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I can't believe I went to bed, and got up...and this post is still going! thank you Moderators for showing some tolerance and letting people vent their (justifiable) frustration with "Code."

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Justifiable to the venters, of course. It's just when it becomes personal insults getting thrown across the room, it should promptly stop.

And what is the relevancy of the image, precisely?

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Mhuahaha if it's true it's priceless. And actually I think it is, as the guy describes exactly what that speed hack does. "Oooh but we have honor and rules and stuff". Just not that of the game, it seems.

BTW I loved the protest attempt after the request for using the speed hack. "Would you be offended?" "Yes!", followed by short bursts of "no, nonono".

Guess we know what "code" stands for, now, he :p

Like I mentioned, it's a joke.

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No I mean the post here linking to the footage. I can't seem to see it, it may be still there and I'm just going blind. It's just it strikes me as odd a mod would remove it.

If there's actual evidence of one of us hacking, I would love to see it and have the honor to personally terminate him/her/it from the group.
 
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Haha, awesome indeed. I really can't give my opinion on these "people" on this site but that image made me grin ;)

You can, it's just if you convey your ideas in a non-offensive manner, people might actually listen to you and consider what you have to say.
 
Like I said, we don't hack.

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Interesting poem.

When I posted it I was quite pleased with myself - but looking at it again it doesn't work as well as I thought.

But thanks anyway!

Although I find myself unconvinced by some of the answers you're giving - I have to give you credit for your attempt to deal with this maelstrom of lurrrvve towards the Code.

Unless of course we're some kind of project! You've made no secret of the fact that you are studying - we're not some kind of project/homework are we?!
 
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The thing is, people find complaining and whining more productive than forming a wing to escort traders.

Being an avid trader i have come at odds with CODE, EIC, CS and a whole host of independent pirates many many times. The only reason they are so effective is because they plan better and are better organized. Believe me, I know how much it sucks to be in a helpless trade vessel and blown out of the sky. It is the sole reason I now use my accumulated wealth from trading to be a thorn in these groups sides. If the trading community wants to better combat these groups at CG's they need to become better organized. Instead of being reactive we need to be proactive. They will show up in one form or another. If the cargo is valuable they will likely pirate. If the cargo is worthless they will likely blockade. Either way they will come, maybe not the first day, maybe not the second. But they will. Their reasons for coming and the actions they take are besides the point. A better organized trading community would solve a lot of these issues. From a CMDR police force that is willing, ready and waiting to deal with these groups. Even if they are just stuck in endless PvP, the distraction allows traders to get through at a higher rate. The bounty hunters, white knights and all other sort of anti "them" eventually show up but always as a reaction to them being there. In the case of Hutton it was really bad because they were already there and the closest help was 1.5 hrs away at best (it took me 2.5 hrs to get there from what I was doing).

Do they use flawed game mechanics to get the upper hand?

Yes.

Are they attacking defenseless ships that have no chance at defending themselves?

Yes.

Is what they are doing generally considering scumbag-ish?

Yes.

Is the game flawed in and inept and dealing with these incursions?

Yes.

Should FD do more to balance these issues?

Yes.

Does any of it matter?

No!

For all these things they do it can be done equally back to them. The same flawed game mechanics they use to get the upper hand can be used by traders...ie...blocking pads, inept NPC police, ect ect. The same concepts and strategies can be used to combat them.

Now believe me..When I watch these Twitch Streams that show an endless murder of trade ships it ruffles my feathers and that is why I get in my combat ship and take it right back to them. That is the best way to control the effect they have is to take the fight directly back at them.

TLDR? Take control of the situation and do something about it!

If the CG is still going I will be out there again...doing what I do. Good luck CMDRs and for better or worse I will see you in the black!
 
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When I posted it I was quite pleased with myself - but looking at it again it doesn't work as well as I thought.

But thanks anyway!

Although I find myself unconvinced by some of the answers you're giving - I have to give you credit for your attempt to deal with this maelstrom or lurrrvve towards the Code.

Unless of course we're some kind of project! You've made no secret of the fact that you are studying - we're not some kind of project/homework are we?!

Did you not see the previous thread on the subject? The whole of ED is a social experiment! :p
 

Since we are the ones declaring our identity, I think we reserve the right to define it, as well. It fits into traditional frame work in the sense that pirates do blockade ports in history.

Interesting input, though.

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By Hackurrate presentation of the facts?

Pm me the video please.

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Hah. Ok, I hackcept that.

All this hackcosting of traders and denying hackcess to the outpost. Unhackceptable. Someone needs to have a "hackcident"..

​I'll stop now.

Please send me the video in PM please.

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"That speed is too low

Can he go faster, he asks

No one's offended.
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Yup. I just made a Hacku.

Fascinating.

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It still made people believe that code is infested with cheaters. Just look at the last few pages, this is exactly the reason why such links are not allowed.

True, it just creates rumors, which is the basis of a lot of people's comments in this thread venting.

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"It's a long way to Hutton

Hack is fine

Combat loggers!!"




Well it was on Teamspeak, one guy mentioned using it and the others were (to paraphrase) "yeah fine".

Which would imply it's condoned? I'm not sure it's the poster's fault if people are thinking Code are using hacks.

PM me the video please.

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Let me guess; you also wish for respect. Or do you just embrace your self-loathing?

I think he's conveying the idea that piracy as a profession does not promote fair fights in the sense that it is ineffective. If it is a one on one duel agreed upon beforehand, of course anyone should, and Code will honor it.

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Which was not my intention, I was hoping to get an explanation from the code members (hence why it was directed to fang [and nonya in a seperate thread]) as to how they explain that compared to their "we are playing fair" defence.

Please everyone stop assuming they are all guilty by association, if you found out one of your friendslist was hacking would you immediately turn them in? If yes carry on being morally outraged.

Please send me the video in PM, thank you.
 
Why do you say it violated the rules of the original competition? The conditions said it should not be in a place that already has a Rare Good. It does not say it must not be in a place that already has a Rare good. By this wording, FD wanted to discourage this, but was willing to consider it if it seemed valid for the place that was recommended. Otherwise they would have put must not or mustn't instead of shouldn't. In other words the term should meant it wasn't a hard and fast rule, but rather a guideline.
 
I've watched several streams from players of CODE and SDC the last few days. I've watched them operate around Hutton Orbital.
Here is what I have seen them doing:
* Interdicted players, in a wing, so it's a 4-on-1 battle
* No warnings or demands sent to the player, sometimes a condescending egotistical message
* The player is then attacked by 4 members of CODE or SDC, members of whom are interchangeable
* No cargo is collected
* Players being killed are often not wanted or have a bounty or often not even have weapons
* If the player escapes into supercruise, he is chased down and the whole situation starts all over again. The player is then reported for "hacking"if they switch to solo mode or open (an attempt to complain about combat logging)
* If a CODE or SDC member is getting beaten, they run away.

This is not pirate roleplaying. It is griefing. There is no other description.

Legitimate pirate roleplaying in Elite Dangerous involves asking for cargo, and if given, leaving the player alone. It involves scanning to see what cargo the player has (before asking for cargo).

CODE and SDC can justify it all they want, but they are bullies, and not nice people who do not play fair. They have been caught cheating (using a hacked client) and have been reported to Frontier.

I play in Solo mode or a private group precisely because of players like these. I am not scared of them, but I am not letting them spoil my game. Their loss, not mine.
 
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(* The code spokesperson speaks of tolerance, but what they're talking about is more akin to the heckler's veto. Saying someone is intolerant for saying you're a naughty boy doesn't make your actions any less naughty. Nor is it intolerance to struggle against people who are trying to interfere with your game-play and destroy your accomplishments in-game. It's poor philosophy indeed when the best you can do is "I'm rubber, you're glue" kind of arguments like what amount to: "it's mean of you to stop me from being mean to you" which is basically what the griefers are saying)

Try constructive empiricism, again, very busy here.

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Shouldn't that read :- 'couldn't do effective blockade, QQ over Frontier doing a scrap CG, can't handle not being centre of attention, admit to hacks in twitch feed'?

Please provide the video of actual hacking footage in PM as I already explained that it was a joke made by Majin.

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Yeah, I heard that, too. "Does anyone mind if I use my speed hack? It instantly accelerates me to 4000C."

Loose lips sink... integrity.

Lol I want to see it happening.
 
Thanks for responding Gluttony, however I was not implying that Maj was the one hacking, the person mentioning the hack was clearly not Maj as he had an american Accent (while I believe Maj is British?), he is also not the one playing as he is talking about flying to Hutton while Maj is clearly already there having fun. I'll trust you to look into it and sorry for stiring up the nest here.

p.s give Maj a rum or whatever you use for rep on your forum from me as I will admit to enjoying his videos.

Yes, Maj is British, and I will convey your appreciation as soon as possible.

I will investigate the situation further and update the issue since we take hacking very seriously and do not tolerate it whatsoever.

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You clearly haven't even bothered to watch the footage. That's how seriously you take it.

I think it got removed, please PM me the link.

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You quoted it in your previous post.

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=181622&p=2798343&viewfull=1#post2798343 cliffson, im sure mod will extract that link soon and remove

Please PM me the video.
 
We are not deliberately being annoying, and we care. We have a complaint forum and communicate before advancing with our methods.

Sorry, but I'm not sure I buy this. You can't be benefitting much financially from a blockade, so we can only assume the reason for the blockade is "because there are people there to stop". And if you weren't aware that people were annoyed by this, you are now. If you care, stop. If you don't stop, you don't care. Words & actions need to align.

While I admire the fact that you have a complaint forum, it does seem a bit Vogon to me:

Vogons said:
There’s no point acting all surprised about it. All the demolition orders have been on display in your local planning department in Alpha Centauri for fifty of your Earth years, so you’ve had plenty of time to lodge any formal complaint and it’s far too late to start making a fuss about it now.
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What do you mean you’ve never been to Alpha Centauri? For heaven’s sake mankind, it’s only four light years away you know. I’m sorry, but if you can’t be bothered to take an interest in local affairs that’s your own lookout. Energize the demolition beams

Having a PvE open mode is less effective than a flag system, but this is not the place to discuss that, so I'll drop it here.

There needs to be something. Some kind of opt-in/opt-out which lets everyone play their own way. As it stands, people are getting increasingly annoyed - either with the PvP, or with the reaction to it in the various fora.
 
Pm me the video please.

Please send me the video in PM please.


PM me the video please.

Please send me the video in PM, thank you.

Okay okay geez :p I admire your dedication to responding to each post ;)

PM'd

Apologies for any perceived accusatory tone in my subsequent posts, that was not intended. This is a game I play for fun afterall.
 
When I posted it I was quite pleased with myself - but looking at it again it doesn't work as well as I thought.

But thanks anyway!

Although I find myself unconvinced by some of the answers you're giving - I have to give you credit for your attempt to deal with this maelstrom of lurrrvve towards the Code.

Unless of course we're some kind of project! You've made no secret of the fact that you are studying - we're not some kind of project/homework are we?!

Bahaha... trust me, I want to get my political science thesis paper, discrete probability homework, programming interface lab, more than 300 pages of dense philosophical and political theory works, a closing for my mock trial club, a python programming lab, and much much more done before Friday...

And I really wonder why is the progress so slow...
 
Why do you say it violated the rules of the original competition? The conditions said it should not be in a place that already has a Rare Good. It does not say it must not be in a place that already has a Rare good. By this wording, FD wanted to discourage this, but was willing to consider it if it seemed valid for the place that was recommended. Otherwise they would have put must not or mustn't instead of shouldn't. In other words the term should meant it wasn't a hard and fast rule, but rather a guideline.

I think their goals are irrelevant. They want to have power and show it, they want to play the game the way they like to. And they are perfectly right to do so, unless FDEV says otherwise and introduces mechanics to stop them.

It has been said many times before, if their behaviour annoys someone he should organize an ANTICODE group to fight them. That would actually be emergent gameplay, instead we got 23 pages of whiny comments and discussions about ethics and morals. Funnily enough the same people who questions CODES ethics in a VIDEO GAME are eager to insult them and use abusive language in a REAL discussion platform.

PS One last comment about their goals... They are just as stupid as the whole community goal. It's bascially just a giant joke (don't get me wrong, I participated aswell).
 
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Just because players can use solo or group mode to evade us doesn't mean that our efforts are meaningless.

I don't think you have an understanding of our affiliation with other groups, but feel free to comment.

Your blockade was and is meaningless, it fails to achieve any blockade goals, so, as stated before, it isn't a blockade, just a sorry excuse to be as disruptive as possible.

And I think I understand your affiliation perfectly, your groups inability to admit to said affiliation(s) speaks volumes.
 
I've watched several streams from players of CODE and SDC the last few days. I've watched them operate around Hutton Orbital.
Here is what I have seen them doing:
* Interdicted players, in a wing, so it's a 4-on-1 battle
* No warnings or demands sent to the player, sometimes a condescending egotistical message
* The player is then attacked by 4 members of CODE or SDC, members of whom are interchangeable
* No cargo is collected
* Players being killed are often not wanted or have a bounty or often not even have weapons
* If the player escapes into supercruise, he is chased down and the whole situation starts all over again. The player is then reported for "hacking"if they switch to solo mode or open (an attempt to complain about combat logging)
* If a CODE or SDC member is getting beaten, they run away.

This is not pirate roleplaying. It is griefing. There is no other description.

Legitimate pirate roleplaying in Elite Dangerous involves asking for cargo, and if given, leaving the player alone. It involves scanning to see what cargo the player has (before asking for cargo).

CODE and SDC can justify it all they want, but they are bullies, and not nice people who do not play fair. They have been caught cheating (using a hacked client) and have been reported to Frontier.

I play in Solo mode or a private group precisely because of players like these. I am not scared of them, but I am not letting them spoil my game. Their loss, not mine.

I was not present at the operation. But I would like to address a few points.

*Interdict players in a wing is to secure effectiveness and fear factor

*From what I am aware and saw, there were repeated warning in super cruise, after interdiction and at the station.

*Code and SDC are not interchangeable, the fundamental ideologies of the two groups are different.

*We are blockading, not pirating.

*Because they don't listen or read our warnings. We had a Cobra where we messaged him directly three times in super cruise, then interdict him, warn him again, he boosts and gets his drives taken out, then we message him a final time, then he gets blown up. No responses from him whatsoever, but surely, seconds after, we found him posting on reddit saying that we are grieving. I cannot name and shame here, unfortunately.

*So... we are suppose to sit there and get blown up by opposition, why?

This isn't a piracy operation, this is a blockade operation carried out by pirates.

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Indeed.

And we reserve the right to point at it and laugh if it's as ridiculous as the justifications you posted for intervening in the CG :)

Surely you do, hence why I'm telling everyone to interpret it as they will.
 
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