What if the bot cannot discern the difference between Open and Solo while board flipping? It gets a full load and off it goes.
Automation and Scripting - An investigation into further abuses of BGS and Powerplay
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Agree your point. BGS (and powerplay) needs to evolve into something more engaging and spontaneous than its current form. If the game was only BGS & PP nobody would buy it because not enough entertainment.
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This ... Without DC it would be significantly more difficult (maybe almost impossible) to program those bots ... maybe controling faction should have option to disable DC in their stations ?
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These bots were switching modes presumably to maximize mission access, or for trolling purposes. Which is why we have video of them in action in open.
So "gah modes are bad" is irrelevant.
You need to watch the first video the OP posted the way the bot moves is clearly automated as they only perform one action at a time.
They travel out from the letterbox in a straight line no pitch roll or yaw, gear down to control speed. Come to a stop at a set distance of around 10km's out still facing directly ahead, once stopped they turn to face their destination star. Once they've turned they charge FSD, once charged they accelerate to jump.
A person doing this would be playing the game with one finger, no mouse no joystick no mistakes or overcorrections and no reaction to other ships. People are less precise, more fluid and can multitask.
HELL NO.
This. Identifying a bot from its actions at a given moment can be extremely hard, but identifying a pattern in actions is way easier. An account logged and running 24/7 is easily recognizable server side and should immediately raise a red flag, just to say the first obvious thing.
As I already answered in post #68 pure hubris. Go read for the rest of the story...
And have the question asked by the Station Security Contact, as a homage to the FE2 copy protection secuirty check
And still! No-one has come up why someone or some group, would pay real money to buy accounts to bot and effect the BGS.
It sounds harsh, but I just don't see it. I'm a developer and have been for decades. I've codes and admin'd online games and I've investigated botting in all shapes and sizes.
Anyone with the intelligence to be able to write a bot of this nature, would;
1. Ensure the botting was done away from view (There is no problem ensuring this is done outside of Open)
2. Ensure the botting was done in an area less likely to be visible to participating players/groups
3. The bit that's thinking .. is this; I could write better than this, and it would be undetectable.
Also, we have seen no other evidence, that someone creating a bot to launch from the docking pad, exit the station and then... We're 'told' it's effecting the entire game. I'm left wondering; Having left the station they have to;
a. Orientate to the jump vector. Not easy, as it can be anywhere. We have not seen this
b. Perform the jump.. Easy peasy if aligned
c. Enter the new system and orientate from jump in point. Easy
d. Navigate to supercruise drop point. This is very difficult.
c. Drop from SC and align with station.
So, to believe the OP, someone has created this, and kept it super secret, and with all that ability and indeed, intelligence, is using it to mess with someone's powerplay? In open where it is super visible and super obvious?
What I think we're seeing is; someone with multiple accounts automating some of the procedure, aka, the undocking. That being the case, we're dealing with a bored kid who has automated part of the procedure. We have DC, this person has a Undocking Computer. Big woowoo. I could that in a day and I guaranteed you would not be able to tell the difference. But I keep coming back to... Why bother. I can exit any ship from sidewinder to cutter in seconds manually.
It is not extremely variable and that's the point. It is invariant enough to make even a scripted bot fairly essay to achieve if you have any programming experience. For crackers that also use the illegal (in FDev TOS point of view) memory scraping, it is even easier.
Sorry, checking the game mode is child's play. Press escape and read the mode near the bottom of the screen. Even a bot can do it.
Wait, I just noticed a thing - in facts, it's literally the first thing happening in the video. When the Cutter is lining up to the slot, a NPC ship cuts it and runs into the slot. The Cutter very clearly stops to let the NPC pass then resumes course and goes through.
I replied to this in post #68. In short hubris.
This is simple behaviour. All it is doing is detecting the that slot is blocked and waiting until it is not.
No it stops before the ship is into the slot. Watch at 1:37: the NPC is coming from above, you can see the Cutter braking when the NPC is still a bit above it and both are at some distance from the slot.
At first glance of the thread that would make sense, until you watch the video and see it move.
"I don't understand the motivation behind this" doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
If I was guessing I'd say it originates from the angry offline-gaters who have been hacking ED since day one encouraging other players to use their hacks and complaining loudly when they get perma-banned across multiple accounts. No links possible as some people are too dumb to resist, but your google-fu will show you it if you look.
I think you're being very selective in what you reply to. I posted a full breakdown and analysis. While I agree 'in part' to your 'ego' narrative, the story as a whole, simply does not add up. No sane person buys game accounts at this volume to show they can code a script. So the question still remains..
Yep, in agreement there, except for the 'paying for new accounts' - Sounds like someone with disposable income, a huge chip, and not very bright...
Ok, come up with a better idea to stop scripting in this game! This is a challenge to you my fellow ED CMDR as the ban hammer is not a solution and takes too much effort to monitor and report..
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