But the meta FDL will not be the main victim, it will just go 4-0-2 and last a little longer. The fast Couriers and Vipers, for example, can't. There are plenty off sensible suggestions for dealing with existing balancing problems, with the shield meta and permaboosting and what not. People have been talking about it for ages, there's a dedicated discord server for discusing and proposing balancing issues. This 'solution' just isn't sensible. It's like killing the weeds with napalm - yes, it eliminates the problem, and everything else along with it. Fun dogfighting is as good as dead.
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Ozric
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Well I stand corrected, said the man in the orthopedic shoes. Thanks I obviously just misheard Adam, and assumed it would apply to all ships.
I have seen a 7 years old kid dock and undock on his first try. Where do you get the ideas for these "new player helping" features?
Maybe you should implement a quick survey in the uninstaller. Could look something like this:
Maybe you should implement a quick survey in the uninstaller. Could look something like this:
Why do you want to uninstall Elite: Dangerous?
1. I had no idea what i'm supposed to do and a game didn't even try to explain the game mechanics in an entertaining way
2. I knew what to do but i got bored doing the same thing over and over again for insignificant rewards
3. I wanted to play with my friend but the game mechanics are so broken that it was actually better to play alone
4. It was really, really hard for me to take off and fly outside of a station
5. Other (write your own) *insert text-box here*WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Hull Tanks died with the Engineers update. When all the DMG and Defensive modules got powercreep. And internal modules/MRP's were untouched. Spash DMG from missiles and pen rails can take out a hull tank now in record time.
You can spam Silent running for only so long. And even then night vision killed that ontop of emissive special effect.
Silent running/stealth needs a rework. MRP's or Internals need a buff.
You're right here the new Drag changes will make it much harder on hull tanking.
I dont think the Drag change is necessarily a bad change. But they really should have made tons of other defensive changes before they implemented it.
The change itself is not bad, but it shouldnt have been done alone.
Ozric
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There have been "balancing" changes going on for years in this game. Every update that has been released, certainly since 2.0, has had updates to ships, modules and weapons and the reasons for these updates has always been because of PvP.
The one issue that is always seemingly overlooked, in all games that feature PvP and PvE not just Elite, is that the endless need for "balancing" demanded by PvPers affect everybody. If you have a game that is PvP focused with PvE elements, then that is fine, but when the game is PvE focused with PvP elements, it's more of an issue.
100% agreed!
All my piracy builds are based on speed and evasion, I need to run all the time from cops, from gankers, from wing mates of traders... speed is my first and best (if not the only one) defense I have. My ships have been built and engineered around that... if the permaboost is seen as an issue at FDEV, this requires another kind of assessment... may be at pips / heat / cool down level. With such change, the game will see much less diversity in ship builds, as going for tanking will be now the only thing to do.
Thank you for having ended up my career of a role play PvP pirate in open.
At this point, given they're f*ing up the game, It will not be a surprise if they put reverb cascade on seekers and cannons...
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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Its a PVP game with PVE element.No different than League of Legends or Tarkov. Im not really gonna dig deep here on this subject. But when a game like this is built. All balancing changes reflect on the multiplayer part of the game. There is no single player storyline. They had to make make PG's bigger because they didnt see something like mobius coming along.
And for the most part this game was supposed to be played out in open around many other people.
Regardless of how the modes were introduced. The game they built is and always will be balanced around player interaction.
Thats just how it is. It cant be changed.
Thats why certain modules work with thargoids and others dont.
As I've already stated and explained, ECM point defense and screening shell won't save you in this scenario. They're all laughably under-powered as countermeasures al ready, but if you get hit once by drag with this change you're screwed.
This will not simply "nerf the meta FDL" - it's going to have a massive impact on all medium ships and smaller. The FDL is probably going to come out of this better actually, since it is one of the tankier mediums out there.
"Just leave the fight" is dumb reasoning to excuse broken mechanics. Yes I can always run away from people - although this particular implementation of drag munitions will make ganking a lot easier - but that's not the point. I want to do PvP, and I want it to be balanced.
No, it's a PvE game with optional PvP element. Always has been, hence Solo / Private Groups.
Player-on-player combat was speculated in the KS as being a rare event, and combat is only one of a multitude of activities a player can engage with in the game - e.g. exploration, trading, mining...
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WorldsGreatestForumDad
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To be fair the handshake PVP we have is not the PVP were supposed to be having. RIght? We are all aware of this? I think?
We're supposed to be intercepting, fighting in conflict zones and so on. Not something like San tu.
Sooner or later they are going to make us play the PVP game they want us to play. And not the 1v1 stay for 10 mins because we want to be there fights we have been having the past few years.
Its not to say our style of PVP will just vanish. But I do think they should have made a handful of changes and not just 1 change like this. Multiple changes for multiple modules should have been looked at. I dont think the drag change was bad. But other things needed to be changed to compensate.
How about them boosting Cutters though. At least we might be able to catch them a bit easier now. Cause those ships are flat out way to strong in speed and defenses.
Ozric
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Sorry what is the point of this reply? I did not mention single or multiplayer at all. Whatever your issues with the modes in this game might be, don't try and bring them into this conversation. I spend all my time when I'm not exploring in Open, but the design of the game is focused and centered around PvE gameplay, not PvP, so my assessment stands.
If they limited this to dumbfires it would be legit imo - those things are hard enough to hit with as it is. I disagree with the cannons though, they're even easier to hit with than PAs and have a high fire rate.
WorldsGreatestForumDad
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I dont really think you understand and thats ok. Asses all you like. You're still wrong about it lol.
Ozric
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Ah the perfect response of someone with no answer.