grind. Doesnt mean eating is a grind.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

No it isn't. How do you self impose "boring" on yourself? LMAO

Because poeple do to get to their objective in the quickest possible time. It's boring and self imposed. Nobody is forced to do anything they don't want to. If you find what you are doing boring do something else.