Awkward question that really needs an answer

babelfisch

babelfisch
Windscreen Smudge said:
FDev delivered Horizons but failed to do so in a timely manner. As such, many players feel that the extra year that was tacked onto Horizon's development has been a year delay in further development.
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And yet they never said that Horizons will be complete within one year and that the next paid expansion would be released in 2017.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Windscreen Smudge said:
Why are we talking opinions?

There doesn't need to be anything but facts in this discussion.

Facts are that it is the revenue from microtransactions that keeps the servers online. Continued monetary payment by the players, whether you choose to call it a subscription or a microtransaction, enables that.

Not tying the next season of content for ED to any monetary purchase or product means that the development of that season of content is 100% reliant on the continued monetary payment of the players. Making no commitments, especially financial commitments to the customers, means that FDev are free to cut planned features as they see fit based upon how well the microtransaction store is doing.

That financial foundation for the future development of the game is not acceptable in my opinion. Not given FDev's track record.
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Another fact is that they owe you nothing (even if you are a LEP owner) and could simply stop developing the game tomorrow.

Red Anders said:
I've posted this before when it's been mentioned. On Frontier's site there was a timetable for release of the individual Horizons updates. The dates are gone now because as each update was released, the 'release date' was changed to 'Available now' but when the season was originally announced it said:

2.1 - Spring 2016
2.2 - Summer 2016
2.3 - Autumn 2016
2.4 - To be announced

Here is the page concerned as it stands today with the dates gone: https://www.frontierstore.net/eur/games/elite-dangerous-cat/elite-dangerous-horizons-dlc.html/

and here is a forum post from February 2016 which links to it and quotes what dates were shown at that time: https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ajor-patches?p=3531095&viewfull=1#post3531095

I refuse to believe that anybody with a bit of sense can look at the original release timetable and seriously argue that the fact 2.4 was shown as 'to be announced' rather than as 'Winter 2016' meant that it wasn't supposed to be a year-long season, despite the fact that when I last posted this, it was actually prompted by someone who will remain nameless trying to suggest exactly that. Not when there are four updates in total, the first three were scheduled to be released one in each quarter and that if the same schedule was maintained for 2.4, it would have meant 2.4 - Return of the Thargoids being released around Christmas 2016, an entirely fitting holiday season release for such an iconic element of the game's lore.

My own expectation at the time I bought Horizons was that it was a one-year season of updates. Most people's expectation was that and based on the information available from FDev it was an entirely reasonable assumption. As there was no indication at the time that the season pass model was going to be dropped, it was an equally reasonable assumption that another similarly paced season would follow because as far as we knew the season pass model was the one chosen for ongoing updates. As you say that doesn't preclude updates to the game after 2.4 which were not paid updates and I assumed that there would be some updates to the base game (not paid for) after 2.4 as well as the next 'season', in the same was as every update in 2.0 to 2.4 has included some updates for non-Horizons owners.

Frankly (and I'm NOT directing this at you Yaffle because you did say that you just couldn't remember one way or the other) anybody who can look at that and perform the mental gymnastics required to try to convince people that Horizons was not originally supposed to be delivered over a calendar year is flat-out shilling.

Note - I'm not even remotely salty about the fact that it wasn't. Obviously I'd love updates to be released faster, I guess most people would, but I paid for four updates and I got them. I don't have an LEP, so I don't have to worry about whether I'll be getting less content than I anticipated due to Horizons taking two years, so I'm OK with it all. I also think the people who have been suggesting that the LEP will suddenly stop giving them access to any future paid content are hysterical cranks. None of that changes the fact that it's disingenuous at best for people to try to argue that Horizons was supposed to be anything other than four updates released during the 2016 calendar year at the time it was originally sold.



Oh now you're just being silly. :D
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I think that was a very logical assumption but Windscreen Smudge is clearly talking about facts. ;)
 

Nomadski

Nomadski
I took my dog for a walk yesterday down a local pathway. She had what can only be described as a very impressive mighty poo on the path, and I didn't clean it up. I feel bad about it. Should I go back and retrieve said mighty poo, or just put it down to a mistake I will never repeat?
 

Cmdr Eagleboy

Cmdr Eagleboy
FDev delivered Horizons but failed to do so in a timely manner. As such, many players feel that the extra year that was tacked onto Horizon's development has been a year delay in further development.
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On what basis they failed to deliver it in timely manner besides subjective feelings of some here?

Long story short - there will be paid for DLCs. Nothing indicates FD have lost interest in ED, in fact it is opposite. You can discuss time frames involved...and I hope FD takes that into account and works on 'less content but more timely deliver' schedule.
 
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Robert Maynard

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Robert Maynard
Nomadski said:
I took my dog for a walk yesterday down a local pathway. She had what can only be described as a very impressive mighty poo on the path, and I didn't clean it up. I feel bad about it. Should I go back and retrieve said mighty poo, or just put it down to a mistake I will never repeat?
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[OT] As a dog owner it's your civic duty to clear up after her - as to not do so tarnishes the reputation of dog owners in general. [/OT]
 

Ethaidan

Ethaidan
Nomadski said:
I took my dog for a walk yesterday down a local pathway. She had what can only be described as a very impressive mighty poo on the path, and I didn't clean it up. I feel bad about it. Should I go back and retrieve said mighty poo, or just put it down to a mistake I will never repeat?
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Well, if I saw you in our neighbourhood, I'd follow you home, note your address, then pick up after you and your dog and return your lost property - through your mailslot, our possibly pressed up under all the door handles on your car.
 

Red Anders

Red Anders
Nomadski said:
I took my dog for a walk yesterday down a local pathway. She had what can only be described as a very impressive mighty poo on the path, and I didn't clean it up. I feel bad about it. Should I go back and retrieve said mighty poo, or just put it down to a mistake I will never repeat?
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Ideally someone should take you for a walk down there and rub your nose in it.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Robert Maynard said:
[OT] As a dog owner it's your civic duty to clear up after her - as to not do so tarnishes the reputation of dog owners in general. [/OT]
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This. I started hating dogs in general because they always poo on my lawn (seriously, get off my lawn!) even though I know it's not their fault but their stupid "owners". That's another thing I don't get about dogs. How can you own them? Cats on the other hand are very clean and fabulous individuals and I'm glad to share my cockpit with them.
 

babelfisch

babelfisch
Last winter my neighbours dog had the squitters and it all splattered on my other neighbours house wall and since it was very cold everything was frozen quickly. The next day my neighbour (I don't like him) showed me the mess and asked "Who does such a thing?!"
I have to say that I do like this particular dog. But he is more of an artist than a dog anyway and I don't believe he thinks anybody owns him.
 

Skip Rockbounder

Skip Rockbounder
I visited my local pub the other day and found they had live music on, the bar was packed and I had to wait 5 minutes to get served, there was a bowl of nuts on the bar so I asked why they were there... "they're free help yourself" said the barman, "so who's paying for them then" I asked noting that I had to pay 60p the last time I had nuts in a pub, "they're complimentary... always on Monday we have live music and put out bowls of nuts and crisps"... "well, who pays for the band then" I asked grumpily, "we do..." said the barman, "I suppose the price of the beers's gone up to pay for it then" I said... "no, it's 50p off... happy hour", well that did it, I left, they had the audacity to let people drink cheaply, listen to a live band and eat free nuts while I had to pay full price on the previous Thursday.

and now I want to play Elite and wonder if I'm being taken for a ride again. :p
 

Riverside

Riverside
Skip Rockbounder said:
I visited my local pub the other day and found they had live music on, the bar was packed and I had to wait 5 minutes to get served, there was a bowl of nuts on the bar so I asked why they were there... "they're free help yourself" said the barman, "so who's paying for them then" I asked noting that I had to pay 60p the last time I had nuts in a pub, "they're complimentary... always on Monday we have live music and put out bowls of nuts and crisps"... "well, who pays for the band then" I asked grumpily, "we do..." said the barman, "I suppose the price of the beers's gone up to pay for it then" I said... "no, it's 50p off... happy hour", well that did it, I left, they had the audacity to let people drink cheaply, listen to a live band and eat free nuts while I had to pay full price on the previous Thursday.

and now I want to play Elite and wonder if I'm being taken for a ride again. :p
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Now run through that analogy again but with the barman not telling you what's going on ;)
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Windscreen Smudge said:
Next season is free because if FDev don't charge for it, they can't be held liable for delivering it on time if ever.

They learned their lesson with Horizons. "Commitments are hard and expensive, let's just kind of mumble through the next year and see what happens."
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It is free because it contains mostly updates for core gameplay. They never intended to charge for that in the first place.

But: There will also be paid for premium content!
 

Iskariot

Iskariot
Windscreen Smudge said:
Great, yes, is this going to be another Cobra Mk IV? A ship behind a paywall that no one wanted behind a paywall?

If it was worth announcing, it'd have been announced, but FDev still aren't positive they're even going to deliver, so they're keeping quiet just in case they've got to lower the bar and under-perform.
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You seem to know a lot about the hearts and minds of FDev.
Please tell how you got to be so intimate with them...
 
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