April Alpha

ianw · Apr 1, 2014

devastat said:
It seems that you have no understanding on how a p2p network functions.

I don't either but Michael's comment here just under Commander Sam's does suggest load has a bearing on something.

Sam - I seem to find the game more stable as well, are there things going on at the back end FD or is it just lower player load causing this?

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=329324&postcount=386

Michael - The lower load is helping.

Michael

http://forums.frontier.co.uk/showpost.php?p=329359&postcount=387

KickahasTier · Apr 1, 2014

devastat said:
It seems that you have no understanding on how a p2p network functions.

Iain M Norman said:
I'm think as they are so late they should offer the chance to anyone who's pledged £100 to name a space station, a planet, write a book, go to the launch party and have dinner with David and the team.

Wish I could rep you more +1

Fromhell · Apr 1, 2014

Bobbydylan said:
the fact is the alpha isn't a demo.

it was good enough a demo to show alpha1 to the public and press, and allow people to make public videos, and there is no NDA.
So, how are the playable scenarios not a demo? Explain.

Bobbydylan said:
Why should you be allowed access?

a) it exists
b) delivery is overdue
c) Alpha backers got their little "exclusive club membership" extended to 5 months, instead of 1
d) how complicated can it be to add the offline scenario demo alpha1 to every backer account?

Dirtmuncher · Apr 1, 2014

I rather have them take their time than rushing it.

Stormprooter · Apr 1, 2014

Fromhell said:
it was good enough a demo to show alpha1 to the public and press, and allow people to make public videos, and there is no NDA.
So, how are the playable scenarios not a demo? Explain.

a) it exists
b) delivery is overdue

Well, Alpha 3.4 just dropped, so one step closer eh?

JeffRyan · Apr 1, 2014

For the record the only shiny polished Alpha was Alpha 1. Alpha's 2 and 3 have had some MAJOR problems and we're doing our best to stress test, find the issues and spend a LOT of time being annoyed, angry and frustrated. It is very nuts and bolts.

There is a plus side, but there's also a definite downside.

I completely understand Frontier NOT opening up access at this point, I'm sure they're already getting a LOT of feedback. Opening that up would snow them under, more going through the messes we throw up rather than trying to nail down what's wrong with the game and fixing it.

Luniticisi · Apr 1, 2014

Dirtmuncher said:
I rather have them take their time than rushing it.

One thing can be said, they certainly aren't rushing it ...

KickahasTier · Apr 1, 2014

JeffRyan said:
I completely understand Frontier NOT opening up access at this point, I'm sure they're already getting a LOT of feedback.

Fair enough that's just fine, the problem is the rest of us are not getting feedback. We did back the project, we should be getting more feedback. It's that time of the month again!

Bobbydylan · Apr 1, 2014

devastat said:
It seems that you have no understanding on how a p2p network functions.

I confess, I'm no wizzard. But I'm not sure what P2P network functions have to do with 44 thousand players all logging tickets that they can't get into their Alph... Beta will have on Frontier workload. But if it makes you feel better, feel free to keep missing the point

Fromhell said:
it was good enough a demo to show alpha1 to the public and press, and allow people to make public videos, and there is no NDA.
So, how are the playable scenarios not a demo? Explain.

A Demo is a trail of the final game. An alpha is a testing mechanic for an incomplete game. Feel free to educate yourself here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle

Fromhell said:
a) it exists
b) delivery is overdue

Neither are reasons you should be allowed access to test something you refused to pay for.

Luniticisi · Apr 1, 2014

Bobbydylan said:
Neither are reasons you should be allowed access to test something you refused to pay for.

Quite a lot of people Didn't Refuse to pay for it some of us just couldn't afford to go that high ... other priority's ..

devastat · Apr 1, 2014

Bobbydylan said:
I confess, I'm no wizzard. But I'm not sure what P2P network functions have to do with 44 thousand players all logging tickets that they can't get into their Alph... Beta will have on Frontier workload. But if it makes you feel better, feel free to keep missing the point

Well, I guess that I should just chip in another £100 then, and join you and the other knights who are brave enough to take part in a testing of an unfinished game..

Bobbydylan · Apr 1, 2014

Luniticisi said:
Quite a lot of people Didn't Refuse to pay for it some of us just couldn't afford to go that high ... other priority's ..

I know, I wasn't making a sweeping statement. Fromhell said he refused to pay to test commercial products. Which I understand, but he's saying he want's to test the alpha.

Dr Wookie · Apr 1, 2014

Fromhell said:
it was good enough a demo to show alpha1 to the public and press, and allow people to make public videos, and there is no NDA.
So, how are the playable scenarios not a demo? Explain.

a) it exists
b) delivery is overdue
c) Alpha backers got their little "exclusive club membership" extended to 5 months, instead of 1
d) how complicated can it be to add the offline scenario demo alpha1 to every backer account?

Alpha 1 is log gone... the single player scenarios are updated along with the multiplayer stuff.

I for one would be totally fine with the single player stuff being distributed to the backers, but I'm not sure how practical it would be... FD would probably need to make a new client that only accesses those scenarios and I have literally no idea if that would be easy or not

!

Have you heard the latest interview with DB? At the end, they talk about an impending announcement for beta backers, so it looks like they have a timetable in mind

Amorelia · Apr 1, 2014

Stu2 said:
Any GUESSIMATE they make would be held against them like a white hot branding iron. Just look how the "estimated delivery date" from Kickstarter has been (almost) daily thrown in their face,

IMO the reason they get a hot poker up the rear-end about KS schedule is because of their persistent failure to be open and honest about a schedule. After all, they are arguably in breach of the spirit of KS terms.

It's great that some enthusiasts are willing to share with everyone in this forum the current state of Alpha on a regular basis. It's also entirely understandable that delays happen due to unforeseen circumstances.

But for FD to completely ignore so many of the paying customer-base, many of whom have had the goodwill to fork out more than 3x the normal price of a retail product, is inexcusable.

Stoo · Apr 1, 2014

Fromhell said:
I think it is perfectly fine that alpha lasts 5 times longer than what people paid for, and everyone else gets nothing, not even a spinning ship although the delivery date has passed months ago.
Really, nothing wrong with it.
Do it the right way, the Frontier way

Constructive as always....

Bobbydylan · Apr 1, 2014

Amorelia said:
IMO the reason they get a hot poker up the rear-end about KS schedule is because of their persistent failure to be open and honest about a schedule. After all, they are arguably in breach of the spirit of KS terms.

I just went to Kickstater to look at all the games I've backed. There are 32 projects I've backed that are games. Only one has met it's estimated delivery date that that's cost he game was basically done before it went to kickstarter.

kilvenny · Apr 1, 2014

I have no issues with the delays, it needs what it needs and there is no point adding more players until its stable for the reasons others have stated.

My issue is that my decision to go Premium Beta not Alpha was based on the information at the time that Alpha would be 1 month. Had I known then that actually it would be six months or more then probably I would have made a different decision. I also bought a new rig in preparation for Premium Beta which again could have been deferred.

I gambled and lost. Happens every day I guess but pretty frustrating.

Amorelia · Apr 1, 2014

LOL if we were still waiting for Alpha 1, I wonder how many of those backers would still be thumbing noses at lowly beta-backers. How many of you would honestly be saying "hey, FD, take your sweet time and don't bother updating any release schedule that you used to get us to buy into this project because we all know those are just bogus anyway"?

No, if FD were still neither releasing Alpha nor updating project schedules , hypocrites would be bleating even louder than Beta-backers who have been very patient with FD.

And to anyone who's saying not to release Beta too early, there's a difference between asking for something early and asking for a reasonable update on status. If I'm in a restaurant waiting for food, I don't want it undercooked. But that's very different to wanting a reasonable idea of the cook's expectation of when I could expect it.

Luniticisi · Apr 1, 2014

Amorelia said:
LOL if we were still waiting for Alpha 1, I wonder how many of those backers would still be thumbing noses at lowly beta-backers. How many of you would honestly be saying "hey, FD, take your sweet time and don't bother updating any release schedule that you used to get us to buy into this project because we all know those are just bogus anyway"?

No, if FD were still neither releasing Alpha nor updating project schedules , hypocrites would be bleating even louder than Beta-backers who have been very patient with FD.

And to anyone who's saying not to release Beta too early, there's a difference between asking for something early and asking for a reasonable update on status. If I'm in a restaurant waiting for food, I don't want it undercooked. But that's very different to wanting a reasonable idea of the cook's expectation of when I could expect it.

+1 rep for you

Stoo · Apr 1, 2014

Amorelia said:
LOL if we were still waiting for Alpha 1, I wonder how many of those backers would still be thumbing noses at lowly beta-backers. How many of you would honestly be saying "hey, FD, take your sweet time and don't bother updating any release schedule that you used to get us to buy into this project because we all know those are just bogus anyway"?

No, if FD were still neither releasing Alpha nor updating project schedules , hypocrites would be bleating even louder than Beta-backers who have been very patient with FD.

And to anyone who's saying not to release Beta too early, there's a difference between asking for something early and asking for a reasonable update on status. If I'm in a restaurant waiting for food, I don't want it undercooked. But that's very different to wanting a reasonable idea of the cook's expectation of when I could expect it.

Maybe you should email FD with your comments, just to make sure they know you're not happy of course.