Blocking feature being abused or was it intended to be this way? FDEV?

[Riverside]

If a player is having fun with their friends, but not in a way that you want to be involved in, why try to get that player banned when you can just block them?

Fundamentally if a Cmdr's playstyle requires interaction with other players in order to have fun, it's in their interests to make they playstyle fun for others (not necessarily all). If a Cmdrs's playstyle does not require others (eg interaction only adds to it) then there's no real problem even if they don't see anyone.

 

[znôrt]

Which is bad because ...?

it's not bad, it just is.

worth to point out now and then because many seem to misunderstand what frontier means with 'take control of your ship in a cutthroat galaxy'. ah, nuances!

 

[Noctover]

Nor is your response 'people shouldent be able to use it as such'. So a small percentage of people mis-use the feature? So what? How about being able to avoid winged attacks by players much better than you with message like 'git gud'. Yes, I know that doesn't happen often but it does happen and to someone that is new to the game it may also be the final straw. Being able to avoid that for now and having a chance to 'git gud' sounds like a fairly good idea.

Yes, I know that they can join a Player Group but they may want to play in Open but not with the prats!

Seems reasonable to me.

And the argument of not removing something just because you don't like it even though you don't use it is pretty reasonable to me also.

As for 'If every answer to ever complaint about every feature was "you don't have to use it" i don't think the game would be particularly good.', well that's what the game is all about. You play your way, I'll play mine.

And the block feature should remove the "Git Gud" crap from chat, without removing the threat of being attacked by them because they are breaking no rules roaming around in a wing attacking people. If people dislike it, well, there are other modes, other systems, you know the drill.

Ok, lets pause here and read my question again: "For the pirate, does it make any difference that this player has blocked him instead of going into a private group?"


There's nothing in there that tells me: "does it make any difference that this player has blocked him instead of going into a private group?".

Sure, once you read the rest of the response.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

It could, actually. Imagine the following scenario: Pirate A interdicts and pirates Trader B. Trader B blocks Pirate A. Now, whenever Trader B is in supercruise, the game farms players somewhat evenly between both instances rather than having a more crowded single instance. In this scenario, Pirate A would see less traffic than if Trader B went to solo or PG.

Right, I'll give you that one, on the condition I'm ignorant about instancing mechanics and will take anyone's word for it.

 

[StiTch]

A&B are no arguments why it's bad. I don't get A) at all.

B) suggests it's bad to have alternatives.

Players don't get to choose everything that happens to them. That's an hyperbole.

If FD wanted PvP to be optional in Open they should create a PvE mode or similar. They shouldn't, but it'd be better than this.

Point is it's not being used by players to block potentially offensive CMDRs. It's being used to block anyone that could pose harm to them, which is just a crap PvE implementation.

Also added a third point, but notably calling me out on hyperbole still wasn't answering the question.

With two other game modes where players can choose their experience, what's wrong with one of three experiences not being pick n' mix? Straight up, simple anything goes? What about the people that want to "play that way"?

Well, as is always the way with these threads, the OP is rather conspicuous by their absence since the thread started.

Or just doesn't get to dedicate their time 24/7 to forum PvP?

Posting on the internet and rabidly waiting for a response to have a go at is the very apex of sad keyboard warriorism. Sorry bud. Get outdoors.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sure, once you read the rest of the response.

I did mate. Right after I reminded you of the question I asked.

 

[Ozric]

It could, actually. Imagine the following scenario: Pirate A interdicts and pirates Trader B. Trader B blocks Pirate A. Now, whenever Trader B is in supercruise, the game farms players somewhat evenly between both instances rather than having a more crowded single instance. In this scenario, Pirate A would see less traffic than if Trader B went to solo or PG.

I know there would naturally be multiple instances, but that is more a function of geography. Initially, Pirate A and Trader B instanced together, so they would likely continue to do so without the block.

Hahaha, no, just no. That's not right at all, why because 1 person blocks another do you think it's suddenly going to start splitting instances evenly rather than just putting B into a different instance if it can.

A lot of the Solo crowd were going mental on the forum about that engineering exploit, i could argue that other players having OP ships does not affect players who will never encounter them anyway, but they stated that cheats are detrimental to the game.

You do yourself no favours by saying things like the "solo crowd". But the analogy is once again completely wrong, because exploited ships affect everyone due to the ease of manipulating the BGS.

 

[Noctover]

Hahaha, no, just no. That's not right at all, why because 1 person blocks another do you think it's suddenly going to start splitting instances evenly rather than just putting B into a different instance if it can.




You do yourself no favours by saying things like the "solo crowd". But the analogy is once again completely wrong, because exploited ships affect everyone due to the ease of manipulating the BGS.

Nothing wrong with solo crowd, unless you want to think of something else to call them that is equally less derogatory than my own.

Solo crowd, you know, the players that play in Solo? Or are you one of those who gets offended by everything and takes to twitter?

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

If FD wanted PvP to be optional in Open they should create a PvE mode or similar.

Not your call. If they see a blocklist as possible solution, it's their choice to implement it whatever way they want.

Point is it's not being used by players to block potentially offensive CMDRs. It's being used to block anyone that could pose harm to them, which is just a crap PvE implementation.

In your most humble of opinions.

Also added a third point, but notably calling me out on hyperbole still wasn't answering the question.

Of course not. I'll not be answering hyperboles (where players don't get to choose everything that happens to you like the game is futuristic pick n' mix). Why would I do a stupid thing like that?

With two other game modes where players can choose their experience, what's wrong with one of three experiences not being pick n' mix? Straight up, simple anything goes? What about the people that want to "play that way"?

Because some people want to meet random other people without being bothered by pillocks.

edit; you're still able to play hardcore balls to the wall straight up anything goes right?

 

[metascrawl]

Right, I'll give you that one, on the condition I'm ignorant about instancing mechanics and will take anyone's word for it.

In this case, you'd be safe not to. This is speculation to put it politely. (Just making stuff up to put it not so politely)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

In this case, you'd be safe not to. This is speculation to put it politely. (Just making stuff up to put it not so politely)

Yeah, but foreverNoob sounded convincing and kept a straight face.

 

[StiTch]

Not your call. If they see a blocklist as possible solution, it's their choice to implement it whatever way they want.

So in your eyes, this game is 100% perfect as it is? No single flaws, because as FD implemented it as per their choice, it's infallible?

In your most humble of opinions.

No, there's videos around of people using it like that.

Because some people want to meet random other people without being bothered by pillocks.

Mobius? Private?

And why are "some people" so important they get their way with three out of three game modes?

I see no fundamental reason for Open to not have risk, or for risk to be optional in it, when you already get to choose what risk you face elsewhere - other than "I'm greedy and want to be able to have no risk, sort of a little bit of risk, no risk WITH other players, and...somewhere I can disable risk. But you players aren't allowed somewhere with actual unmitigated risk".

 

[Ozric]

Point is it's not being used by players to block potentially offensive CMDRs. It's being used to block anyone that could pose harm to them, which is just a crap PvE implementation.

You don't know that's happening, other than some posts on a forum/reddit of a couple of people saying they did it (allegedly), do that mean it's an actual issue?

Or just doesn't get to dedicate their time 24/7 to forum PvP?

Posting on the internet and rabidly waiting for a response to have a go at is the very apex of sad keyboard warriorism. Sorry bud. Get outdoors.

I've just been out for a walk on my lunch break cheers, and the OP is online and viewing this thread. Whereas starting a practically flame thread and then sitting back to watch the fire is..?

Nothing wrong with solo crowd, unless you want to think of something else to call them that is equally less derogatory than my own.

Solo crowd, you know, the players that play in Solo? Or are you one of those who gets offended by everything and takes to twitter?

Wow we're all getting rather personal aren't we. I'm merely pointing out that there were a lot more people than those who play in solo complaining about the exploit and it should be obvious why it affects everyone's game.

 

[dognosh]

Yeah, but foreverNoob sounded convincing and kept a straight face.

Made I smile

 

[Riverside]

if I was in space for real I would not expect to be able to block any pilot. I play this game the same as I would probably live my life out in the black.
no in game blocks and no forum blocks.

Same here. But both are an excellent solution to offer to those that complain

 

[ForeverN00b]

Yeah, but foreverNoob sounded convincing and kept a straight face.

This is no laughing matter. Pixel ships are Sirius bizness.

 

[Herbrand]

How is this a bad thing? People that behave anti-socially are going to find less and less people to annoy - sounds like a win to me.

 

[stereoBear]

'take control of your ship in a cutthroat galaxy'

Oh well, for some of us this is just marketing blah-blah and not the 11th commandment ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[verminstar]

This response dosent make much sense to me.

Lets say someone is a good, honest pirate IE ransoms, uses limpets etc to play the game their way, add some player interaction etc. This person is doing no wrong, but if someone see's them in the system and decides; you know what? Instead of flying smart, accepting the risk, switching mode, or taking a detour accordingly they are just going to block them outright with no message, no interaction, no warning...Basically the other player has done nothing wrong but now he is on someones blacklist.

Your solution "it dosent effect you, he decided to use it you don't have to" dosent work because this feature has directly effected the pirates game, even though he chooses not to use it.

If every answer to ever complaint about every feature was "you don't have to use it" i don't think the game would be particularly good.

Cant speak fer others, but thats not the way I would block others...its a decision based on researching the player being blocked. There are other sources and other forums where such details are recorded as such things are against the rules on these forums...naming and shaming rules?

Anyway...KOS lists exist with names of players who are not and never were pvprs...how does one explain or justify that, then in the next breath condemn block lists? Seems very hypocritical to me tbh and while KOS lists exist, so will block lists. They havent always existed, but neither has the block feature.

Its only the worst of the worst...those who are not role playing pirates and just kill fer the giggles. Role playing pirates, genuine pirates add to the game and Ill personally never block a genuine pirate. Anyone who has ever used the line "git gud" is blocked immediately however.

I suppose3 everyone is different but when I block players, rest assured they are examples of the worst of the playerbase ^

 

[znôrt]

I've just been out for a walk on my lunch break cheers, and the OP is online and viewing this thread. Whereas starting a practically flame thread and then sitting back to watch the fire is..?

sir, we might have a problem here. if op qualifies as a flame wouldn't it be your duty to close/moderate it instead of jumping right into the flame?

plus, stalking forum members ... meh!