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Oh please, if the majority think you are acting like jerks, guess what, you are probably acting like jerks.

And this is why you're a perfect example of a person who completely and totally submit to societal norms and mainstream morality, and the side effect of it is showing.

there has to come a time where, if enough people are telling you that you are being disruptive, destructive, anti-social, whatever, that you stop screaming 'you, the vast majority are all wrong' and start looking in the bloody mirror.

We aren't claiming the majority is "wrong," please do not play strawman as that it isn't productive.

We merely ask for reconciliation between the differences. I do not believe in "right" and "wrong" since they are very vague terms that don't hold much meaning.
 
CMDR, your comms are breaking up! Go again, I say go again!



Message received. Righto CMDR.

Now the code can claim their actions had an effect not just on the Hutton CG, but on ALL CG's. That is a lot of influence they have!

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And this is why you're a perfect example of a person who completely and totally submit to societal norms and mainstream morality, and the side effect of it is showing.



We aren't claiming the majority is "wrong," please do not play strawman as that it isn't productive.

We merely ask for reconciliation between the differences. I do not believe in "right" and "wrong" since they are very vague terms that don't hold much meaning.

Whats your Cmdr Name?
 
Difference is they are allowed to PK in game, personal attacks and unfounded accusations are prohibited on the forum. The two are not the same thing.
There is PKing and griefing: if they were in it for the PK they would be killing people BEFORE they made the 90min SC trip. This is is an example of griefing. The two are not the same thing.
 
There is PKing and griefing: if they were in it for the PK they would be killing people BEFORE they made the 90min SC trip. This is is an example of griefing. The two are not the same thing.

Then report them to FD. I am sure they will punish them "accordingly", ie. Not at all...

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Cmdr Gluttony Fang

kk, I think you guys deserve a reward for all your relentless work in the community. Ill msg you when I am back in the bubble...
 
There is PKing and griefing: if they were in it for the PK they would be killing people BEFORE they made the 90min SC trip. This is is an example of griefing. The two are not the same thing.

We can't exactly kill them after the 90 min trip if we don't travel 90 min ourselves. Plus we do warn people.
 
Since that is the case, what separates one morality from another?

The personal interests and convictions of the individual. So I wouldn't call them equivalent, because "value" in itself is a subjective term and has no absolute standard.

And when that point is made clear, people should stop calling "real life" as an excuse, since the same rules don't apply to them. In fact, given the benefits that commanders enjoy in the game's world as far as we are aware, I have a lot of doubts that even half of the people complaining would have the humanitarian focused morality to not end up oppressing others in order to pursue their goals, have they had this sort of power and freedom of act.

Sorry Gluttony, but Hutton was too far away and I couldn't bring my diamondback scout over to ram you with it. :(
 
Then report them to FD. I am sure they will punish them "accordingly", ie. Not at all...
Exactly my point, they will happily let the griefing continue but you shall receive much warnings should you say a bad word on the forum.
 
kk, I think you guys deserve a reward for all your relentless work in the community. Ill msg you when I am back in the bubble...

Thank you for your appreciation.

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Exactly my point, they will happily let the griefing continue but you shall receive much warnings should you say a bad word on the forum.

Like I said earlier, insulting people isn't productive.
 
And this is why you're a perfect example of a person who completely and totally submit to societal norms and mainstream morality, and the side effect of it is showing.



We aren't claiming the majority is "wrong," please do not play strawman as that it isn't productive.

We merely ask for reconciliation between the differences. I do not believe in "right" and "wrong" since they are very vague terms that don't hold much meaning.

Guess what, societal norms gave us many things, in terms of what is socially acceptable, laws and much more, for THE MAJORITY those that pervert and deviate from these norms and laws of acceptability are shunned, and rightly so.

And failing to believe in 'right or wrong' speaks volumes as well as your previous words on this subject.
 


So don't assume we subscribe to the mainstream morality here.

I'm curious: If you don't subscribe to the mainstream morality, why does it bother you how those who follow it call you and your group? I assume that it bothers you because I get the impression since you reply to all those postings and you are trying to justify your actions (it looks like that to me).

Wouldn't somebody who doesn't agree with the moral system of a group simply ignore that group, especially since the larger group has absolutely no way to enforce their moral concepts onto you?

Or do you subscribe to the mainstream morality and you just want others to assume you do? That would be an interesting twist in the plot of this thread.

Have fun*


*) unless fun involves trying to pirate me, shoot me or otherwise make my gameplay less fun for me
 
This is a logical fallacy, the appeal to the majority. The actual "majority" of people probably were in solo, never encountered them and do not care.

No it is not, why are people in solo in the first place?, look back through this thread, I could go on.
 
Guess what, societal norms gave us many things, in terms of what is socially acceptable, laws and much more, for THE MAJORITY those that pervert and deviate from these norms and laws of acceptability are shunned, and rightly so.

And failing to believe in 'right or wrong' speaks volumes as well as your previous words on this subject.

Your current moral standards were anything but "norms" a mere 80 years ago.

Fun fact, it has been less than 200 years since the abolition of slavery in the "civilized" world.

Womens' rights activing were called eccentric.

And let's not go in worker's rights. ;)

Etc,etc.

Both progress and backpedalling comes from radicals. Normality and mediocrity never takes a step forward or a step back.
 
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Exactly my point, they will happily let the griefing continue but you shall receive much warnings should you say a bad word on the forum.

They are letting this discussion happen, no one would give you an infraction for complaining, it is only when people make direct claims or make juvenile attacks (not saying you did, it is just the way it is on nearly all well moderated forums), that is why there is no naming and shaming of commanders.
 
Difference is they are allowed to PK in game, personal attacks and unfounded accusations are prohibited on the forum. The two are not the same thing.

And that's why this issue arises because you and others like you just can't see anything wrong with a gameplay mechanic that favours the player pirate over the player trader.

They don't need you - but you need them.

Yet you expect them to want to play victim in an encounter stacked completely against the way they want to play.
 
Your current moral standards were anything but "norms" a mere 80 years ago.

Fun fact, it has been less than 200 years since the abolition of slavery in the "civilized" world.

Womens' rights activing were called eccentric.

And let's not go in worker's rights. ;)

Etc,etc.

Well thanks for that Einstein, so glad you were able to educate me, now if we could get back to the point, which incidentally, is happening now and not 80 years ago.....
 
Your current moral standards were anything but "norms" a mere 80 years ago.

Fun fact, it has been less than 200 years since the abolition of slavery in the "civilized" world.

That is a good point. What ARE the "societal norms" in a world where slavery is mostly legal. How can one still make claims about the morality of attacking traders. Well what if i decide to go around killing people who deal in slaves, as some form of RP. Am I just griefing "honest" traders. It seems we can cherry pick morality all we want...

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And that's why this issue arises because you and others like you just can't see anything wrong with a gameplay mechanic that favours the player pirate over the player trader.

They don't need you - but you need them.

Yet you expect them to want to play victim in an encounter stacked completely against the way they want to play.

It does not favor the pirate. I have made about a million in piracy if that. I made 200 million trading, all in Open Play. Lost about 400k to pirates, NONE of whom destroyed me. You don't have to play their victim. I would always play in Open BY CHOICE, because I wanted the thrill of the chase. FD provided game modes so you can just avoid them like a 100 percent effective cloak.
 
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If you look above you'll see where I outlined two personal examples, one of piracy and one of blockading, where I walked away from it as a positive experience. I'm all for piracy by players and blockading of systems. And, in fact, I'm sure a lot of other people here don't mind it either, when it's for legit (non Griefing) reasons.

But this isn't one of those cases, as has been clearly demonstrated.

The only time I consider something griefing is if you are exploiting mechanics to cause some sort of harm to another player. If it's within the game's intended mechanics, it's not griefing. Most of this community would disagree with me. I don't consider CODE's blockade of a community goal to be griefing, I consider it an organized counter-effort and that is exactly what makes sandbox games great.
 
It does not favor the pirate. I have made about a million in piracy if that. I made 200 million trading, all in Open Play. Lost about 400k to pirates, NONE of whom destroyed me. You don't have to play their victim. I would always play in Open BY CHOICE, because I wanted the thrill of the chase. FD provided game modes so you can just avoid them like a 100 percent effective cloak.

To quote Captain Jack Sparrow - Not all treasure is silver and gold, mate. It does favor the pirate, just not financially.
 
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