Autocannons as a replacement for Class 3-4 multicannons

[Beardless]

He is still allowed by some form of law/government to carry those arms in that country.

You should be able to buy all sorts from black market, including re-purposed/modified weapons but it should NOT be legal. but would add content/realism/progression. don't want any of that rubbish do we?

Buy hey go buy whatever you want without restriction. I would prefer to earn and be proud to carry a pair of class 4 cannons.

 

[Star-Hunter]

My point exactly!

My apologies I thought that these:

Recruit

Cadet

Midshipman

Petty Officer

Chief Petty Officer

Warrant Officer

Ensign

Lieutenant

Lieutenant Commander

Post Commander

where military ranks? sorry if i got mixed up

I am on no crusade whatsoever, just implying that try to balance weapons reduces realism, as there is no balancing in the real world.

This game being a simulation should take that into account.

The points I made previously about ranks enabling you to acquire licenses for militarily weapons etc was a mere suggestion that would give the game more content, progression, realism im sorry if those ideas offends you.

I would love to be as contented with the current weapons/class/balancing as you.

regarding military ranks:
do you get orders? do you have to perform your duties? do you get executed for being a traitor when you fight for the enemy or gain ranks with another faction? if yes then i was proven wrong

There is ample balancing going on in real life too. Why do you think there are no 150mm machine guns mounted on ships?
by the way, nuclear devices in vacuum are pretty much useless

It should enable you to get better equipment, i was not trying to oppose that suggestion. It just does not work like that. And better equipment always comes with compromises, in real life too.

 

[Star-Hunter]

Military/Civilian argument...
This lady is a civilian.

http://i45.servimg.com/u/f45/13/65/76/13/ae258d10.jpg

Is it so far-fetched that in a dangerous galaxy, where I can help make or bankrupt an entire system, that I can source, fit and use military hardware on my ship?

Hell I've sold battle-weapons to pirate stations in one-ton cans.

well she is not driving her own tank.

there is always a limit what a civilian can have.

and battle weapons are meant to be personal weapons

i am pretty sure there are going to be military weapons and illegal weapons available eventually. possibly when the real war begins

 

[Star-Hunter]

We don't carry any military hardware because there is no difference between military and civillian.

And your civilian with a pistol is roaming round space armed to the teeth with the same outfitting as System Authority Vessels.

There is no difference that we know of, obviously we have no access to military tech so we cant compare stats

System authority Vessels are not military, they are meant to be a police force (basically armed civilians)

that said, i do think the system could use some expanding, but i understand why it is in the current state.



also, im getting really tired of your "shoot the messenger" style arguments. pls try to be civil

 

[Spartan0536]

There is NO limit even in todays world to what a civilian can have, its just what you can afford....

Case & point from a US Citizen's standpoint....

Suppressors & Automatics - Class 3 Form 4

Explosives - Permit (usually construction)

AT Weapons - Legal with permit up to 40mm for autocannons, 80mm for rocket based systems for private ownership

Tanks - Yep, no limit, just permit, however getting your own M1 Abrams is not likely (this usually does not cover a working gun, but with the right permit, it can)

Remember that CORPORATIONS ARE PUBLICLY OWNED, and CORPORATIONS MAKE ALL OF THE MILITARYS WEAPONS from bullets to radiological and biological weapons. Technically a public corporation like General Dynamics owns an Abrams up until its sold to the military usually done in contracts, in test phases its all theirs, and its PRIVATELY OWNED BY THE COMPANY. A company is a group of CIVILIANS that band together to provide and good or service for others.

 

[shadragon]

I've been meaning to make a thread asking for basically the same thing. I was even going to use the bofors as an example.

Bofors is a 40MM projectile. That's a class 8 hardpoint. The 3 or 4 hard point they are talking about is a 30MM GAU-8 Avenger cannon off an A-10.

I had the privilege of watching an A-10 strafe a Chieftain tank. The power of it is so over the top it slows the aircraft down when firing.

[video=youtube;33teK7L4DM4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4[/video]

Want. Want. Want.

 

[Beardless]

There is NO limit even in todays world to what a civilian can have, its just what you can afford....

Case & point from a US Citizen's standpoint....

Suppressors & Automatics - Class 3 Form 4

Explosives - Permit (usually construction)

AT Weapons - Legal with permit up to 40mm for autocannons, 80mm for rocket based systems for private ownership

Tanks - Yep, no limit, just permit, however getting your own M1 Abrams is not likely (this usually does not cover a working gun, but with the right permit, it can)

Remember that CORPORATIONS ARE PUBLICLY OWNED, and CORPORATIONS MAKE ALL OF THE MILITARYS WEAPONS from bullets to radiological and biological weapons. Technically a public corporation like General Dynamics owns an Abrams up until its sold to the military usually done in contracts, in test phases its all theirs, and its PRIVATELY OWNED BY THE COMPANY. A company is a group of CIVILIANS that band together to provide and good or service for others.

Precisely, you need permits and licenses. this would add to realism/content/progression. and balance as only people with justification (bounty hunting etc) could purchase weapons of that nature.

The fact corperations are privately owned does not give civvies the right to carry huge weapons with no policing.

 

[Star-Hunter]

There is NO limit even in todays world to what a civilian can have, its just what you can afford....

Case & point from a US Citizen's standpoint....

Suppressors & Automatics - Class 3 Form 4

Explosives - Permit (usually construction)

AT Weapons - Legal with permit up to 40mm for autocannons, 80mm for rocket based systems for private ownership

Tanks - Yep, no limit, just permit, however getting your own M1 Abrams is not likely (this usually does not cover a working gun, but with the right permit, it can)

Remember that CORPORATIONS ARE PUBLICLY OWNED, and CORPORATIONS MAKE ALL OF THE MILITARYS WEAPONS from bullets to radiological and biological weapons. Technically a public corporation like General Dynamics owns an Abrams up until its sold to the military usually done in contracts, in test phases its all theirs, and its PRIVATELY OWNED BY THE COMPANY. A company is a group of CIVILIANS that band together to provide and good or service for others.

well it all depends how do you acquire the permits. also, Corporations require pretty thorough licenses to be allowed weapons manufacture, development, and testing

 

[Beardless]

regarding military ranks:
do you get orders? do you have to perform your duties? do you get executed for being a traitor when you fight for the enemy or gain ranks with another faction? if yes then i was proven wrong

There is ample balancing going on in real life too. Why do you think there are no 150mm machine guns mounted on ships?
by the way, nuclear devices in vacuum are pretty much useless

It should enable you to get better equipment, i was not trying to oppose that suggestion. It just does not work like that. And better equipment always comes with compromises, in real life too.

I receive Naval rank ascension missions from the federation/empire along with assassinations etc. hopefully in the future you will receive more orders and make the ranks more worthwhile.

I understand what you are saying about balancing in real life but when the US navy implement their Railgun, Whos going to hit it with the nerf bat for being to op and balance it.

FD should not be afraid to make horrible and op weapons because in the year 3300 there should be some pretty savage toys to play with.

 

[Star-Hunter]

Bofors is a 40MM projectile. That's a class 8 hardpoint. The 3 or 4 hard point they are talking about is a 20MM cannon off an A-10.

I had the privilege of watching an A-10 strafe a Chieftain tank. The power of it is so over the top it slows the aircraft down when firing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4

Want. Want. Want.

i dont know where do you get those numbers

Fistly, the GAU-8 (A-10 gatling gun) is 30mm caliber

secondly, how is a 40mm projectile a class 8 (when max is C4) hardpoint?
based on the models the class 2 MC is already a larger caliber than the GAU-8

But you are totaly right about its recoil. and your support is apreciated

 

[Beardless]

There is no difference that we know of, obviously we have no access to military tech so we cant compare stats

System authority Vessels are not military, they are meant to be a police force (basically armed civilians)

that said, i do think the system could use some expanding, but i understand why it is in the current state.



also, i'm getting really tired of your "shoot the messenger" style arguments. pls try to be civil

I don't mean to be shooting at anyone, I am sorry if you feel I have been out of order

It seemed as though you was purposely arguing over any comment I posted ;-)

Please have a rep point for giving me thorough debate, apologies for going a bit off topic

 

[Star-Hunter]

I receive Naval rank ascension missions from the federation/empire along with assassinations etc. hopefully in the future you will receive more orders and make the ranks more worthwhile.

I understand what you are saying about balancing in real life but when the US navy implement their Railgun, Whos going to hit it with the nerf bat for being to op and balance it.

FD should not be afraid to make horrible and op weapons because in the year 3300 there should be some pretty savage toys to play with.

thats true, but there are always drawbacks when you push one aspect of a weapon.
for example rate of fire and barrel (rail) life. which are both expected to be very low for the naval rail guns (first gen. at least) and there will be technologies developed to counter the new threat. Like always.

also this is supposed to be the beginning of the story, this is supposed to be the status cuo that is going to be disturbed by development and experimental tech. that is what i meant by understanding the current state. for that to be successful they need a solid base that does not fall apart when you shake it.
given all this, im actually glad they dont rush with shines that dont make sense or have no purpose.

 

[Poy]

i dont know where do you get those numbers

Fistly, the GAU-8 (A-10 gatling gun) is 30mm caliber

secondly, how is a 40mm projectile a class 8 (when max is C4) hardpoint?
based on the models the class 2 MC is already a larger caliber than the GAU-8

But you are totaly right about its recoil. and your support is apreciated

Have you seen the scale of ships in this game ? I'd be surprised one of the gatling isn't 20/30/40 mm !

 

[Star-Hunter]

I don't mean to be shooting at anyone, I am sorry if you feel I have been out of order

It seemed as though you was purposely arguing over any comment I posted ;-)

Please have a rep point for giving me thorough debate, apologies for going a bit off topic

No worries

I like a good argument, just dont like it when people try to include the person in it.

An opinion should stand on its own, regardless where it came from.

You raised some very good points, i just tried to give some constructive criticism.

although they were a bit off topic

 

[Cmdr. Numa]

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjGbOyd2ek

I just love quad barrel designs. We could have C2 dual barrel, C3 triple barrel, C4 quad barrel, no C1. Just nothing single barreled please, we already have plenty of that.

 

[Beardless]

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjGbOyd2ek

I just love quad barrel designs. We could have C2 dual barrel, C3 triple barrel, C4 quad barrel, no C1. Just nothing single barreled please, we already have plenty of that.

For sure!

Maybe a dual light plasma cannon or something like gravity torpedos that temporally slows a ship would be cool or instead of a hatch breaker limpet a command and conquer style terror drone that can target a sub system! Imagine one trying to break through your canopy!

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Bofors is a 40MM projectile. That's a class 8 hardpoint. The 3 or 4 hard point they are talking about is a 30MM GAU-8 Avenger cannon off an A-10.

I had the privilege of watching an A-10 strafe a Chieftain tank. The power of it is so over the top it slows the aircraft down when firing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33teK7L4DM4

Want. Want. Want.

Super op!

 

[Troa Barton]

This: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFjGbOyd2ek

I just love quad barrel designs. We could have C2 dual barrel, C3 triple barrel, C4 quad barrel, no C1. Just nothing single barreled please, we already have plenty of that.

i have to agree the single barrel is just too plain looking. I really want to look out over the deck of my conda and visually see it bristling with guns.
While I'm not really a fan of this game anymore they did get cannons right. The weapons outfitted on this are ultra auto cannons the rapid fire alternative to the higher damage single shot auto cannon. The UAC's have the potential to do more damage but can miss and jam with higher heat and weight. While the standard auto cannons have greater accuracy, weigh less, but fire significantly slower with all of their damage in one shot.
[video=youtube_share;ef7hiZDbX-4]http://youtu.be/ef7hiZDbX-4[/video]
personally I think that munition weaponry should be stronger than energy based not the other way around like it is in this game. There's a lot of wasted energy and excessive heat in energy weapons. Efficiency often translates into output potential.

 

[Star-Hunter]

i have to agree the single barrel is just too plain looking. I really want to look out over the deck of my conda and visually see it bristling with guns.
While I'm not really a fan of this game anymore they did get cannons right. The weapons outfitted on this are ultra auto cannons the rapid fire alternative to the higher damage single shot auto cannon. The UAC's have the potential to do more damage but can miss and jam with higher heat and weight. While the standard auto cannons have greater accuracy, weigh less, but fire significantly slower with all of their damage in one shot.
http://youtu.be/ef7hiZDbX-4
personally I think that munition weaponry should be stronger than energy based not the other way around like it is in this game. There's a lot of wasted energy and excessive heat in energy weapons. Efficiency often translates into output potential.

I dont think that it would be good to have Autocannons at C2

Although, double-barrel at C3 and quad barrel at C4 is not such a terrible idea as long as it does not mean that is has double the fire power

 

[Vasious]

There is no difference that we know of, obviously we have no access to military tech so we cant compare stats

System authority Vessels are not military, they are meant to be a police force (basically armed civilians)

that said, i do think the system could use some expanding, but i understand why it is in the current state.



also, im getting really tired of your "shoot the messenger" style arguments. pls try to be civil

You do see Federal Naval vessels and Imperial Naval vessels about, in addition to the System Authority vessels
The only difference is the Naval vessels lack any livery, but have similar load outs -> interdictors but lack KWS and the same weapons

Conversely that doesn't counter your point, a civy could have a 1911, a police a 1911, a soldier a 1911, but the soldier could have other toys too

 

[Rich Bramwell]

While there are disreputable arms dealers in the world/Milky way/Galaxy.....there will always be underground markets for operators who wish to purchase or steal Military hardware. I am a Midshipman...not a high enough rank to maybe get hold of a Federal Corvette through legal shipyards even with the high credits price it will cost, although through rank progression I think you should be able to end up at an officers rank that is high enough to purchase nearly everything to nukes, though excluding bio-warfare from reputable dealers. There should also be a route to gain/buy/steal Military weapons through the ''underworld'' I feel too, especially since not every player would wish to gain rank within a faction just to gain Military weapons/modules.
Since the invention of rules to keep heavy weapons out of the hands of civilians many hundreds of years ago to stop rebellions, there has also been a number of civilians who would actively stockpile large quantities of Military weapons because of mistrust of their government or just the ability to sell them for vastly over-inflated prices to people who the government would rather not own them......I do not see this changing in the next 1000 years, simply because of the greed of man or any other alien race that has an economy to run.