No I 100% believe all that.
You're genuinely surprised other people are unhappy with FD's approach these days? Think that's a bit more unfortunate.
BOYCOTT the Panther Clipper to avoid future "Updates"
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You're genuinely surprised other people are unhappy with FD's approach these days? Think that's a bit more unfortunate.
I agree the plipper is an edge case with huge popularity, but I think you assumed I meant that it doubled FD's entire income? That would indeed be surprising, I did say 'from Elite'. And I definitely think the plipper doubled income 'from elite' and will continue to have an impact throughout its early access period.
In any case, are you taking the position that the release of ships for ARX has not had a positive influence on Elite Dangerous income? Even based on pointing out above that 3 to 6 times income spikes from elite dnagerous extras resulted from basically each ship launch? If you tell me that while locally significant, it's not historically or materially significant, I'll respect that. It seems like ships for arx has been a very big earner based on that statement alone. Or even, god forbid, that my hyperbolic statement that ED is being ssutained by these early access schemes have prevented early shut down, are not too far from accurate?
Give me your opinion in plain english on whether the early access ships for arx have had a positive or negative effect on a) the players and b) the revenue... I'm truly interested to hear it as someone with a strong interest in the long term survival of this game.
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No, I meant from Elite specifically (Elite revenue is ~7% of total revenue), and I meant "doubled for the first month only".
People will of course continue to buy it in months 2 and 3, but nowhere near as much as in the first month.
Positive, yes. Significantly positive ... hard to tell, almost certainly enough to justify doing the ships (i.e. the ships in and of themselves are profitable), almost certainly not enough to make any difference whatsoever to "sink or swim" decisions for ED as a whole.
The majority of ED's income is coming from - and always has - new base game sales. The boost in new base game sales from recent developments is the major benefit - though that does of course increase the market for the ARX goods too.
a) I'm not the target market for them (I only have the T-8 of the ones that have come out of ARX access) so I can't really say. But it's shut up the "no new ships!!!" crowd, which is a minor positive benefit
b) Revenue is certainly a net positive effect, but not the "we're helping save the game" ego-boosting feeling that Frontier won't disillusion people of deliberately: Powerplay and Trailblazers and similar have been the big ones there.
The cosmetics or EA compared to the the price .
Give me unicorn paintjob I will pay 6000 arx
Give me Dragon Paintjob I will pay 10000arx
Give me a paintjob where I can choose the primary and secondary colours ?
I won't pay 10000 arx for an all black PJ
EA doesn't give me any real benefit apart from not having to wait unless the run another ship orientated CG straight after .
Thanks man.No, I meant from Elite specifically (Elite revenue is ~7% of total revenue), and I meant "doubled for the first month only".
People will of course continue to buy it in months 2 and 3, but nowhere near as much as in the first month.
Positive, yes. Significantly positive ... hard to tell, almost certainly enough to justify doing the ships (i.e. the ships in and of themselves are profitable), almost certainly not enough to make any difference whatsoever to "sink or swim" decisions for ED as a whole.
The majority of ED's income is coming from - and always has - new base game sales. The boost in new base game sales from recent developments is the major benefit - though that does of course increase the market for the ARX goods too.
a) I'm not the target market for them (I only have the T-8 of the ones that have come out of ARX access) so I can't really say. But it's shut up the "no new ships!!!" crowd, which is a minor positive benefit
b) Revenue is certainly a net positive effect, but not the "we're helping save the game" ego-boosting feeling that Frontier won't disillusion people of deliberately: Powerplay and Trailblazers and similar have been the big ones there.
I see what you're saying, I just think it's good for the game and given the potential for evil withina pay to win business model, what we have is really benign and I do trust FD not to cross any really crazy lines. The CG thing was cheeky, but come on, a business is making money, as long as that is compatible with you getting what you want, where it isn't, money comes first, cos of course it does.
I honestly think paid ships are a net benefit, not least of all from the youtube content they generate.If a boycott succeeded and somehow not a single person will buy the PC2 going forward, all that would happen is that they would probably release it to credits a little earlier.
They would then try again and release another ship or two. If somehow nobody bought those either, they would probably stop releasing new ships.
Either way, whether people buy new ships or not, it’s not going to determine if the game itself continues, it will probably only determine if we get any more ships or not.
I for one love getting new ships. If releasing them for EA for a while before the in game credit release is the price for that, I’m more than happy with that!
Hopefully more new features get released as well.
They would then try again and release another ship or two. If somehow nobody bought those either, they would probably stop releasing new ships.
Either way, whether people buy new ships or not, it’s not going to determine if the game itself continues, it will probably only determine if we get any more ships or not.
I for one love getting new ships. If releasing them for EA for a while before the in game credit release is the price for that, I’m more than happy with that!
Hopefully more new features get released as well.
Boycotts on such a trivial matter never work. Back in the day there was this saying that when the last petrol station was closed you'd realize that Greenpeace doesn't sell beer at night. Meaning people only boycott even publically or socially important stuff or if it doesn't inconvenience them. Now imagine something as unimportant as selling a game asset for money.
They have access to the Mistress Of Minions...Sadly NPCs haven’t bought Odyssey or ARX, they only have access to credits
Yes, very much this please. Do release the new ships to NPCs in great abundance. I don’t know why the hold up with this? Even more cutters and vettes outside of CZs or specific missions would be nice. Why do they insist on limiting variety so much?
I have seen both Mandalays and Cobras being flown by NPCs a while ago - before the Corsair release, I thinkj, but somehow this seems to have stopped.
I think it was the French who invented this word. Also parliament.
The word is named after Captain Charles Boycott, agent of an absentee landlord in Ireland.
To be fair good business by definition is not exactly good for us. Good business is getting the most revenue for the lowest possible cost. That's why you need the counter balance of consumers who actually care about their own monetary interest to balance whats "good for business"
Not a fan of paying for ships in a 10 year old game. I buy skins, and cockpit accessories. The Panther Clipper may bring me back to colonization which is a boring haulfest, simply because it will diminish tasks I do not enjoy to access the build theory crafting of colonization. I will wait for it to be free though. Lots of other cool games to play at the moment...
Repeat after me: there is no other game except Elite: Dangerous.WHAT?!!! BLASPHEMY! Moderators, man the ban hammer!
Sorry, I couldn't resist...
Now excuse me while I spend my time on a metal festival.
On topic: a boycott is absurd imho, regarding the numbers Ian often repeats. If you could only buy ships like in that other space tech demo, then ok. But you can wait the 3 months out and get a PC then, you can even survive without the magic racks.
But you do you
Don't lie to us. You've boycotted your tenth Panther Clipper. Until Tuesday. 2029.Repeat after me: there is no other game except Elite: Dangerous.Playingdoing anything else is sacrilege.
Now excuse me while I spend my time on a metal festival.
On topic: a boycott is absurd imho, regarding the numbers Ian often repeats. If you could only buy ships like in that other space tech demo, then ok. But you can wait the 3 months out and get a PC then, you can even survive without the magic racks.
But you do you
Ooh right, it was 'sabotage' what I meant
