The FSD is just a concession to MP. If ED were SP it'd likely be something with time dilation.
Game Discussions Bethesda Softworks Starfield Space RPG
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It won't be a space game. It's gonna be a space themed RPG with 'space game' elements. It is futile to expect it to be something else.
Yes and not quite. You are forgetting Modding ability of Starfield. Modders might be able to turn this game in to what ever they want, assuming they will be given the right tools. This will be probably the biggest selling point of this game.
Jesus Lord, this is so out of touch of reality. "Turn this game into whatever they want". Yeah right, modders are gonna fix everything, take over the world and make Gumpy the Hamster alive again.
I said might and given the right tools
Yet here you are freaking out over few words. I think you need to chill and take a break from this forum. Enjoy the weekend.
There are still the limitations of the engine.
The vast majority of Skyrim mods are skimpy armours and reshades. So we'll probably see skimpy space suits...
The best and biggest mod for Skyrim is Enderal but even that is still a RPG.
I will buy Starfield and have fun with it, but it won't be a replacement for Elite.
I'm pretty shocked there's any space flight in Starfield in all honesty, I really thought it was gonna be Mass Effect style travelling, which I would've been fine with (Bethesda fanboi since Arena '94) and yea, their janky engine is screaming out for an overhaul (still saw some sus animatics in the Starfield reveal), but there's something about their gameplay / gameworlds that draws me in again and again; Skyrim and Fallout VR - amazeballs! Well, I've never paid twice for the same game before!
Being able to land anywhere on a 1000 worlds makes me wonder why no manual landing / takeoff and I'm guessing no flying above the surface of the worlds, so you have to launch into orbit then pick another spot?
Also wonder about surface vehicles, they've not managed to add them yet in the Creation Engine.
I'm inclined to see what is meant by no seamless transition, as ED arguably doesn't have a seamless transition.
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ED system maps do not have any transitions. It is all indeed seamlessly procedurally generated as you fly through it. It has also been shown countless times already in videos etc. I believe what you may be referring to is the network disconnect and handshake that occurs when you change from a supercruise or orbital cruise instance to a gliding or normal flight one.
From what I understand in StarField we will not even fly through the whole planetary approach and descent ourselves. It looks like it will be mostly an animation or cut scene of some kind. Even the landing at the end is not clear if it is still a part of the animation or not.
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Well their comments on modding are reasuring:
"We've learned that people do play our games for a really, really long time. People are still playing Skyrim. Certainly we're going to be doing extra content for this game, and we love our modding community. We actually think this game for our modding community is going to be a dream because there's so much they can do. We think that's a great thing,"
One could just play Elite II or Elite III (FE2?) for that "Expanse" ramming through a solar system sublight. It was very newtonian flying mechanics for the ship , where you could keep accelerating, or decelerate turned 180 degrees optionally if you wanted to throughout the solar system with or without the stardreamer. A few times I simulated descending from far orbit in real time using the thrusters and attempting to approximate what speeds I should aim for at certain points , calculating on pen and paper. I recall Larry Niven's earlier stories of going high sublight speed and trying to avoid slamming into planet storylines such as in the "Man-Kzin Wars" series, or some of his Known Space novels and short stories. Frontier was pioneering , and even so today with the combined unprecedented scope achievement of both ED Horizons & Beyond + Odyssey on-foot perspectives now and all working in real time.
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I noticed in the Starfield gameplay trailer , there was no overt mention or sighting of other spacefaring , bipedal alien races , humanoid or otherwise, just various types of animal creatures. Which is fine with me where I'm glad to see Starfield's direction is even more like ED and old sci-fi where it's mostly humans exploring the vicinity of stars and a smorgasboard mess of humanoid "cranial" or makeup decor faces of other thousands of different alien races of worlds just within a scores of light years away similar to Star Trek and NMS' gameworld. More like ED with very few signs of advanced spacefaring alien, perhaps one per galaxy, or some other nearby dimension with how it showed in the trailer reminiscent of the idea of "guardians" ruins. I'd noticed one shot of a forest with a semi-alligator looking animal creature lounging. It reminded me of one of the stories in the ED book "Tales from the Frontier" where a game hunter/collector was netting some kind of similar sized creature for a space zoo. And of course the old Braben idea of "big game hunting" in jungle worlds, also referenced ingame in the magazine gazettes of Elite III/FE2. So Starfield is getting there "first" in that respect comparison to ED and Odyssey's future developments.
My first fallout game I played was Fallout NV (haven't finished they storyline) , and before that Bethesda's Oblivion and Morrowind. I didn't really play Daggerfall , saw others had it back then, (and of course it was part of the earliest days of procedural generation in wandering around instead of 'fast travel'.). In general, I enjoyed Bethseda's game as the rpg's they were. And I enjoyed and respected their attempts to make it far more open world than "guided" story rpg's with location restrictions of the past. Even Bioware's first KOTOR had invisible walls, and I skipped out on all ME hearing it was similar with better graphics.
So with Starfield, I'm glad they started their foray into space themed rpg, because I recall wishing Fallout as a sci-fi game was instead set in space instead of always stuck in apocalpytic wastelands. Well a few missions in Fallout had some references to flying saucers and aliens. And the ES games often had lore references to stars or at least constellations. So I'm sure Bethsesda had long term dreams or ambitions of someday setting one of their game franchises in space. From the trailer, it seems it won't of course be anywhere approaching the ambitious interstellar sim scope of ED (to me NMS is still space illusion where their instances are still all skyboxed with unapproachable 2d suns, i.e. there are "skys" but no real space, and their procedural galactic map is just a star point selector), but at least Bethesda are making strong efforts on providing more workable space, such as their 1000 planets with presumably complete flyable or walkable areas outside of the orbit to lower elevation transition.
So it didn't show it, but perhaps one could fly their ship in Starfield or walk or use a vehicle to travel thousands of miles across the surface of each of those worlds. Which is pretty massive in some similar theme respects to (some) ED's or even the earlier Elites' multiple flyover and land-anywhere able worlds, and of course NMS' varied worlds however dressed up in a non true galactic or intra-orbital sim modeling.
While there seems to be not as much voice acting for the npc's around, there seems to be a a lot more with the mission givers and their pages of descriptions of the missions. I can understand some of where you're coming from for the audio/voice 'repetitions'. Interestingly I'm amazed how much foreign voice acting there is. I'd been playing in german attempting to be more "immersed" in it to hopefully improve past the intro german elective I took in college. And there's plenty, with the npc's around the lounge, and tons of chatter easily referenced with text in subtitles or the mission giving description pages and using multiple different foreign voice actors and their individual use of words and phrases in the language. So that's one thing I'm particularly impressed and respectful of Frontier's efforts in Odyssey of their hired and directed voice acting at least for their commitment to covering multiple different languages catering to ED's worldwide playerbase (such as also including russian and use of cryllic).
My first fallout game I played was Fallout NV (haven't finished they storyline) , and before that Bethesda's Oblivion and Morrowind. I didn't really play Daggerfall , saw others had it back then, (and of course it was part of the earliest days of procedural generation in wandering around instead of 'fast travel'.). In general, I enjoyed Bethseda's game as the rpg's they were. And I enjoyed and respected their attempts to make it far more open world than "guided" story rpg's with location restrictions of the past. Even Bioware's first KOTOR had invisible walls, and I skipped out on all ME hearing it was similar with better graphics.
So with Starfield, I'm glad they started their foray into space themed rpg, because I recall wishing Fallout as a sci-fi game was instead set in space instead of always stuck in apocalpytic wastelands. Well a few missions in Fallout had some references to flying saucers and aliens. And the ES games often had lore references to stars or at least constellations. So I'm sure Bethsesda had long term dreams or ambitions of someday setting one of their game franchises in space. From the trailer, it seems it won't of course be anywhere approaching the ambitious interstellar sim scope of ED (to me NMS is still space illusion where their instances are still all skyboxed with unapproachable 2d suns, i.e. there are "skys" but no real space, and their procedural galactic map is just a star point selector), but at least Bethesda are making strong efforts on providing more workable space, such as their 1000 planets with presumably complete flyable or walkable areas outside of the orbit to lower elevation transition.
So it didn't show it, but perhaps one could fly their ship in Starfield or walk or use a vehicle to travel thousands of miles across the surface of each of those worlds. Which is pretty massive in some similar theme respects to (some) ED's or even the earlier Elites' multiple flyover and land-anywhere able worlds, and of course NMS' varied worlds however dressed up in a non true galactic or intra-orbital sim modeling.
Not only references - one DLC culminated in your "piloting" an Zetan mothership in battle with another one. :7
Look like a possible planet transportation - also looks a bit big to carry in a Space ship. Perhapes one needs to build a planet base first and than construct them to explorer the planet.
Concept art, and we all know what relation concept art has to a finished product. Apart from that, I don't think planetary exploration is going to exist in that meaning of the word exploration. As far as I can tell from what info we have been given, landing on planets is going to be restricted to "objectives", that is, you can't land just anywhere and explore like in ED, and it's quite possible the area around the "objective" is the only are that will be developed, any area outside the objective are may either be out of bounds or the barest procedural generation.
Of course any concept we have beyond what has been released by Bethesda is speculation, but the statement, space will be one "place" and on a planet surface will be another "place" doesn't fill me with hope that we will be able to explore planets, I suspect no circumnavigations will be possible!
Except that Tod said, 'You can land on New Atlantis but you can also land and explore anywhere on the planet' (13.06) and that's darn specific information.
And I know that '16 times the detail' is now a universal meme and Todd looks like a snake oil salesman but would he out right lie about that?
Yes that's very specific, "on the planet" not "on any planet". it could be they have one fully modeled planet with the rest partly modeled with mostly procedural generation for the rest of the planet. I very much doubt they have hand modeled 1,000 planets, no-one is going to do that, which is why I say we need more information!
For instance;
Is an interesting statement but this is the one that has me most concerned!
How exactly do you pick a landing spot on a planet? You can't fly down to the them and land at interesting features, do you pick them out from orbit and say "land there". You pick a spot, it segues into a animation of some sort then your ship is on the surface? What if the spot you pick is to dangerous to land, cliffs etc? Once you are down there can you take off and fly around? Because from this description it doesn't seem so, your ship sits in one spot until you head out to space again. So land and explore anywhere on the planet may simple be land in that spot and walk around the ship.
So we still need far more information, and that may not come until the game is actually released.
This is all so obvious to me from looking at the gameplay and seeing what options you have. You can rotate the planet and pick any location with a cursor. You can scan planets that will show you points of interest which then you can select and land on or near. Probably some sort of signature rather than an "oh it's an outpost here" to allow for a sense of discovery.
No, they didn't hand craft 1000 planets. They didn't handcraft any planets. They touched some planets up with hand-crafted content but they have been doing that for years now. All their games use procedural generation and then the map is filled with handcrafted stuff. Yes, there will be a lot of moons and planets that don't have much to offer past areas you can build on and nice visuals but that's space. With mods though every planet will be unique eventually. No doubt about that.
I actually cannot wait. It does enough for me to sell the whole experience.
Seamlessness is no concern to me. The loading screen has it's place in gaming and often enough it is a little break for looking forward what might be about to come.