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Everyone is happy? Are you blind? He angered more people in 5 days then Obama ever did. And I mean ever. You didn't see the news on womens marches? Why is a man dictating what a woman can do with her body?

By the way, you realize you are one of the only countries in the world not to have affordable medicare for your entire country right? Even NORTH KOREA has it.



North Korea beats you at taking care of their citizens health care wise and they murder there citizens on the street whenever they say Kim is orange. (See what I did there?). You are living in a dream land. A dream where the American Dream doesn't actually exist.

Are you guys ? They are angry for NOTHING. Trump has done NOTHING bad. He might look bad, he might say bad things, but he only do good for everyone.

Trump is GOD's right hand. He is saving you by taking the crap from media which otherwise YOU would have suffered. Would you have the guts to say the things Trump are saying in public? Do you know why he is saying these things?

You need to understand that the owners of the media and the private bankers behind the feds are your enemy, they betrayed and stole from you, not our beloved new founding father Super-kind Angel of Love President Donald Trump.
 
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No, the looting I speak of has been done over several decades of mismanagement and bad trade deals that have resulted in the social and economic decline of the US that has lowered the standard of living for most Americans.

The $20 Trillion debt, 93 Million not working, 50 Million on food stamps, the gutting of middle American manufacturing jobs isn't just our misguided imagination. Add to that the problems of violence in our cities and the % of population in prison, and even the Americans who had the wool over their eyes for the last few decades as they got sold down the river by politicians and union leaders, are starting to see the light.

Trump hits it right on the mark - drive to Washington and see for yourself the 7 richest counties in the US with row after row of 6000 sq ft. homes and construction going on everywhere. Meanwhile, the heartland of America was sold and jobs were exported overseas so the bankers and politicians could line their pockets.

You don't need to look any further than the Clintons. Never held anything but govt. jobs and became multi-millionaires.

How are those foundations doing now that they are out?

Of course the left and the international community are outraged that someone is taking their punch bowl away.

The most generous country in the world finally woke up and realized that they were being had.

While I agree the rich should not get richer, by any means... you do realize that you can't just say "no" to a true statement to make it untrue. Also, what is your stance on if he proves you wrong and turns out to be one of these guys you are speaking of and lines his own pocket and the pockets of his already rich cabinet? His entire cabinet is made of millionaires... are you guys going to hold them to the coals if they turn out to be blood suckers like the previous president(s) you apparently hate (which I only see you talking about Obama, like he didn't inherit a broken country that he turned around and created a ton of jobs in without having to build a monolith to stupidity. But I already understand you are not going to answer my question on race, that would be admitting you are predisposed to hatred, and I already know you don't want to admit that the Republican presidents based on this post you already made are just as bad).

Pretend for a moment I agree with you that Trump might do something worth while. I am asking, what if he doesn't? What if you are completely wrong, then how will you act?

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Are you guys ? They are angry for NOTHING. Trump has done NOTHING bad. He might look bad, he might say bad things, but he only do good for everyone.

Trump is GOD's right hand. He is saving you by taking the crap from media which otherwise YOU would have suffered. Would you have the guts to say the things Trump are saying in public? Do you know why he is saying these things?

You need to understand that the owners of the media and the private bankers behind the feds are your enemy, they betrayed and stole from you, not our beloved new founding father Super-kind Angel of Love President Donald Trump.

I asked you if you are pro life? Stop ignoring my question. Its weak of you.

I have the guts to say everything that is on my mind. Read this thread and the other one. I keep saying them. If you were standing next to me I would ask you the same questions. Trump isn't a hero, he is a coward. Anybody can say anything, but can they stand up for those who are most hurt by the actions they speak of? Can they turn the cheek when they realize they are wrong? Can they make changes when its needed for all the individuals around them?
 
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No, the looting I speak of has been done over several decades of mismanagement and bad trade deals that have resulted in the social and economic decline of the US that has lowered the standard of living for most Americans.

This isn't true. Or at least it's not as simple as you present. Nobody has been "looting" America per se. However, globalization has a well known economic effect on the poorer part of western democracies. Those trade deals have simply exposed all of American society to global levels of supply and demand. Which of course means that the cost of labour has fallen as the American supply of labour has been suplimented with the global supply of labour equalising the two. At the same time of course, those with wealth, and most notably those with a lot of wealth have benefited a great deal from the situation because they can make goods more cheaply and access more markets.

In effect it's capitalism that has hurt the poorer people in America. But capitalism on a global scale rather than a national scale.

America has been doing well out of this... just not everyone in America.. which is how capitalism tends to work.
 
Aaaannd they have walked this back...not three hours since it came out. The White House is in a tailspin and I'm worried where they are going to crash.

I think even the more rational Republicans are somewhat horrified at this point.

Trump is clearly out of his depth yet his monstrous ego will not let him seek the assistance of more capable individuals. The current President hasn't even been there two weeks and already things are going very bad in a hurry.

It's possible that things will be even worse than the worst pessimists suggested.
 
Trump isn't the only one to use Twitter. The Mexican President does too:



Which translates too:



You can't cherry pick twitter messages for your own cause and to try and prove yourself right. Added, I get my news up here in Canada, from Canadian organizations. Are they all fake news as well? The article I am quoting goes on to say that they have no interest in the wall, see no reason for it, and have no desire to pay for the wall in tax's or otherwise and will not communicate with Trump until he stops.

Then three hours later, your orange dictator redacted his ideas on the tax. Doesn't seem suspicious too you?

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Have you even read anything written in this thread? I already touched on executive orders. Trump is on his way to making more executive orders in the first 100 days of his office than Obama or Bush ever did in there presidency. Added, when he did you guys all called him a dictator and said that only dictator rule using executive orders. But you said that because he was black, didn't you? Just admit for us that you dislike him because he is black. I will stop poking holes in your half hearted arguments.

I simply quoted the Washington Post which reported the chronology as I sated it. I didn't "Cherry pick" anything unless you want to call left leaning WAPO the place for opposition reporting.

Let's see how many of Trumps Executive Orders get overturned by the courts before we jump to conclusions.

Ah... the race card

I was wondering how long that would take.
 
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Pretend for a moment I agree with you that Trump might do something worth while. I am asking, what if he doesn't? What if you are completely wrong, then how will you act?

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I asked you if you are pro life? Stop ignoring my question. Its weak of you.

Listen to what our Lord and Savior Donald Trump is saying. Then look at what he is doing. He is creating life! He is removing your pain and suffering by taking it upon himself. I am PRO Trump.
If Trump would fail, I would immediately switch sides and cast him unto the fires from whence he came.... but as long as he is creating love, peace and true prosperity... I am PRO Trump.

I would have been PRO Hillary too, if she had won. I would stand by her side, making sure she would succeed. BECAUSE IF OUR PRESIDENT FAILS: WE FAIL. It can not be allowed, you understand?

Your grandchildren will cry in memory of their most beloved founding father: President Donald Trump.
He took everything the Devil made for you and cast it out of his paradise. He made everything good again. What a Great Person of the History of the World! AMAZING TIMES WE LIVE IN!
[video=youtube;3ZDXUNY3xAU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZDXUNY3xAU[/video]

A monument, overshadowing Lincoln Memorial, will be built. And everyone will be so proud to have known the presens of that Great Person 45:th President of the United States of America: Donald Trump.
 
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I simply quoted the Washington Post which reported the chronology as I sated it. I didn't "Cherry pick" anything unless you want to call left leaning WAPO the place for opposition reporting.

Let's see how many of Trumps Executive Orders get overturned by the courts before we jump to conclusions.

Ah... the race card

I was wondering how long that would take.

Its not a card. And once again you select not to answer. You can hate a guy for hate itself, you an hate a guy for policies, but I don't see you hating other presidents. Bush was another moron. Please quote him and his moronic ideas? Guy got you into a war for Oil. No you are on Obama, so I need to know, so I know if I am arguing with a rational person or a guy who has no rational in his comments based on hate. You can't change someones argument.

For the record I am not ethnic. This is not a race card. Its an important part of the equation.

But you already lost this conversation because you refuse to answer my questions or make conversation based on the stances you want to take. You don't want to have a democratic discussion based on the truth you want to say that every truth we present is fake news or lies because its the only way you can back up your claims. You were taught by the best.

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Listen to what our Lord and Savior Donald Trump is saying. Then look at what he is doing. He is creating life! He is removing your pain and suffering by taking it upon himself. I am PRO Trump.
If Trump would fail, I would immediately switch sides and cast him unto the fires from whence he came.... but as long as he is creating love, peace and true prosperity... I am PRO Trump.

I would have been PRO Hillary too, if she had won. I would stand by her side, making sure she would succeed. BECAUSE IF OUR PRESIDENT FAILS: WE FAIL. It can not be allowed, you understand?

Thank you for answering my question with a non-answer. I suspect you know where I am going with this so I wont go there. But in essence, you are not pro life. You proved that with your Mexican comment.
 
Its not a card. And once again you select not to answer. You can hate a guy for hate itself, you an hate a guy for policies, but I don't see you hating other presidents. Bush was another moron. Please quote him and his moronic ideas? Guy got you into a war for Oil. No you are on Obama, so I need to know, so I know if I am arguing with a rational person or a guy who has no rational in his comments based on hate. You can't change someones argument.

For the record I am not ethnic. This is not a race card. Its an important part of the equation.

But you already lost this conversation because you refuse to answer my questions or make conversation based on the stances you want to take. You don't want to have a democratic discussion based on the truth you want to say that every truth we present is fake news or lies because its the only way you can back up your claims. You were taught by the best.

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Thank you for answering my question with a non-answer. I suspect you know where I am going with this so I wont go there. But in essence, you are not pro life. You proved that with your Mexican comment.

You just proved my point. Hahaha, EXACTLY what CNN would have said.. "YOU FOUL DARK DEMONS OF HELL" ?.
 
You just proved my point. Hahaha, EXACTLY what CNN would have said.. "YOU FOUL DARK DEMONS OF HELL" ?.

CNN has nothing to do with this. You haven't made a point other then "I blindly go where I am told."

I suspect you are commenting this way out of fear because the NSA is watching your every move. Its okay. If you need help and to seek asylum just comment HELP using the first letter in each sentence and we will see what we can do for you. Maybe try and make it to the Canadian border? *smirks*
 
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This is what is called a trade war and a trade war cannot be won by a single country, not even the USA.

It either leads to a Trade War or to Isolationism.
As Trump apparently wants to do that on all Countries. It might just be that he wants to go for Isolationism.

And yes. The USA is the Biggest Economy. But its not Strong enough to Win a Trade War with the remaining World.
Actually as the EU already statet that it will not take sides in a Trade War for the USA. It might not even win a Trade War against China.
 
It either leads to a Trade War or to Isolationism.
As Trump apparently wants to do that on all Countries. It might just be that he wants to go for Isolationism.

And yes. The USA is the Biggest Economy. But its not Strong enough to Win a Trade War with the remaining World.
Actually as the EU already statet that it will not take sides in a Trade War for the USA. It might not even win a Trade War against China.

What I don't understand is why he might want isolationism? It hasn't worked for North Korea... China didn't do well with this political stance. Any ideas?
 
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CNN has nothing to do with this.

I suspect you are commenting this way out of fear because the NSA is watching your every move. Its okay. If you need help and to seek asylum just comment HELP using the first letter in each sentence and we will see what we can do for you. Maybe try and make it to the Canadian border? *smirks*

Too late. Just ponder this: Who taught you to hate? What is your purpose with that? Come to our side of love and re-building instead. Learn to use the light and be happy and without fear. I know you want too, but the dark side you are on is a very tempting master. I just hope you understand that the reason we love Trump is because he does good deeds, not because someone told us too, or that we read something that SOMEONE ELSE WROTE that was bad about Trump.
 
What I don't understand is why he might want isolationism? It hasn't worked for North Korea... China didn't do well with this political stance. Any ideas?

Anti-foreign sentiment. Anti-immigration rhetoric. American nationalism and exceptionalism.

When you trade with another country you need to have some sort of agreement with them. Any agreement with someone else, by very definition, cedes some level of sovereignty. You agree to play nice with each other. That isn't in Trumps character.

The USA has a nutter at the helm and much will be sacrificed to feed his ego.
 
Because he loves everything about the 1930s..

https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/american-isolationism

However, I actually don't know if he's very consistent about this. He also wants to attack global terrorists.. which generally means indiscriminately attacking people in the middle east..

Anti-foreign sentiment. Anti-immigration rhetoric. American nationalism and exceptionalism.

When you trade with another country you need to have some sort of agreement with them. Any agreement with someone else, by very definition, cedes some level of sovereignty. You agree to play nice with each other. That isn't in Trumps character.

The USA has a nutter at the helm and much will be sacrificed to feed his ego.

This is what I thought. Thanks.
 
While I agree the rich should not get richer, by any means... you do realize that you can't just say "no" to a true statement to make it untrue. Also, what is your stance on if he proves you wrong and turns out to be one of these guys you are speaking of and lines his own pocket and the pockets of his already rich cabinet? His entire cabinet is made of millionaires... are you guys going to hold them to the coals if they turn out to be blood suckers like the previous president(s) you apparently hate (which I only see you talking about Obama, like he didn't inherit a broken country that he turned around and created a ton of jobs in without having to build a monolith to stupidity.

But I already understand you are not going to answer my question on race, that would be admitting you are predisposed to hatred, and I already know you don't want to admit that the Republican presidents based on this post you already made are just as bad).

Pretend for a moment I agree with you that Trump might do something worth while. I am asking, what if he doesn't? What if you are completely wrong, then how will you act?

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We heard all the same arguments when Carter was President about how great he was doing in light of the problems he faced. But then we elected someone with a different approach and had a complete reversal of the economic malaise of the Carter years.

Yes, Obama got dealt a bad hand, but never solved any of the lingering issues, he, at best, survived them without making them too much worse. His will be the first administration in the modern era not to ever have had 3% growth in any year. His signature Health Care legislation is collapsing under it's own weight while at the same time creating huge burdens on business and leading to more people having to get multiple part-time jobs than a decent full time job.

The number only tell stories for the people that want to use the ones they like to support their own purposes, but the basic trends of the last several decades are undeniable. They are can be blamed equally on BOTH political parties. That's what makes Trump different - he was opposed by ALL of them on both sides and he defeated them all because voters recognized that he was opposed by the Democrats, the Republicans, AND the PRESS. Many don't even know that Trump was a Democrat.

Trump’s affiliations have gone back and forth. Here’s a quick look:

Month and year of registration
Party affiliation
July 1987
Republican
October 1999
Independence Party
August 2001
Democrat
September 2009
Republican
December 2011
No party affiliation (independent)
April 2012
Republican

By and large both parties (and of course, the press) still oppose him, but the Republican Party seems to be coming to grips with reality, albeit reluctantly. The rest are still in denial and reeling from the loss of power. They're still stunned and continue to double down. moving even further to the left. The more they squeal the more it re-enforces Trump and his supporters that they are doing the right things. The post-election press still hasn't accepted that they're not destroying Trump as they intend, but are actually destroying their own credibility. The difference in how Obama and Trump are treated by the press are undeniable any longer. The sham of "objective journalism" has been destroyed.

Wealthy people in office:

No, I'd really like my govt. run by street sweepers or corrupt career politicians...

Sorry - I'd like to see the best, most qualified people available. Hard for me to believe that men approaching or already in their 70's are going into govt. service for the first time, for the money.

It's more likely that this argument is just the left grabbing at anything they can to stay relevant and fund raise.

Racism - Obama was supposed to usher in the new era and heal the racial divide - gee, how's that working for ya?

Just because I opposed Obama's policies doesn't equate in any way to racism.

The fact that you can so cavalierly make an accusation like that without any knowledge of my race seems ... well, just racist.
 
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Trump doesn't know what he's doing.

he doesn't think through the consequences of is actions, his definition of an expert is "someone who agreed with Trump"

here's a little titbit... https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/26/trump-signs-executive-order-stripping-non-citizens-of-privacy-ri/

he's made an executive order and not realised the implications, that it could make providing cloud services to the EU by US companies very much harder.

at a stroke he may have hamstrung a multi billion dollar (and growing) export industry that the US leads the world in.

but I'm sure he gets cyber..... his cyber isn't he best.
 
Well, Trump is literally off his rocker. Psychiatrists have also speculated that it's quite likely he's suffering from dementia. His lifestyle makes it likely, and his dad succumbed at about that age.

I don't think it will be too long now before Pence makes his move. Trump has started talking about using torture techniques that are worse that waterboarding, and he's warned China that he would use military force to protect America's trade interests.

[video=youtube;Gnnj_YjdJgs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gnnj_YjdJgs[/video]
 
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Trump doesn't know what he's doing.

he doesn't think through the consequences of is actions, his definition of an expert is "someone who agreed with Trump"

here's a little titbit... https://www.engadget.com/2017/01/26/trump-signs-executive-order-stripping-non-citizens-of-privacy-ri/

he's made an executive order and not realised the implications, that it could make providing cloud services to the EU by US companies very much harder.

at a stroke he may have hamstrung a multi billion dollar (and growing) export industry that the US leads the world in.

but I'm sure he gets cyber..... his cyber isn't he best.

I think part of the problem is that he's come from the real estate business where everything is about short term gains and you can succeed by screwing other people. In other types of business, and certainly world affairs you largely succeed by creating win-win relationships rather than win-lose relationships. He doesn't seem to have that instinct at all which is going to drive a huge wedge between him and the rest of the world (not to mention the huge array of powers in the US now arrayed against him). Hopefully he'll founder quite quickly although what happens next is anyone's guess.
 
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