AU Bombing or FD running a protection racket

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BillyS

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Can you please tell me if
1. AU Bombing a station has any effect?
2. are you trying to nerf any player/faction ability to effect the BGS?
3. how would player factions actually attack one another apart from direct meeting in open between faction members?

I consider one of the major reasons I play in this game is the ability to become involved and participate and actively have an ability to influence local BGS along with a number of other players acting in concert. Are you FD actively preventing this from occurring? Are you FD actively protecting 1 or 2 actual player factions due to their visible impact upon wider game community? If not whay was recent Au bombing carried out by a number of players only resulted in warnings that stations were close to lock down without further impact despite hundreds of sensors being droppped?
 

Arry

Arry
The way I see it is this.

If in real life, someone found a product and this product was found to be toxic and they used it to poison a system; such as a market place. Then those running said market places, would get wise and if they could not ban, said product; then they would close the market place, where the toxic product was being introduced.

Just a thought, if what you are suggesting is indeed true.
 

FrogsFriend

FrogsFriend
Just to check that I'm understanding you...
You 'UA-Bombed' another group's station(s) but didn't manage to close them down?

Either, you didn't deliver enough or they managed to prevent it by delivering Meta Alloys to the station, at the same time or at some time previously (I understand it's possible to 'inoculate' a station by delivering enough MAs before any bombing occurs).
 

BillyS

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I accept certain steps can be taken to protect stations, as there should be some defence to what I am saying, it is my concern that despite hundreds of these items being delivered and the apparent ratios needed to defend I am unsure that this would have been the case, not outwith the realms of possibilities, not likely that the faction could have protected the exact stations that were targeted, by a group. All of whom delivered significant numbers to a few of the factions stations. There is therefor a wee bit of a hint of FD protectionism possibly being provided for a particular faction. Whilst no actual proof can be provided only FDev would have such and they would be unlikely to come clean in the event, that they had been doing so. Unless of course the whole AU thing has been nerfed to death.
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
BillyS said:
Unless of course the whole AU thing has been nerfed to death.
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I think it should be. That would only make sense.
Any black market should by now realize what that stuff does to the station they are in.
Nobody in their right mind would even consider buying it.
And station management would of course put anyone to death involved with willfully endangering thousands of lives bringing that stuff into the station.
 
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Schlack

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Meta alloy effectiveness was increased last year.

Fd have better things to do than protect playergoups. Hell they dont even protect cgs.
 

Jane Turner

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Jane Turner
At a rough guess we've been UA bombed 6 times. Our main station has been out of action for more than 2 years. As a rule we welcome it - it makes our systems a great deal harder to mess with.
 

xzanfr

xzanfr
Iskariot said:
I think it should be. That would only make sense.
Any black market should by now realize what that stuff does to the station they are in.
Nobody in their right mind would even consider buying it.
And station management would of course put anyone to death involved with willfully endangering thousands of lives bringing that stuff into the station.
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Totally agree.
I get my ship destroyed for loitering - bringing in something like this (now that the effects have been known for a year +) should have a similar effect.
It's time FD dropped this clanky mechanic and moved on to something else that is a bit more interesting for both aggressor & defender.
 

Starwolfe

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There is many reasons - UA bombing is definitely a major one - as to why I picked a Corporation. Closed Black Markets don't hurt a faction.
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
xzanfr said:
Totally agree.
I get my ship destroyed for loitering - bringing in something like this (now that the effects have been known for a year +) should have a similar effect.
It's time FD dropped this clanky mechanic and moved on to something else that is a bit more interesting for both aggressor & defender.
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That would be cool.

UA could be delivered to special protected scientific stations for good money, or perhaps secretive military research installations, the location of which only is revealed to you when you have a certain rank in the military and are allied to the local rulers.
 

Ryan Murdoc

Ryan Murdoc
Starwolfe said:
There is many reasons - UA bombing is definitely a major one - as to why I picked a Corporation. Closed Black Markets don't hurt a faction.
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In the beginning of our Wing we were a Democracy (Independent) when the 1.4 update happened. Due to our Traders wanting to haul Imperial Slaves we had it changed to Dictatorship (Independent) ​when 1.5 came around.

Who would've known that this small change would be so helpful in the long run :D
 

MottiKhan

MottiKhan
It's almost trivially easy to prevent and reverse UA bombing for those of us who have had it done to us over and over. We just keep a flow of MAs coming into our stations to make them resistant to UAs.

It's easy to detect when UAs have been used against you if you check for MA demand at a station. If you can only see the demand when you're carrying MAs, it's worth noting, but nothing to be immediately concerned about. If you see MA demand without any in your holds, you're closer to being affected. You don't need to wait until it shows up on Galnet.

Perhaps the group you're trying to bomb has some experience with UAs/MAs.
 

xondk

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BillyS said:
Can you please tell me if
1. AU Bombing a station has any effect?
2. are you trying to nerf any player/faction ability to effect the BGS?
3. how would player factions actually attack one another apart from direct meeting in open between faction members?

I consider one of the major reasons I play in this game is the ability to become involved and participate and actively have an ability to influence local BGS along with a number of other players acting in concert. Are you FD actively preventing this from occurring? Are you FD actively protecting 1 or 2 actual player factions due to their visible impact upon wider game community? If not whay was recent Au bombing carried out by a number of players only resulted in warnings that stations were close to lock down without further impact despite hundreds of sensors being droppped?
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1: UA bombing works just fine, it is UA not AU.
2: nope, it seems pretty obvious, though yes it is a presumption, that you are referring to the recent event that was going on where people UA bombing dove enigma?, and FD stepped in. For fairly obvious reasons, because a limited amount of players, those UA bombing were able to significantly negatively affect the event for NO other reason then spite, yeah basically harassing people for no real reason? so yeah FD stepped in, but that's what they did.
3: Use the background simulation? but this is generally where people say "But I don't want to", so people use UA bombing which is significantly easier and less work then working the background simulation and game mechanics built for these kinds of actions.

So yeah, please don't act like the victim when it comes to UA bombing, it is compared to the real attack mechanics in the game, the easy way out and a way that can easily disrupt other players who put in a heck of a lot work then those UA bombing.
 
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MottiKhan

MottiKhan
xondk said:
1: UA bombing works just fine, it is UA not AU.
2: nope, it seems pretty obvious, though yes it is a presumption, that you are referring to the recent event that was going on where people UA bombing dove enigma?, and FD stepped in. For fairly obvious reasons, because a limited amount of players, those UA bombing were able to significantly negatively affect the event for NO other reason then spite, yeah basically harassing people for no real reason? so yeah FD stepped in, but that's what they did.
3: Use the background simulation? but this is generally where people say "But I don't want to", so people use UA bombing which is significantly easier and less work then working the background simulation and game mechanics built for these kinds of actions.

So yeah, please don't act like the victim when it comes to UA bombing, it is compared to the real attack mechanics in the game, the easy way out and a way that can easily disrupt other players who put in a heck of a lot work then those UA bombing.
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Actually, FD would have stepped in had they needed to. The UA bomber used an exploit to bomb the ship.

But there were hundreds of us grabbing MAs and heading to Colonia and FD saw that it wasn't necessary to intervene. Some of us have billions of credits, so we bought the MAs at Darnielle's. There was also a conveyor belt of CMDRs gathering MAs from the barnacles and other CMDRs ferrying them to the ship.

Engineered FSDs and the neutron highway makes the galaxy a tad smaller.
 
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xondk

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MottiKhan said:
Actually, FD would have stepped in had they needed to. The UA bomber used an exploit to bomb the ship.

But there were hundreds of us grabbing MAs and heading to Colonia and FD saw that it wasn't necessary to intervene. Some of us have billions of credits, so we bought the MAs at Darnielle's. There was also a conveyor belt of CMDRs gathering MAs from the barnacles and other CMDRs ferrying them to the ship.

Engineered FSDs and the neutron highway makes the galaxy a tad smaller.
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If it was players that did it, very cool.
Just plenty of complainers on various places that claim it was FD, so yeah.
Either or UA bombing is still an easy tool compared to general BGS.
 

CMDR pollycough

CMDR pollycough
xondk said:
If it was players that did it, very cool.
Just plenty of complainers on various places that claim it was FD, so yeah.
Either or UA bombing is still an easy tool compared to general BGS.
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It was definitely players, Hundreds of them.

Just found this!

"For anyone interested in hearing Ed Lewis' take on the Dove Enigma "incident" he gives a very detailed account of how events played out at Frontier Towers in his Lave Radio interview earlier this week.

http://laveradio.com/lave-radio-episode-185/
00:31:50"
 
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Factabulous

Factabulous
As one of the (many) CMDRs who made the run to Colonia for the Dove I can confirm that it wasn't just FD flipping levers - we did actually go. Interesting how lazy groups will attribute lazy solutions to problems as they cannot conceive another solution.

But then again, maybe you really are talking about Gold-bombing stations. In which case : please carry on [up]
 
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