Yeah, I also didn't mean that to suggest that I didn't approve of the MWM idea; as you say, it's quite a different beast and I think MWM events will "feel" separate enough that it shouldn't be a problem.
Fantastic idea, I love it!
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There were literally several thousand, manually-placed, moving pieces...
This sounds familiar.
There is no massive gap in the middle there, you hear me? Nothing of the sort...
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I love this discussion about how we all play. I think it epitomizes the reality that we're trying to work with as race organizers; specifically that no set of rules about when or how to run races is going to create an all-inclusive experience. (At least, that's my take on what I'm reading. ) I'm of the opinion that people will race when they want to race, and there are simply too many outside variables for us to expect to influence attendance.
Two races exist that can be run at any time...and they're successful. The A* Challenge is successful because it can be done at any time, and people say to themselves, "I wanted to go there anyway...might as well try the race." The Black Riband is similar, with people saying to themselves, "I'm already doing that anyway...might as well try the race."
ElectricZ's events are successful because of nostalgia, but also because many of them are relevant. During Beta, the races related to a larger unlocked playing field, while BBR9 was associated with travelling to a new station; both of which come back to "I wanted to go there anyway...might as well try the race."
Beyond that the BRC races are mostly racing races, catering to most of us here as dedicated racers. We seek to understand the rules of the race, the nature of the course, and the limits of our capabilities; then we go out and do our best to win. These kinds of races are only ever going to be popular with the core racing group, because they lack relevance to a wider audience.
That is why I want races associated with Community Goals: "I'm going to be doing that anyway...might as well try the race."
Lacking that I think we need more races that cater to the way people play the game outside of racing, and that are more relevant to their interests rather than ours as racers. I am not advocating that we get rid of the races made by racers, for racers. I love how well designed Turbo Hour is; I love the routing challenges associated with things like Art of Pandemonium; and I love the ship-tuning challenges of The Mischief Mile. We absolutely need those for ourselves.
But challenging races are draining to participate in and honestly, MWM races are not going to alleviate that; and I say that as the guy who proposed the idea. I say it because a small time slot doesn't equate with a reduced challenge for the racer.
What we need are more casual races in the schedule that draw in new audiences; races that the dedicated racers can be comfortable skipping. Or not because those races are relevant to other things that they were wanting to go do anyway.
Without good foreknowledge of CGs, we don't have a lot of control over relating our races to what people are already doing in the game. What we can do is relate them to general activities, and make them available often, if not permanently. No one feels pressured to run The Black Riband or A* Challenge, nor would anyone feel pressured to run in any other fixture race, "I'll get to it when it's convenient." And that's okay.
) I'm of the opinion that people will race when they want to race, and there are simply too many outside variables for us to expect to influence attendance. Two races exist that can be run at any time...and they're successful. The A* Challenge is successful because it can be done at any time, and people say to themselves, "I wanted to go there anyway...might as well try the race." The Black Riband is similar, with people saying to themselves, "I'm already doing that anyway...might as well try the race."
ElectricZ's events are successful because of nostalgia, but also because many of them are relevant. During Beta, the races related to a larger unlocked playing field, while BBR9 was associated with travelling to a new station; both of which come back to "I wanted to go there anyway...might as well try the race."
Beyond that the BRC races are mostly racing races, catering to most of us here as dedicated racers. We seek to understand the rules of the race, the nature of the course, and the limits of our capabilities; then we go out and do our best to win. These kinds of races are only ever going to be popular with the core racing group, because they lack relevance to a wider audience.
That is why I want races associated with Community Goals: "I'm going to be doing that anyway...might as well try the race."
Lacking that I think we need more races that cater to the way people play the game outside of racing, and that are more relevant to their interests rather than ours as racers. I am not advocating that we get rid of the races made by racers, for racers. I love how well designed Turbo Hour is; I love the routing challenges associated with things like Art of Pandemonium; and I love the ship-tuning challenges of The Mischief Mile. We absolutely need those for ourselves.
But challenging races are draining to participate in and honestly, MWM races are not going to alleviate that; and I say that as the guy who proposed the idea. I say it because a small time slot doesn't equate with a reduced challenge for the racer.
What we need are more casual races in the schedule that draw in new audiences; races that the dedicated racers can be comfortable skipping. Or not because those races are relevant to other things that they were wanting to go do anyway.
Without good foreknowledge of CGs, we don't have a lot of control over relating our races to what people are already doing in the game. What we can do is relate them to general activities, and make them available often, if not permanently. No one feels pressured to run The Black Riband or A* Challenge, nor would anyone feel pressured to run in any other fixture race, "I'll get to it when it's convenient." And that's okay.
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I've updated the Spring Break banner, both to add icons! And to adjust the dates that I'd like to run, so that there's room for MWM.
Its a railgun shot!
accurately reflecting whats happened to my buckybear.. shh don't tell ATcool. ive just been up exigus way looking for a possible scramble out of hemang and tjapai, I wondered where id seen exigus before.. it was your flyer.
pm me where your going with that so I can move the race I had in mind away.
BTW 4.8 by 1 is the standard size ive been doing the flyers
you do what you want of course.. . noones gone quite so tall as you. and I think you can crop out some height from yours and still keep it cool..
What we need are more casual races in the schedule that draw in new audiences; races that the dedicated racers can be comfortable skipping. Or not because those races are relevant to other things that they were wanting to go do anyway.
Without good foreknowledge of CGs, we don't have a lot of control over relating our races to what people are already doing in the game. What we can do is relate them to general activities, and make them available often, if not permanently. No one feels pressured to run The Black Riband or A* Challenge, nor would anyone feel pressured to run in any other fixture race, "I'll get to it when it's convenient." And that's okay.
Im generally not into CG's as I think they are lazy design.. its random enough racing when theres not a cg on.. let alone racing when theres pirates and psychos trying to get on your tail.
I helped out for the obsidian orbital one just to get BB9 going , which needed 3 cg's to get built. that kind of sealed cgs fate for me. but if you think itd be cool.. try and make it happen.
I try and ignore anything I think is pants in the game.. by doing buckyballs. we should offer stuff that the game doesn't. using your analysis none of my races are going anywhere anyone might want to go.
they are sort of themed.. rather than going with the crowd. but as ive said before.. im just trying to get some interesting races going. not necessarily pull in racers.
the most popular one so far has been the kessel run. should that be a gauge of how good the race is.. not in my book. was it any better because there was more racers.. that's debateable..
but Its not a competition, despite us being fairly competitive in the races..
I spoke to Ez about running the upcoming slot.. and hes semi retired again.. maybe back with bucky after the next thingy happens.
so the slots open to anyone.. ive now got 5 or 6 MWM events down on paper.. and a couple of ones that could be done as main events.
so its no problem if no one wants the slot coming up .. ive had a commission from a cthulhu cult to run a race which may be good. they sound like fun guys from yuggoth!
ive also been looking at a stars in fiction race.. so visiting systems in classic sci fi.. so like.. alpha ceti ( Menkar) for a bit of KHAAANNNN!!!! arakis (Canopus ).. desert planet.. etcetc..
maybe we could have a secret buckyball.. no sharing of the route.. and no prior warning what the systems are.. no leaderboard till the end.. and jokers.
if anyone wants to do one but lacks the spark of an idea to get going.. pm me.
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I thought I copied the MTLSTM banner for size...not the smaller signature banners. I was going to make the smaller sig banner, too, but probably w/o the icons. But I know for a fact that I suck at the arts, so if you wanted to help make something better, I can send you the art I've been working with (the layered version is in Paint.Net...yeah, I know
, oh and the text was done in word, then cropped in Paint.Net).Like I said, I think the club benefits by doing both. I can understand that CGs aren't particularly fun the way they are designed...essentially people who have already won all the monies get to win the CGs if they also have the time. Except for the exploration CGs, which is just blind luck depending on what you've been doing lately. But again, my perspective is to overload the race options, and let people pick-and-choose what they like, when they like.
I still think you should do it. I could run 8 days of Space Drag racing with a different starting line each day, but I'm going to bring Jak back to the bubble to transfer some funds to Seneh so she can buy a racing ship, then get repairs and A* Challenge it back out to the DW fleet...so I'm a bit busy at the moment.
MTLSTM banner was drakhyr on too much eggnog.I thought I copied the MTLSTM banner for size...not the smaller signature banners. I was going to make the smaller sig banner, too, but probably w/o the icons. But I know for a fact that I suck at the arts, so if you wanted to help make something better, I can send you the art I've been working with (the layered version is in Paint.Net...yeah, I know
I like what you've done.. just saying its a bit tall.. by all means pm me with what you've got and I can do you some alien looking beach scene if you like. but don't feel like im having a go at your design skills.. they are totally cool. just crop a bit off the top.
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Its a railgun shot!
As a fan of Secret Cinema I'm intrigued by that idea!
So 4.8 by 1? Is that inches? As a programmer, I tend to work in pixels.MTLSTM banner was drakhyr on too much eggnog.
Also I forgot to mention, no PM is needed, I've already posted (most of) the rules for Spring Break. Start line is in Exigus, pick your own route hitting as many tourism stations as possible within the timeframe for your chosen class. So as long as you avoid Tourism stations and Slackagers' itself, there's no actual overlap. It might actually be interesting to see if people like running different races in otherwise overlapping territory, since it let's them re-apply learned knowledge, which is typically a rewarding experience.
sorry aspect ratio so 960 x200 or there abouts.. or 1300x270 ish.
cool, well I think the one ive got is a goody.. going on the set up for bb7 and just changing the systems. could maybe do it as a secret scramble.
Okay, so cut 70px off the top or widen it by 340px.
Sorry I haven't participated in the discussion over the last couple of days - I was mid-air for most of it (you won't see me in game for the next three weeks as I'm in New Zealand)
I am entirely in agreement with those who fear Buckyball saturation. Personally, I have never done anything that strikes as "grinding", which means I have been slower to make money, especially as I tend to hold on to older ships when I get new ones - I've just about got enough money for a Python, which I am looking forward to when I get home, but am still well away from affording a racing Anaconda. Thus like Alec and others I have plenty of different things I want to try.
I do think keeping things varied is important. I also have always liked the idea of having shorter, simpler events mixed in with the longer ones, and the Mid-Week Madness idea could be a good evolution of the original thought around Warm-Up Races. If running races over only a few days, though, I think it would be important to publish at least the starting location at least a couple of days in advance, to enable participants time to get there (and, if trying more complex rules, get ships set up, routes, scouted, etc) in advance.
It sounds like people are thinking of MWM events for two different purposes - one being for short, simple races, the other being to try new things to see how they work. It might be useful to find a good way to clearly mark which is which
The icons look great, and I'll look at adding them to the A* Challenge banner when I'm back home.
(you won't see me in game for the next three weeks as I'm in New Zealand)I am entirely in agreement with those who fear Buckyball saturation. Personally, I have never done anything that strikes as "grinding", which means I have been slower to make money, especially as I tend to hold on to older ships when I get new ones - I've just about got enough money for a Python, which I am looking forward to when I get home, but am still well away from affording a racing Anaconda. Thus like Alec and others I have plenty of different things I want to try.
I do think keeping things varied is important. I also have always liked the idea of having shorter, simpler events mixed in with the longer ones, and the Mid-Week Madness idea could be a good evolution of the original thought around Warm-Up Races. If running races over only a few days, though, I think it would be important to publish at least the starting location at least a couple of days in advance, to enable participants time to get there (and, if trying more complex rules, get ships set up, routes, scouted, etc) in advance.
It sounds like people are thinking of MWM events for two different purposes - one being for short, simple races, the other being to try new things to see how they work. It might be useful to find a good way to clearly mark which is which
The icons look great, and I'll look at adding them to the A* Challenge banner when I'm back home.
Hey Drakhyr, cool, I don't think we are going to avoid saturation.. because the result of saturation is going to be lower participation. and by bringing in MWM events that will happen. so the options are.. tell me and jhrrhl to just wait for a normal slot.
or see what happens.
though Im not sure how the MWM are to be judged as a success.. is it that they have more people than have been running normal events.. or are they to be judged a failure if they only get 5 people turning up?
to those of us that just do buckyballing.. and I think I may be the only one. the success will be more people hosting races and more variation.
regarding the 2 uses of MWM short races and experimental.. for the ones I have planned.. they are both short and experimental. I see them as an opportunity to break out of the neutral zone, only stations.. all ship classes.. screenshots of time. vanilla elite season 1.
I think weve moved away from simple to just pretty hardcore races. so id certainly like to bring back simple and quick. I cant speak for jhyrrl.. I think as long as one of us remembers the first time we buckyballed.. and keep there races to that estimation.. we will be cool. that's what I tried to do with the Pleiades hip hop. I like the complex ones.. they give the more computerery geek side of buckyballers something to sink there teeth into . but I also think we need to go back to more simple offerings to. all my planned races are 20- 30 mins.. effort.. one time. no requirements fro multiple races.. just simple.. one shots.. people can dip into..
Jhyrryl mentioned 7 days with a different starting point.. to me that's asking too much participation daily.. and my ones wont be anything like that.
at the end of the day.. if you guys think that having 48 events is too much for the calendar.. then you need to put your foot down and say no. Ill accept the majority vote.. or even a final word from you Drakhyr.
if you do do that .. though.. I think we need to disseminate slots to all hosters ahead of time.. though.. and it needs to be spaced out so we are all getting a good go on running a race.
the other alternative.. is MWM becomes a splinter group from the BRC and me and jhyyrl can just set up a site and outfit.. devoted to 24 events of shorter racing types of things.
personally id rather stay under the BRC header.
id like a MWM page on the site.. if that's possible.. id do the work for it.. and its probably about time I gave you half the money for the hosting domain reg of the site.
or we can start doing some merch.. tshirts , mugs.. and stick a couple of quid on to put to the hosting. id quite like a mug. but not a white one.
I would say again that I expect less participation in MWM not just because they wont run over weekends. which will obviously reduce uptake. but for the reasons you've given ..
in that there more on offer so people wont mind missing them if they are off on some expedition.
for the buggyball.. ill put a post up in the horizons forum.. pointing to one in community events.. on the weekend goemans race ends. so with only 3 or 4 days heads up.. already theres going to be less people running it.
what are we here for.. to get more people racing.. or to put on good races. if its to get more people racing.. I think im in the wrong club. if its both.. well.. I think I can put on good races.. but I cant make people turn up.
the initial thing that stopped me from racing the first buckyballs is the name. I think its weird.. I like it now.. but I think we should be aware that it isn't as simple as just providing what we deem a good player generated 'mission' for people and then wondering where everyone is.
one final thing.. no disrespect to furry and the great race hes put on.. but im over saturated with turbo hour atm.. not with buckyballing. im guilty of encouraging him to extend the race length.. and maybe that wasn't such a good move as I have felt its dragged on.. that's no refection on the quality of the race. but I think we could have had a good MWM event within the slot and it wouldn't have effected turbo hour.
or see what happens.
though Im not sure how the MWM are to be judged as a success.. is it that they have more people than have been running normal events.. or are they to be judged a failure if they only get 5 people turning up?
to those of us that just do buckyballing.. and I think I may be the only one. the success will be more people hosting races and more variation.
regarding the 2 uses of MWM short races and experimental.. for the ones I have planned.. they are both short and experimental. I see them as an opportunity to break out of the neutral zone, only stations.. all ship classes.. screenshots of time. vanilla elite season 1.
I think weve moved away from simple to just pretty hardcore races. so id certainly like to bring back simple and quick. I cant speak for jhyrrl.. I think as long as one of us remembers the first time we buckyballed.. and keep there races to that estimation.. we will be cool. that's what I tried to do with the Pleiades hip hop. I like the complex ones.. they give the more computerery geek side of buckyballers something to sink there teeth into . but I also think we need to go back to more simple offerings to. all my planned races are 20- 30 mins.. effort.. one time. no requirements fro multiple races.. just simple.. one shots.. people can dip into..
Jhyrryl mentioned 7 days with a different starting point.. to me that's asking too much participation daily.. and my ones wont be anything like that.
at the end of the day.. if you guys think that having 48 events is too much for the calendar.. then you need to put your foot down and say no. Ill accept the majority vote.. or even a final word from you Drakhyr.
if you do do that .. though.. I think we need to disseminate slots to all hosters ahead of time.. though.. and it needs to be spaced out so we are all getting a good go on running a race.
the other alternative.. is MWM becomes a splinter group from the BRC and me and jhyyrl can just set up a site and outfit.. devoted to 24 events of shorter racing types of things.
personally id rather stay under the BRC header.
id like a MWM page on the site.. if that's possible.. id do the work for it.. and its probably about time I gave you half the money for the hosting domain reg of the site.
or we can start doing some merch.. tshirts , mugs.. and stick a couple of quid on to put to the hosting. id quite like a mug. but not a white one.
I would say again that I expect less participation in MWM not just because they wont run over weekends. which will obviously reduce uptake. but for the reasons you've given ..
in that there more on offer so people wont mind missing them if they are off on some expedition.
for the buggyball.. ill put a post up in the horizons forum.. pointing to one in community events.. on the weekend goemans race ends. so with only 3 or 4 days heads up.. already theres going to be less people running it.
what are we here for.. to get more people racing.. or to put on good races. if its to get more people racing.. I think im in the wrong club. if its both.. well.. I think I can put on good races.. but I cant make people turn up.
the initial thing that stopped me from racing the first buckyballs is the name. I think its weird.. I like it now.. but I think we should be aware that it isn't as simple as just providing what we deem a good player generated 'mission' for people and then wondering where everyone is.
one final thing.. no disrespect to furry and the great race hes put on.. but im over saturated with turbo hour atm.. not with buckyballing. im guilty of encouraging him to extend the race length.. and maybe that wasn't such a good move as I have felt its dragged on.. that's no refection on the quality of the race. but I think we could have had a good MWM event within the slot and it wouldn't have effected turbo hour.
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It has gone on too long and that's my fault.
When I realised that the original slot would only take in one weekend I knew it needed to be longer. So I just changed the dates to be "after the last one" through "before the next one" without really thinking about it. Pretty much on the day the race officially kicked off I knew I done goofed because only when I looked at the calendar and counted out the days did I understand that i'd made the thing the best part of three weeks without meaning to. By then all the banners, newsletters, Galnets and stickies had gone out and it was too late.
Robin, I don't think MWM as an idea is being rejected, seeing as you're already penciled in to run two of them. And I'm definitely not a proponent of running off to create a new group to support them when this group has not rejected them. If I'm going to go do my own thing, it's going to be for something big that doesn't fit within the structure of the BRC, not MWM. But if the BRC can support the A* Challenge, it can support just about anything.
As for recruiting racers...I'm not sure why there is hostility towards the idea of increased participation. More participation means a greater need for more races...which is what you want?
As for recruiting racers...I'm not sure why there is hostility towards the idea of increased participation. More participation means a greater need for more races...which is what you want?
Robin, I don't think MWM as an idea is being rejected, seeing as you're already penciled in to run two of them. And I'm definitely not a proponent of running off to create a new group to support them when this group has not rejected them. If I'm going to go do my own thing, it's going to be for something big that doesn't fit within the structure of the BRC, not MWM. But if the BRC can support the A* Challenge, it can support just about anything.
As for recruiting racers...I'm not sure why there is hostility towards the idea of increased participation. More participation means a greater need for more races...which is what you want?
im not hostile toward more participation.. as im trying to participate more.. im trying to say why itd be good. the argument against more participation.. via saturation.. is less people racing. and im saying that's whats gonna happen.. and I don't mind. if someone minds.. then theres a problem. I think weve established me and you are cool with it.. hence me referring to you.
most of this particular current discussion has come from you suggesting you wanted to run a weekly event.. im all for more events.. but not for just one guy to do them. as its like a take over. if theres slots free.. and people don't want to use them .. fine..
other guys have said maybe more events will mean less people racing.. which im trying to counter by saying .. that's fine in my book.. also itd be great if everyone joined in.. but you know.. is it gonna be crap with 4 or 5 people in it. I don't think so. I argued against more open events. as its easier with them .. for someone to monopolise the club name promoting them. that hasn't happened.. but it could if someone was overzealous about there event.
I would hope that what Ive been discussing is based around getting more people hosting.. and more races going.. without any one person taking over.
im also well aware that any of what ive said could be construed as im trying to take over.. my agenda though is to get more hosters doing more races in as fair a way as possible. not for me.. or you .. or anyone to host all of them.
I would hope that anyone who read the entire thread could see thats been my mantra from day 1. as well as keep it neutral.
this might sound militant socialist.. but I think we need to make a host list.. and make sure that everyone gets a fair go at hosting. so everyone whos on the list gets to do a race.. before anyone else gets another go. if times aren't right. or hosters don't mind.. then they can pass. if we only plan 8 events ahead.. or 2 months.. then any new hosters wont have to wait half a year.
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I'm all for MWM, as I mentioned before I'd like it if someone managed to run a MWM event in any week that doesn't have an existing race.
I'd do my very best to participate in as many as possible. I think I'd probably actually do better in a shorter term event, so I'm definitely looking forward to them. I often don't have the playtime available to refine and practice, so the longer the event lasts, the harder I find it to keep up!
For the bigger events, I'm going to stick with my view that two weeks of racing per month is about right, whether that two one-week events or one two-week event doesn't bother me. So two weeks worth of "main events" and two MWM per month would be great for me.
One thing that I'd really like to try running, as a fan of both BBR-7 type scrambles and BBR-9-live, is a live one-shot scramble race. Only the start/finish station would be published in advance with the list of destination systems/stations posted to the forum a few minutes before launch. This kind of popped into my head when Robin mentioned secret scrambles.
The timeslot of the second BBR-9 live run seemed to really work well for most peoples' time-zones (even though I didn't make it for that one).
Also as I like smuggling / pvp blockade running, I'm not totally against Jhyrryl's CG Race idea. I think that a fun one-shot live event could also work well in a CG.
All CGs start on a Thursday and they generally last for a week. For the trading CGs the most nearby stations often sell out of the required resource really quickly, and for the smuggling CGs it's often difficult to find a very nearby source of an illegal commodity, or they require a rare-commodity in which it's normally about 4 jumps away.
It would be pretty easy to quickly plan a one-shot live race to run on the Saturday evening (UK) of a trade CG, and if it's a smuggling one we wouldn't be the only ones boosting through the slot. Depart from the CG station, head to a specific destination to fill up with the required commodity and then get back to the start ASAP. For a one-shot event run in open-mode, the pirates and killers lurking in the destination system just add to the fun, if they stop you then you're probably not going to win.
Posting about the event in the CG thread here, and agreeing to all switch off "report crimes against me" and to all paste "BUCKYBALL!!!!" into the local chat as we take off would hopefully curtail any anger from other forum users who are doing the CG (non-forum players might get a surprise, but they don't complain here anyway).
I'd do my very best to participate in as many as possible. I think I'd probably actually do better in a shorter term event, so I'm definitely looking forward to them.
I often don't have the playtime available to refine and practice, so the longer the event lasts, the harder I find it to keep up! For the bigger events, I'm going to stick with my view that two weeks of racing per month is about right, whether that two one-week events or one two-week event doesn't bother me. So two weeks worth of "main events" and two MWM per month would be great for me.
One thing that I'd really like to try running, as a fan of both BBR-7 type scrambles and BBR-9-live, is a live one-shot scramble race. Only the start/finish station would be published in advance with the list of destination systems/stations posted to the forum a few minutes before launch. This kind of popped into my head when Robin mentioned secret scrambles.
The timeslot of the second BBR-9 live run seemed to really work well for most peoples' time-zones (even though I didn't make it for that one).
Also as I like smuggling / pvp blockade running, I'm not totally against Jhyrryl's CG Race idea. I think that a fun one-shot live event could also work well in a CG.
All CGs start on a Thursday and they generally last for a week. For the trading CGs the most nearby stations often sell out of the required resource really quickly, and for the smuggling CGs it's often difficult to find a very nearby source of an illegal commodity, or they require a rare-commodity in which it's normally about 4 jumps away.
It would be pretty easy to quickly plan a one-shot live race to run on the Saturday evening (UK) of a trade CG, and if it's a smuggling one we wouldn't be the only ones boosting through the slot. Depart from the CG station, head to a specific destination to fill up with the required commodity and then get back to the start ASAP. For a one-shot event run in open-mode, the pirates and killers lurking in the destination system just add to the fun, if they stop you then you're probably not going to win.
Posting about the event in the CG thread here, and agreeing to all switch off "report crimes against me" and to all paste "BUCKYBALL!!!!" into the local chat as we take off would hopefully curtail any anger from other forum users who are doing the CG (non-forum players might get a surprise, but they don't complain here anyway
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dear buckyballers,
i totally got lost due to RL and other stuff... i was literally just checking out my message inbox, to confirm icarus race was to start at the 24th of february (day of the week was irritating me), and found out i signed up for 13th - which would be tomorrow! with me being on a businness fair... sorry for my stupid mistake.
i'm sorry, but i need to shift icarus race from tomorrow to the free slot 27 February - 6 March, if that is okay.
sorry again .... not my style normally.
i totally got lost due to RL and other stuff... i was literally just checking out my message inbox, to confirm icarus race was to start at the 24th of february (day of the week was irritating me), and found out i signed up for 13th - which would be tomorrow! with me being on a businness fair... sorry for my stupid mistake.
i'm sorry, but i need to shift icarus race from tomorrow to the free slot 27 February - 6 March, if that is okay.
sorry again .... not my style normally.
Okay, well I've cooled on the idea of Space Drag Racing (hereafter, SDR) being a weekly event. Going back to what I said earlier about "I'm already <fill_in_the_blank>...I might as well try the race," I realized that SDR fits into the category of, "I'm already here...I might as well try the race." It would be much easier on both me and the participants if it were an open event...again, only after running it several times as MWM and feeling that it was successful.
I'm not trying to take over; I just want to run, and run in, races. The club was put together to assist everyone in avoiding stepping on toes. Too much competition for attention is obviously a bad thing, but some competition is not. If something can be run indefinitely, without the stepping-on-toes then it should probably be allowed to do so with the BRC name on it.
The question is, what constitutes toe-stepping?
What I'm hearing is that formalizing SDR (as one example) to a point that it's a fixture, prevents other people from running events that feature a single-jump competition. I say prove it. Generate evidence through practical example. The more concrete example that already exists is that The Black Riband dissuades organizers from creating other races that feature smuggling. I don't buy it; I think that style of event doesn't tickle as many fancies as raw speed / distance events, on top of which it requires a lot of planning; therefore there are no smuggling proposals on the board. But instead of guessing, let's just put it to the test and get someone to organize an event just to see how badly it fails.
Additionally I say, maybe make more distinctive events. I'm all for "simple" races that are essentially identical except for taking place on different tracks, but those shouldn't be blocking the creation of fixtures, any more than fixtures should mandate that variations on their themes shouldn't exist.
I'm not trying to take over; I just want to run, and run in, races. The club was put together to assist everyone in avoiding stepping on toes. Too much competition for attention is obviously a bad thing, but some competition is not. If something can be run indefinitely, without the stepping-on-toes then it should probably be allowed to do so with the BRC name on it.
The question is, what constitutes toe-stepping?
What I'm hearing is that formalizing SDR (as one example) to a point that it's a fixture, prevents other people from running events that feature a single-jump competition. I say prove it. Generate evidence through practical example. The more concrete example that already exists is that The Black Riband dissuades organizers from creating other races that feature smuggling. I don't buy it; I think that style of event doesn't tickle as many fancies as raw speed / distance events, on top of which it requires a lot of planning; therefore there are no smuggling proposals on the board. But instead of guessing, let's just put it to the test and get someone to organize an event just to see how badly it fails.
Additionally I say, maybe make more distinctive events. I'm all for "simple" races that are essentially identical except for taking place on different tracks, but those shouldn't be blocking the creation of fixtures, any more than fixtures should mandate that variations on their themes shouldn't exist.