Patch Notes Update April Update - Patch Notes
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See that "delighted"? It didn't say that originally, it said something strongly the opposite (ticked-off but worse). But someone EDITED MY POST to make it say just the opposite! Was I hacked, or are moderators going around editing posts and changing the actual meaning of what we write?!?!
I wonder what other words of mine have been edited behind the scenes...
ps - my original word was replaced with ****-off, which is proper, acceptable bad-word censorship (though we don't consider that particular phrase swearing in the US). Much later it was changed to "delighted", the very opposite in meaning..
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oh-oh! 378 ms/s isn't going to cut it ... i'll have to watch out!
no this can't be right. not even in e:d. let's wait and see.
Right on the money! May I present an except from inson's "Because I Could Not Stop For Death"...
Because I could not stop for Death —
He kindly stopped for me —
The Carriage held but just Ourselves —
And Immortality.
We slowly drove — He knew no haste
And I had put away
My labor and my leisure too,
For His Civility —
brilliant!
but...
I would really like to see a fix for that mapping scanner bug where a planet shows the full blue even before you map it.
but...
I would really like to see a fix for that mapping scanner bug where a planet shows the full blue even before you map it.
For a ship like the Diamondback Explorer this update will breed new life into it, took mine out this past days cant wait for tomorrow to make use of the 2 slots for extra gear.
- Fixed some cases where planets can appear to be fully scanned when they haven't been
I hope your joking. If I know you well enough, your joking.
But still, your scaring me.
DDastardly00
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Like Charles ens, Emily enson was so clearly ahead of her time that Nostradamus has nothing on her.
If we look at the last stanza of this poem, it's prophetic
"Since then – ‘tis Centuries – and yet
Feels shorter than the Day
I first surmised the Horses’ Heads
Were toward Eternity – "
Clearly the first line and second line of this stanza could be about the development length/time for the 2020 update while the 3rd and fourth lines may be an veiled reference to the horse head nebula pointing the way into heaven for those poor ganked/drag munition'd ships that are about to get destroyed.
I wish I were. Enough people saw the original, unedited post to back up my claim. And knowing me well enough you'll know I'd never be "delighted" with a "paltry list of bug fixes" unless that list contained one very specific bug fix (which it does not). Now watch, I'll get banned for warning people that my post was edited to change the original meaning. If I disappear, you'll know why!
I'm being played.
What does that even mean? Drag applies both in fa off and fa on. No difference. While you can still drift in fa off, your speed is reduced making quick vector changes impossible as long as you eat shots with drag ammo effect.
Please, learn how to fly in combat before making wrong assumptions.
https://s.orbis.zone/2v0r meta after tuesday tbh
Great, so now pvp is 2 ships sitting basically still with pip 4-0-2 trading damage until someone explodes. Sounds so fun.
Boost is evil anyway (except on small fighters). I like this!
Most of us are acutely aware of the limitations of frags and many of us still remember combat before Engineering. The arguments about potential counters and tactics to use in a post-drag-buff game are neither here nor there.
Every player who anticipates their CMDR ever standing their ground against another can just ask themselves one question: Will my CMDR(s) not having drag munitions of their own put them at a disadvantage?
Not as boost dependent (though boost certainly mattered), perhaps more pip dependent, with more active non-boost maneuvering, and much shorter average engagement range (due to both lower speeds and no LR/focused weapons).
I significantly prefered the old dynamics (especially the 1.4 and earlier combat), to be frank, and I understand how some people could misinterpret the drag changes as a step back in this direction.
However, there is an enormous caveat. Everyone will need to run drag munitions, because if you can't boost, but your opponents can, you are at a major disadvantage...one that is potentially unassailable in a wing fight, or against an individual that is already approaching parity in skill otherwise.
Yes, there will be disadvantages to having to mount a drag frag and/or seeker. It will require changes to otherwise extremely effective loadouts. However, it's perfectly possible for most ships to effectively cram the majority of their DPS into their few largest hardpoints and reserve the rest for useful effects. Drag, if it becomes a five-second boost kill with no cooldown, will almost certainly be vaulted to the top of the 'must have' effects lists for most CMDRs who ever expect to fight another. Many people already ran it, because it was already useful and I strongly suspect it will become virtually omnipresent soon after the patch.
That's the real test of wether a tool/effect is overpowered or not...how many people are and are not using it.
Complaints about this have nothing to do with lack of creativity. Everyone will learn effective ways to fight under whatever new system that develops in very short order.
The problem will be one effect becoming essentially mandatory.
If I don't put drag frags and/or seekers on all of my ships, I'll be at a significant disadvantage fighting those that have. I'm fairly confident I have the experience and skill set to adjust to a near-boostless combat dynamic more easily than most, but I'm still going to be annoyed at having everything built around drag.
Comparisons with the early thermal shock effects aren't far off. Contrary to conventional wisdom, there were counters, and ships could survive and continue to fight even when being blasted with a score of thermal shock retributors (provided you didn't mistime those heatsinks)...I know, I flew one. It was still silly because you had to build a ship around thermal shock to be competitive. It was omnidimensional and this is bad.
Ultimately, setting any one ship, weapon, or effect so far above others will hamper variety an creativity, not encourage it.
Yeah, it makes almost as much sense as a singular piece of glitter impacting your shields being able to interfere with thrusters in the first place.
Drag never killed engines and already had a modest effect on boost's rotational advantages.
Everyone having to take drag munitions is exactly the problem here.
Every player who anticipates their CMDR ever standing their ground against another can just ask themselves one question: Will my CMDR(s) not having drag munitions of their own put them at a disadvantage?
Not as boost dependent (though boost certainly mattered), perhaps more pip dependent, with more active non-boost maneuvering, and much shorter average engagement range (due to both lower speeds and no LR/focused weapons).
I significantly prefered the old dynamics (especially the 1.4 and earlier combat), to be frank, and I understand how some people could misinterpret the drag changes as a step back in this direction.
However, there is an enormous caveat. Everyone will need to run drag munitions, because if you can't boost, but your opponents can, you are at a major disadvantage...one that is potentially unassailable in a wing fight, or against an individual that is already approaching parity in skill otherwise.
Yes, there will be disadvantages to having to mount a drag frag and/or seeker. It will require changes to otherwise extremely effective loadouts. However, it's perfectly possible for most ships to effectively cram the majority of their DPS into their few largest hardpoints and reserve the rest for useful effects. Drag, if it becomes a five-second boost kill with no cooldown, will almost certainly be vaulted to the top of the 'must have' effects lists for most CMDRs who ever expect to fight another. Many people already ran it, because it was already useful and I strongly suspect it will become virtually omnipresent soon after the patch.
That's the real test of wether a tool/effect is overpowered or not...how many people are and are not using it.
Complaints about this have nothing to do with lack of creativity. Everyone will learn effective ways to fight under whatever new system that develops in very short order.
The problem will be one effect becoming essentially mandatory.
If I don't put drag frags and/or seekers on all of my ships, I'll be at a significant disadvantage fighting those that have. I'm fairly confident I have the experience and skill set to adjust to a near-boostless combat dynamic more easily than most, but I'm still going to be annoyed at having everything built around drag.
Comparisons with the early thermal shock effects aren't far off. Contrary to conventional wisdom, there were counters, and ships could survive and continue to fight even when being blasted with a score of thermal shock retributors (provided you didn't mistime those heatsinks)...I know, I flew one. It was still silly because you had to build a ship around thermal shock to be competitive. It was omnidimensional and this is bad.
Ultimately, setting any one ship, weapon, or effect so far above others will hamper variety an creativity, not encourage it.
Yeah, it makes almost as much sense as a singular piece of glitter impacting your shields being able to interfere with thrusters in the first place.
Drag never killed engines and already had a modest effect on boost's rotational advantages.
Everyone having to take drag munitions is exactly the problem here.
Change to drag drives seems like a little much IMO.
I just want to add my voice to the chorus saying that the Drag Munitions change is a terrible idea.
It will be horrible for competitive PVP since everyone in a wing fight will immediately be slowed down and operating at 0 Pips to ENG with no boost, worse for ganking and seal-clubbing because the victim will be totally helpless and unable to get away.
And it will also trivialize PVE. All you need to do is lumber into a conflict zone with a couple Turreted G1 Turreted Frag Cannons and nothing would be able to run away or maneuver outside your firing arcs. It would completely trivialize even the most difficult PVE encounter.
It will be horrible for competitive PVP since everyone in a wing fight will immediately be slowed down and operating at 0 Pips to ENG with no boost, worse for ganking and seal-clubbing because the victim will be totally helpless and unable to get away.
And it will also trivialize PVE. All you need to do is lumber into a conflict zone with a couple Turreted G1 Turreted Frag Cannons and nothing would be able to run away or maneuver outside your firing arcs. It would completely trivialize even the most difficult PVE encounter.