Blocking feature being abused or was it intended to be this way? FDEV?

[Mohrgan]

For sure Competition is good but when a game like this is wasted because of the developers neglect their community... it really begs the question of will Elite ever be considered competition to other studios? probably not given amount of issues this game has faced. worst yet is issues from release still plague this game.

I don't want this to come off as exactly personal. I am addressing your in-game/forum persona. If by your judgement this game is being ruined I see that as a good thing, for me. If this game is slipping out of your hands (ref: Metaphor) I feel it slipping into mine. If this game lost every focused PvP player, even some of my good in-game friends, it wouldn't suffer. Those things that chase your type off, become invitations to those like me. Maybe, all of the peeps you chased off the game, would come back. Threatening this game with the desertion of the PvP Bro's would only prove to be a boon, to those who would see you gone.

 

[Aashenfox]

Well you might be right. Question is do you want that to happen I guess? I don't

I think it's swings and roundabouts. Elite does a lot of things VERY badly, pvp is a great example. But it also does a lot of things very well, very, VERY well. Atmosphere, simulation of the vastness and coldness of space, a realistic sized galaxy that will NEVER be fully explored. A range of very varied, well designed and pretty well balanced FUN-TO-FLY starships. Despite being an old engine, SUMPTUOUS graphics (gratuitous screenshot thrown in for good measure below), 'decent' if not great ship to ship combat system. Very good (compared to others in the past) NPC AI, and we know they can make it better, cos they did and then changed their minds... And lastly a sense of freedom that no open world game has provided yet, you can pick a direction and keep going for a MONTH! And they used to say Grand theft auto had a big map (I'm aware it's not a fair comparison, please let me have my artistic license while I wax lyrixal about what I really love about elite ).

Nah, Elite has nothing to fear from other games sadly, and I say sadly because it allows the dev team to be a bit lazy. The type of game Elite is will always attract a hardcore of sim type players, a group which I am on the fringes of myself, I'm not a hardcore simmer, but I do sim. And when you want to feel peaceful in a huge universe and just admire the rings, the stars, the landscapes on some planets, then go blow something up in exciting starship combat with your lazors, Elite gives you a fix of something only it can currently provide. It's clear Star Citizen is going to be less of an epic sandbox and more of a big box of treats. I believe Elite will always be the 'grandest' and therefore 'least finished' space game of all time.

Gratuitous screenshot as promised...

 

[besieger]

I don't want this to come off as exactly personal. I am addressing your in-game/forum persona. If by your judgement this game is being ruined I see that as a good thing, for me. If this game is slipping out of your hands (ref: Metaphor) I feel it slipping into mine. If this game lost every focused PvP player, even some of my good in-game friends, it wouldn't suffer. Those things that chase your type off, become invitations to those like me. Maybe, all of the peeps you chased off the game, would come back. Threatening this game with the desertion of the PvP Bro's would only prove to be a boon, to those who would see you gone.

You must of missed the part where I enjoyed PVE...

 

[Kaocraft]

Well no, the OP can still absolutely play in an environment where his "own ability is the sole rule for survival". If the developer has also provided means for people to choose to play another way (as is being argued) and not forcing the OP to do so, they've delivered the game to him as promised.

No. Because block lists and combat Logging trump ability. For him, and for everyone. If the option exists, it doesn't matter whether you use it or not- it still negates the premise that your own ability is the sole rule for survival.

 

[Mohrgan]

You must of missed the part where I enjoyed PVE...

No, I didn't.

 

[Schmack]

And if the block system worked only that way it wouldn't really be a big deal. But it doesn't, it affects the entire instance, a pirate can't enter a player heavy instance with a blockee rather than keeping the blocker in a safe instance as needed.

It's a game mechanic being used as it's designed to be used. Can you see them in supercruise but not interdict them? Or do you drop into a CG and somehow the trader who has blocked you gets by your blockade without you ever seeing them?

I mean, if the intent of the CG is to have pirates acting as gulls feasting on the baby turtles before they make it to the water, then you have a legitimate beef with the method, otherwise you're introducing something into the game that no one else signed off on, so you get what you get. I don't fault the pirate role players and I try not to judge them since it's just a game, but since when did pirates start lodging complaints that the other ships won't play with them?

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Until there is an Open PVE mode, people will continue to find ways to create their own version of it.

But really this falls very plainly into the realm of:

Mind Your Own Business and Play Your Own Game and Stop Worrying About What Other People Are Doing.


I know, we hate the concept of minding our own business these days. It's not PC to mind your own business. Noses are shaped to fit up [..]es for a reason, right?
But no matter how many snowflakes huddle together the reality is, other peoples' business is not your business. I can't wait for the day it's PC again to bust somebody's head for sticking their nose where it doesn't belong.

As for myself, I don't much venture into Open for all the reasons people don't venture into Open, as well as how terrible other peoples' connections are. I hate seeing ships skip across space like stones on a pond because they connect to the internet with a can and a piece of string - or worse, through a VPN because they think it will keep them private or improve their latency - which it does neither of these things.

 

[Schmack]

No. Because block lists and combat Logging trump ability. For him, and for everyone. If the option exists, it doesn't matter whether you use it or not- it still negates the premise that your own ability is the sole rule for survival.

No it doesn't.

Survival of the fittest was never just about ability to combat. It's also about ability to avoid combat using available tactics, including evasion.

 

[Vorxian]

Bad, I don't really remember playgrounds having a gate. Must have been an elitist one - i used public ones.

but but but.... all the playgrounds I know have a gate...

Have a great weekend guys, fly safe.

/Vx

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

No it doesn't.

Survival of the fittest was never just about ability to combat. It's also about ability to avoid combat using available tactics, including evasion.

Agree to a point but to me this should be done within the confines of the game, blocking a player just so you can avoid combat seems like a very cheap tactic and think those who abuse it shouls be in another game mode as clearly they cannot accept the realities of open play.

 

[halo jones 101]

The shock they will have when its time to move to another game...

Is that is based on the assumption that the majority of the player base is PvP centric, and that Frontier have developed this game to be PvP centric, this is something I would question. It does seem that those who are taking issue with 'blocking' should consider why, some of the player base would consider using such a tactic, if it is even a 'thing'.


As with much of this game the I consider, the forum meta does not reflect the wider player base, silent majority and all that.

 

[Mohrgan]

Agree to a point but to me this should be done within the confines of the game, blocking a player just so you can avoid combat seems like a very cheap tactic and think those who abuse it shouls be in another game mode as clearly they cannot accept the realities of open play.

Cheap tactics he says..... Lol. Where else could we apply that complaint? I wonder?...

 

[Aashenfox]

Those things that chase your type off, become invitations to those like me. Maybe, all of the peeps you chased off the game, would come back. Threatening this game with the desertion of the PvP Bro's would only prove to be a boon, to those who would see you gone.

In response to the complaints that the awful pvp will drive off the pvpers, this is also my response, I ain't bothered, however... I hope that a middle ground can be reached, where pvpers and pve'ers can be happy, and ED remains an interesting pvp game as well. Such as by having a PvE mode where players couldn't hurt players, and an open mode, where they can.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

Cheap tactics he says..... Lol. Where else could we apply that complaint? I wonder?...

Please do elaborate.

 

[EvE4evah]

Cheap tactics he says..... Lol. Where else could we apply that complaint? I wonder?...

It's a cheap tactic because Open was designed so that you shouldn't feel safe. It's natural for nonconsensual PvP. Just like any other game with that feature. You make your own safety, by being cautious and fitting your ship adequately.

There's Solo and PG modes for "completely safe" Elite Dangerous.

 

[EvE4evah]

In response to the complaints that the awful pvp will drive off the pvpers, this is also my response, I ain't bothered, however... I hope that a middle ground can be reached, where pvpers and pve'ers can be happy, and ED remains an interesting pvp game as well. Such as by having a PvE mode where players couldn't hurt players, and an open mode, where they can.

There is that mode already. It's called Moebius.

 

[Kaocraft]

No it doesn't.

Survival of the fittest was never just about ability to combat. It's also about ability to avoid combat using available tactics, including evasion.

Yes. And those "available tactics" include Combat Logging and blocklisting. Which supersede and negate the significance of all other tactics. And those "available tactics" require no finesse, foreknowledge, preparation, or anticipation to execute; you simple decide to use them or you don't. Which means that in the end, the largest determinant of your "ability" (and your survival) is boiled down to your use of these "available tactics".

And this is true for everyone all the time no matter whether you use them or not. If it's in the game; it's in the game; and cannot be discounted.

 

[Becks]

There is that mode already. It's called Moebius.

That's not a mode though. It's a group. That's a significant difference.

 

[Genar-Hofoen]

Can I suggest that, rather than staunch PvE'ers forum-fighting with staunch PvP'ers, both groups join together on the forums and divert our collective protests to the one party to blame for all this mess, namely, Frontier?

They're just sitting there reading these forums occasionally, simultaneously shaking their heads and letting both sides burn up their energies fighting each other, rather than more correctly feeling the pressure on them.

 

[Marshall...]

""completely safe" Elite Dangerous.""

Hilarious!