ARX store inflation

Ozric

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however the way in which i buy the game will definitely be reflected if i do not support the companies monetizing. ...... it will be the difference from me buying day 1 from an official source like steam (or in the case of Elite direct from FD themselves) vs buying many months later from a grey key company like cdkeys or what ever in a deep discount sale - still legal but not likely to generate as much income for FD..
The developer doesn't get any money if you buy through a grey market site, the only people who do are the site and the scammers who get the keys. There's a very interesting video made by an independent dev after he found his game on a key site. Worth seeking out but probably a bit OT for here.
 
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Also Elite isnt FDs only game. Now i am not one to cut off my nose to spite my face, so i am not going to say i will boycott other games by FD if i do not like their monetization strategy, if they build it (and i like it) I will come!
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I mentioned this already but I will repeat it here as it seems relevant. Compare what £9.49 in Arxes ( 17700 ) can get you compared to the DLCs for FDEV other games - PZ for example £7.99 gets an animal pack which includes several animals and at least one campaign scenario plus scenery items in some. In PC the same £7.99 gives you rides and coasters, some plus campaign scenario and scenery pieces.

So I really do think that there is a huge disconnect here and it does smell of just plain ignorance on the part of this ED store rework, the glaring inconsistencies really show this up, SRV midnight black costing 10,000 for example and the weird inclusion / exclusion of some paint variants across the various ships.
 
The developer doesn't get any money if you buy through a grey market site, the only people who do are the site and the scammers who get the keys. There's a very interesting video made by an independent dev after he found his game on a key site. Worth seeking out but probably a bit OT for here.
AFAIK CDKeys are one of the better ones, unlike kinguin or G2A and the like all CDKeys keys are legit, its just they are from often different markets and such like.

again, i would not use them for a company who i wanted to support their product, however they are legal, so if it were a company I felt were injecting their paid games with too many loot boxes which were spoiling their game or bait and switched their game (and i am not saying i am putting FD in this category) but any company i feel are doing this then i will CDKeys it all the way and not feel guilty doing so.
for me FD have not quite crossed my own personal line yet............ but, there is no point me lying........ the price increases which has totally devalued the arx on my account has cheesed me off somewhat. IF FD wanted to increase prices, imo they should have increased the cost of the arx, NOT devalued the arx that players had already got on their account (via purchase or in game earning).
 
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PERSONALLY. I have no problem going to someone like CDKeys for big budget games from producers like EA, Ubisoft, or Sony. For indie developers - and I'll include Frontier in this - I go direct to them if possible.

Which reminds me... WHY HAS FRONTIER STOPPED DOING SALES ON THEIR OWN SITE?!?! The game is constantly getting discounted on Steam, but hasn't happened on the official Frontier shop in a couple of years now. (Would love to pick up one or two more alt accounts, but haaaate Steam)
 

Ozric

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AFAIK CDKeys are one of the better ones, unlike kinguin or G2A and the like all CDKeys keys are legit, its just they are from often different markets and such like.
Well not wanting to get into a discussion on how dark a shade of Grey they are :) but anyone who says they use their "extensive network of contacts" to obtain keys doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

I understand you're point of view and to be clear I don't judge anyone where they buy stuff from, but I do feel the need to explain and put things in perspective for those who might not realise.

Which reminds me... WHY HAS FRONTIER STOPPED DOING SALES ON THEIR OWN SITE?!?! The game is constantly getting discounted on Steam, but hasn't happened on the official Frontier shop in a couple of years now. (Would love to pick up one or two more alt accounts, but haaaate Steam)
Something I always push for is sales on their store and I've never understood why there aren't more. Or sell keys for the non steam version through Green Man Gaming.
Both my accounts are from the store.
 
No offense, but I think they don't give a dime on you as a customer.
I'll repeat it, although it might have been the reason why my last post about that was removed: it looks like they are not interested in the old and loyal players anymore, but want to generate more income from newer and younger players, where the attention span is usually shorter. Of course this means a different market strategy, and all the changes I've seen are better suited for this IMHO. Yes, this includes the higher prices.
All the "I'll quit, I won't give you anymore money" statements by the older player base will consequentially not change anything at all, then. Only reduced income will, but this seems not to be the case, so they "won". They can't realize loosing by being greedy if that never happened. And since them "winning" means a continued hosting of the game, those of us discouraged enough to already be happy with servers not been shut down for good kind of "won" as well.
The thing is that old players have too many arxs accumulated during the game, and these arxs do not generate income.
 
The thing is that old players have too many arxs accumulated during the game, and these arxs do not generate income.
Indeed, and that's why I think FDev's strategy is a good one. They milk away the accumulated ARX with things like higher prices and early access new ships, counting on FOMO in people. All the while they build up offerings for new players with the pre-built options, not upsetting the core player-base too much with too obvious P2W. Very well done. I bet there is much more to come.
 
Indeed, and that's why I think FDev's strategy is a good one. They milk away the accumulated ARX with things like higher prices and early access new ships, counting on FOMO in people. All the while they build up offerings for new players with the pre-built options, not upsetting the core player-base too much with too obvious P2W. Very well done. I bet there is much more to come.
To lure arcs from older players you need to release a really special ship.
If it's special, it'll upset the balance.
If you take the shield, Python is not better than FDL, if you take the hull, Python is worse than KraitMk2.
 
To lure arcs from older players you need to release a really special ship.
If it's special, it'll upset the balance.
If you take the shield, Python is not better than FDL, if you take the hull, Python is worse than KraitMk2.
After so many years without new ships, any will do. Besides, P2 is a special ship (SCO stabilized) that also did not upset the balance.
 
After so many years without new ships, any will do. Besides, P2 is a special ship (SCO stabilized) that also did not upset the balance.
I'm sorry, but I've never understood those words. You fly heavy corbals T10, Cutter in SCO on joystick ?
Yeah I've seen streams of people acting kinda weird on medium ships in SCO, I think they use keyboard and mouse.
 
IMO, the Python mk2 is a great little fighter and really fun to fly.. I don't really care if it's superior or worse than a standard python or Krait mk2...
And FDL is a fine ship too, I even have one FDL and I only use it for one purpose, to bomb Titan, otherwise I have no interest in this ship.
 
a very interesting video made by an independent dev after he found his game on a key site

FAIK CDKeys are one of the better ones, unlike kinguin or G2A and the like all CDKeys keys are legit, its just they are from often different markets and such like.

Well not wanting to get into a discussion on how dark a shade of Grey they are :) but anyone who says they use their "extensive network of contacts" to obtain keys doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

No "Grey" site is better.

@Ozric - i think i found the video from the Swedish dev, thank you for bringing this into attention - i found the video really enlightening and the ending quite heartbreaking:
"If you want to play my game, and you don't want to or cannot support me directly, just pirate it, don't support these absolute scam artists"

I'm not judging anyone buying from "grey" sites, but the fact is - they're all just a scam, worse than piracy IMO.

Sorry for OT - but it seems to me that the vast majority have no idea what's behind the grey sites that sell keys, how they work and who gets the money (nope, not the Devs)
 
Sorry for OT - but it seems to me that the vast majority have no idea what's behind the grey sites that sell keys, how they work and who gets the money (nope, not the Devs)
unless CDKeys have been guilty of selling stolen keys then this is not true....
At least this is what they claim

They purchase their keys from authorized vendors, who’ve purchased the wares directly from the publisher.

this is unlike G2A , kinguin and such like who are essentially like ebay and will sell any key be it stolen or what ever.

I know it is OT for here but imo it is wrong to call a site a scam and worse than piracy, when some do operate differently than others.

many software houses dont like it because they exploit regional pricing, much like some people use a VPN to pretend they are in a different country to buy stuff cheaper.
 
I'm sorry, but I've never understood those words. You fly heavy corbals T10, Cutter in SCO on joystick ?
Yeah I've seen streams of people acting kinda weird on medium ships in SCO, I think they use keyboard and mouse.
P2 is not only promoted as SCO stabilized, it is also reported from many players to be so. Whether or not it is a huge problem for people to fly any other ship in SCO with a joystick (it sure isn't to me) wasn't the point. The point is that it is a special ship with a special feature, that's what FDev (and other players) is saying. So there you have a special ship not upsetting the balance.
 
P2 is not only promoted as SCO stabilized, it is also reported from many players to be so. Whether or not it is a huge problem for people to fly any other ship in SCO with a joystick (it sure isn't to me) wasn't the point. The point is that it is a special ship with a special feature, that's what FDev (and other players) is saying. So there you have a special ship not upsetting the balance.
Jumping out of an older ship into a Python Mk.II and using SCO is like night and day. I can fly an older ship and correct for SCO wobble without much effort, but the Python doesn't even twitch, no correction needed at all.
 
unless CDKeys have been guilty of selling stolen keys then this is not true....
At least this is what they claim

They purchase their keys from authorized vendors, who’ve purchased the wares directly from the publisher.

this is unlike G2A , kinguin and such like who are essentially like ebay and will sell any key be it stolen or what ever.

I know it is OT for here but imo it is wrong to call a site a scam and worse than piracy, when some do operate differently than others.

many software houses dont like it because they exploit regional pricing, much like some people use a VPN to pretend they are in a different country to buy stuff cheaper.
They don't need to be stolen. These sites operate in the grey area of unauthorised copies and like to paint themselves a shiny white shirt. "Authorised vendors", right. If you use fraudulently acquired credit card credentials on "authorised sellers" does this make a copy acquired legit? Why would a publisher authorise the number of duped copies that circulate these markets? They don't earn anything with it, nor do the devs. They just lost control over their product and sales channel.
 
Jumping out of an older ship into a Python Mk.II and using SCO is like night and day. I can fly an older ship and correct for SCO wobble without much effort, but the Python doesn't even twitch, no correction needed at all.
this is interesting, I didnt realise they handled better.... i thought they just came with a higher grade of SCO, which was now available for all ships but hadnt been before.

Still not gonna buy one with cash, i will wait till August but it defintely means these ships have a very real improvement to them over what is currently available in game.
 
I know it is OT for here but imo it is wrong to call a site a scam and worse than piracy, when some do operate differently than others.

I didnt "call a site a scam" - i called all grey sites scams in a very generic way.

If the GameDev/Publisher does not list a platform as their partner (as in an official announcement like my game is on steam/epic/gog/whatever) then is not an official distribution channel and there is no guarantee the dev/publisher gets their money.

For example, so we're not completely off-topic, IF Fdev is telling me they are selling ED on Steam, Epic and on their own store, I will get ED only from those 3 stores.
I will not get it from CDKeys, G2A or Kingpin or whatever, simply because i have no guarantee FDev gets their money and i do care where my money goes.
But maybe it's a "me" issue and i'm just weird 🤷‍♂️
 
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