Boycotting community events

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I've encountered the CODE before, and I have to say, my first encounter was in fact an exciting one. I was flying a T6 on a rare run when I got interdicted by an Imperial Clipper. He demanded I drop cargo.

I'd gotten my T6 to maximize its speed and had outrun pirated before, so I took my chances running. But failed to realize the mass lock factor and the fact the Clipper is the second fastest ship in space (also the whole jump to another system trick).

So I ran, and I got shot at. I watched in horror as my shields died and then my hull started taking damage. I was never going to make it. And then... then my ship started spinning, drifting dead in space. He'd targetted and shot out my drives.

Obviously, in this position I went "Um, on second thought... here." and gave him my cargo. He left me alone (we even chatted a bit) and I repaired my drives and limped to the station.

This I actually chalked up to a very positive encounter. It was thrilling, I was beaten, and I was allowed to live to fly another day (no way this guy knew I was playing a version of IronMan, but if he had, I could have potentially been back to Sidewinder). I actively saluted him the next time I saw him.

Then there was the Cerberus Plague, where I encountered a blockade by people who were shouting out that the plague had to be allowed to burn, and that only the rich were getting the medical supplies. I had no problem with this, either. I managed to avoid them a couple times, got interdicted and escaped a couple of times, but the fact was it kind of added something to the event, and there were enough players around to organize and fight back too.


This blockade of Hutton has none of that going for it.


So far I haven't seen any word of anyone just having their drives shot out, and re-demanding the jettisoning of all cargo. I'm only hearing about ship destruction.

My encounters happened a few minutes from my last station stop, not an hour and a half. You might say it's just a game, but if I spend an hour and a half building a house of cards and you knock it over just before I put the tip top on, shouting "Earthquake!" you can't just say "well, they're just cards" and expect that to be a valid reason for me not to bop you in the beak. Both are douchebag moves, and can only be considered douchebag moves to anyone who isn't the douchebag in question.

I'd go so far as to call it MAXIMUM ;)

[video=youtube;FQyLkMRgLJE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQyLkMRgLJE[/video]​

It's no different than intercepting and destroying an explorer who's come back after a month of collecting data. There is NO gain to be had from the one doing the destroying other than the joy of seeing another's effort turn to dust, regardless of your RP justification.

The "reasons" given, both in-game and metagame wise are laughable, as pointed out by just about everyone here.
 
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Sorry, but I'm not sure I buy this. You can't be benefitting much financially from a blockade, so we can only assume the reason for the blockade is "because there are people there to stop". And if you weren't aware that people were annoyed by this, you are now. If you care, stop. If you don't stop, you don't care. Words & actions need to align.

You seem to be ignoring that we are trying to stop the CG. The objective is to stop the CG, the method is to stop people, please do not confuse the two.

The reason why we are communicating is precisely that we care.

While I admire the fact that you have a complaint forum, it does seem a bit Vogon to me:
Not sure what the reference is.



There needs to be something. Some kind of opt-in/opt-out which lets everyone play their own way. As it stands, people are getting increasingly annoyed - either with the PvP, or with the reaction to it in the various fora.

Hence why a flag system for PvE and PvP people in Open.

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Okay okay geez :p I admire your dedication to responding to each post ;)

PM'd

Apologies for any perceived accusatory tone in my subsequent posts, that was not intended. This is a game I play for fun afterall.

Thank you for your cooperation.
 
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Please provide the video of actual hacking footage in PM as I already explained that it was a joke made by Majin.

Oh you 'explained it', that is that settled then, (not), a joke?, having seen the video and the part referring to hacking, that is some weird sense of humour you and your kin have going on there.
 
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Precisely why I am taking in the input so I can have a formal report on the matter and hold a meeting on the issue, and take disciplinary actions against members that are out of line. I am in the stage of evidence collecting.

There is definitely room for improvement here, as the community pointed out, and I am trying to distinguish personal attacks from constructive feedback.

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Oh you 'explained it', that is that settled then, (not), a joke?, having seen the video and the part referring to hacking, that is some weird sense of humour you and your kin have going on there.

Like I explained earlier, we are a PvP focused group, we run into hackers/cheaters much more often than probably any other player group, thus we like to make fun of said cheaters in jocular ways.
 
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You seem to be ignoring that we are trying to stop the CG. The objective is to stop the CG, the method is to stop people, please do not confuse the two.

It has obviously escaped your attention that the CG had already achieved it's goal of creating a Rare Good, even before the CODE got involved in trying to stop it.
 
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I was not present at the operation. But I would like to address a few points.

*Interdict players in a wing is to secure effectiveness and fear factor

*From what I am aware and saw, there were repeated warning in super cruise, after interdiction and at the station.

*Code and SDC are not interchangeable, the fundamental ideologies of the two groups are different.

*We are blockading, not pirating.

*Because they don't listen or read our warnings. We had a Cobra where we messaged him directly three times in super cruise, then interdict him, warn him again, he boosts and gets his drives taken out, then we message him a final time, then he gets blown up. No responses from him whatsoever, but surely, seconds after, we found him posting on reddit saying that we are grieving. I cannot name and shame here, unfortunately.

*So... we are suppose to sit there and get blown up by opposition, why?

This isn't a piracy operation, this is a blockade operation carried out by pirates.

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Surely you do, hence why I'm telling everyone to interpret it as they will.
I take it you are representing CODE or some other group?
The members are interchangeable, I have seen it. Before you ask me to PM you the video, it is there on various CODE & SDC members streams for anyone to see. All they have to do is watch.

What I have seen happening by known members of CODE and SDC is not a blockade, it is griefing. Don't insult our intelligence by calling it something else.

Anyway, I tend to get too involved in these passionate discussions, so I've given my opinion, you replied, I replied to you, and I have no doubt you'll reply to this. I won't be replying to this thread any more, I have said what I wish to say.
 
I really am sorry so many people are taking offense at this action taken by Code. Really. They can't help themselves. It's who they are. People do not have to accept moral ineptitude, they COULD fight against it. However, I do have a way to allow this to never occur again!

Let's just get FDev to remove PVP from the Open part of the game..so we can get down to the real tasks at hand, the application of determination against the NPC hordes to remove their PVE goodies from them and turn them in.

PVP in Open has led to nothing more than forced PVP on those that do not wish to abide by it. The only proper response, MORE PVP, forces those that do not want to PVP to play against their desired play style.

So come on community, let's rally here. What do we want? ONLY PVE! When do we want it? NOW!
 
Sorry, but I'm not sure I buy this. You can't be benefitting much financially from a blockade, so we can only assume the reason for the blockade is "because there are people there to stop". And if you weren't aware that people were annoyed by this, you are now. If you care, stop. If you don't stop, you don't care. Words & actions need to align.

While I admire the fact that you have a complaint forum, it does seem a bit Vogon to me:





There needs to be something. Some kind of opt-in/opt-out which lets everyone play their own way. As it stands, people are getting increasingly annoyed - either with the PvP, or with the reaction to it in the various fora.

There are other gamemodes, so you can just blip into solo/private, and avoid the code, dock, undock, and go about your merry business.
 
Like I explained earlier, we are a PvP focused group, we run into hackers/cheaters much more often than probably any other player group, thus we like to make fun of said cheaters in jocular ways.

You really expect me, or anyone on these boards to buy this shabby cover-up you are attempting, please give us a little credit.
 
I really am sorry so many people are taking offense at this action taken by Code. Really. They can't help themselves. It's who they are. People do not have to accept moral ineptitude, they COULD fight against it. However, I do have a way to allow this to never occur again!

Let's just get FDev to remove PVP from the Open part of the game..so we can get down to the real tasks at hand, the application of determination against the NPC hordes to remove their PVE goodies from them and turn them in.

PVP in Open has led to nothing more than forced PVP on those that do not wish to abide by it. The only proper response, MORE PVP, forces those that do not want to PVP to play against their desired play style.

So come on community, let's rally here. What do we want? ONLY PVE! When do we want it? NOW!

HAha, I think this belongs in the Open/Solo thread :) Besides, many of the Cmdrs here play in Open by choice.. even if they are complaining.
 
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So I guess this thread implies that everyone is in agreement that NPCs should start carrying valuable commodities again in order for pirates to have something better to do.

Right?
 
It has obviously escaped your attention that the CG had already achieved it's goal of creating a Rare Good, even before the CODE got involved in trying to stop it.

I also address this earlier in the sense that we won't be able to pirate it often due to distance from where we normally operate.

But this is just what I understand from what I've read of the announcement, which was not written by me.

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So I guess this thread implies that everyone is in agreement that NPCs should start carrying valuable commodities again in order for pirates to have something better to do.

Right?

As if FD would reverse that "manually removed high value cargo from NPC."

You don't know the face I had when I read that patch note and how far my chair flew across my room.
 
*We are blockading, not pirating.

True that - just watched a little of the Majinvash stream and after destroying a dropship cargo was available but not taken.

*Because they don't listen or read our warnings. We had a Cobra where we messaged him directly three times in super cruise, then interdict him, warn him again, he boosts and gets his drives taken out, then we message him a final time, then he gets blown up. No responses from him whatsoever, but surely, seconds after, we found him posting on reddit saying that we are IRRITATING. I cannot name and shame here, unfortunately.

FTFY.
 
Your blockade was and is meaningless, it fails to achieve any blockade goals, so, as stated before, it isn't a blockade, just a sorry excuse to be as disruptive as possible.

And I think I understand your affiliation perfectly, your groups inability to admit to said affiliation(s) speaks volumes.

Result is different from efforts put forth, and sometimes the latter means more than the former. I've already said that.

Our affiliation with other player groups are kept relatively confidential out of the request of said player groups, as you are aware, we tend to be the public enemy in Elite Dangerous. Just as any anonymous donation, some people don't want to be known to support certain opinions or groups due to their interaction with the public and fear of their own reputation.
 
Precisely why I am taking in the input so I can have a formal report on the matter and hold a meeting on the issue, and take disciplinary actions against members that are out of line. I am in the stage of evidence collecting.

There is definitely room for improvement here, as the community pointed out, and I am trying to distinguish personal attacks from constructive feedback.

Now now... no reason it can't be both. :D Your people are, after all, knocking down a lot of card houses at the very last minute. That hatred IS constructive feedback - namely, "knock it off you bloody douchebags." That's a clear indication that as a PR move this is an utter disaster, unlike the other piracy/blockades I mentioned in my previous example, which affected me negatively in terms of losing cargo or being diverted from my destination, but I walked away from positively in that I had an exciting time and didn't feel like I was the victim of a worm stomp.

Now, if the CG at Hutton Orbital was to bring supplies for the construction of a new Farragut-class Battle Cruiser, that would be a different matter. But it's not. It's mugs.

And if the objective is to stop the CG, then it failed... like even before it started. The only difference left to make is whether 35 or 50 mugs can be sold at a time (I think those are the numbers). And as a mod pointed out earlier, having fewer rares produced actually hurts potential piracy in the future. So, again, more fail on top of fail.

You've lost whatever good will some of your members had managed to create (again, see my previous example).

Piracy and blockading CAN be exciting PVP events, both for those who can fight back and those who can only try and run. Granted there will be some with thin skin that will always cry foul regardless of the circumstances in which it happens, but then there are those like me who think it adds something to the game when it's done right.

This has been a disaster from the start, and it doesn't take a genius to see why, or a medium to have forrseen it.

And the fact it hasn't been called off at any point, but rather to see it through and THEN see if mistakes were made is kind of willful blindness given the comments you're getting here and in Reddit.
 
Our affiliation with other player groups are kept relatively confidential out of the request of said player groups, as you are aware, we tend to be the public enemy in Elite Dangerous. Just as any anonymous donation, some people don't want to be known to support certain opinions or groups due to their interaction with the public and fear of their own reputation.

Doesn't that in itself tell you something then?
 
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Doesn't that in itself tell you something then?

It does, by telling me that morality is so oppressive that people cannot express themselves openly.

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Eh???

It's in the post I linked to above. I'll link again!

https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=181622&p=2798343&viewfull=1#post2798343

The Cliffson quote the Twitch link, at the time indicated.

Got it, someone Pmed me, as well. I will be investigating this later this evening since no one's on TS right now. I'll update on the situation as soon as possible. Like I said, we do not tolerate cheating whatsoever.
 
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