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Necronaught

Necronaught
beelbeebub said:
smells of bullcrp, fake news more like.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38805163

the only person charged is a 27 year student Alexandre Bissonnette with know far right views

the Moroccan man initially arrested has now been released and is being treated as a suspect.

of course we could disregard the news reports from reputable reporters actually there and just make up whatever narrative fits our whim.

in which case the 9/11 attacks were actually a false flag operation by the bush administration to give pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq for oil and military contracts. Osama bin laden and by extension Islam were totally innocent. in fact all "Islamic terror attacks" have either been faked or carried out by committed deep cover operatives willing to kill fellow countrymen and die in order to make it look like Islamic terrorism is a thing.....

or maybe we should look at the facts.
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911 followed the Project for a New American Century Report (PINAC). Once you read that then maybe you'll get it. Oh and the BBC reputable. You made me smile there. It's so convenient isn't it that nothing has happened in Canada then this shooting suddenly happens at the same time as Obama's ruling that Trump reintroduced, incidentally for half the time.

Judging by all the attacks on conservatives in the name of Antifa. It's the left wingers who are the terrorists. What happened to the anti fash movement? In the 80's and 90's, when I was involved, we confronted the BNP and National Front. real fash with far right tattoos and they chanted real obvious, nasty stuff. All I see today is Antifa confronting hard working Conservatives. pathetic.
 

hairychris

hairychris
Morbad said:
Terrorism, hate-crime, etc...all terms that just obfuscate facts. Meaningless semantics in the overwhelming majority of cases.

Murdering someone for one crappy reason or another really doesn't change anything.
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Semantics are important sometimes.

Terrorism is, essentially, political violence, or violence done to change a wider population's behaviour. The victims are people who represent the target group. The aim of terrorism is never just to affect the victims, but to affect that society as a whole, so as a part of the process the perpetrators will usually make a point of saying who they represent and why the victims were chosen. It's a very efficient tool in asymmetric warfare.

It's a sliding scale. Hate crime & terrorism are on the same scale, the borders are a bit fuzzy as AFAIK there isn't a standard definition.

"One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter" can often be said as well.
 

beelbeebub

beelbeebub
Don Alvarez said:
I suppose to a businessman that might be considered "Restructuring"

Besides, crimes committed by white supremacists or their groups aren't generally categorized as 'terrorism', not domestically anyway, and traditionally have fallen under the purview of law enforcement or the FBI.

Know of any white supremacist groups operating in the Middle East? I don't.
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that's kind of the point.

a white guy shoots up a black church.... crazed lone gunman.

Muslim guy shoots up an office..... terrorist.

look at all the Muslim terrorists!

what should you do if a bunch of guys with guns take over a federal facility AMD start making video about how they are prepared to die fighting any law enforcement who tries to retake the facility?

I think we all know how t would go if they were black or brown.

if they're white you just wait for ages then arrest them and only shoot one when he runs a road block and pulls a gun.
 

Ian Skippy

Ian Skippy
Don Alvarez said:
if the obverse were true, and this never happens, may you then live forever :)

Our nation and it citizens can abide a great many things, but never an autocrat. The Constitution will not allow it.
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Lots of other nations and people thought likewise. Lets hope things go differently for you guys...
 

FuzzySpider

FuzzySpider
Don Alvarez said:
Besides, crimes committed by white supremacists or their groups aren't generally categorized as 'terrorism', not domestically anyway, and traditionally have fallen under the purview of law enforcement or the FBI.
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Exactly.

White men running amok, assassinating politicians, stockpiling weapons, or shooting up places of worship = random criminality.

Asian/African/Arabic men doing the same = terrorism and their entire demographic must be observed in case of the same behaviour.

Institutionalized racism.
 

Don Alvarez

Don Alvarez
beelbeebub said:
that's kind of the point.

a white guy shoots up a black church.... crazed lone gunman.

Muslim guy shoots up an office..... terrorist.

look at all the Muslim terrorists!
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to be fair, there's a bit more to it than that.

White guy shoots up a church - Hate crime
Muslim guy shoots up an office - Workplace Violence.
Muslim guy shoots up an office screaming "Allah Akbar!" - Terrorist. foreign or domestic? depends on his citizenship status.
Muslim guy shoots up an Orlando LGBT nightclub shouting "Allah Akbar!" - Hate crime and terrorist.
Black Man shot by White - Hate Crime
Black Man shot by White Cop, irregardless of circumstance - ZOMG RACIST HATE! RIOT! SHARPTON!!
Black Man shoots White Cop - Cop Killer. Pig got justice.
Black Man shots another Black Man - Today in the news, Caitlyn Jenner...


if they're white you just wait for ages then arrest them and only shoot one when he runs a road block and pulls a gun.
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Yeah its that magical fountain of White Privilege they all drink from. It's like a Protection from Evil spell, saving throw +2
 

Sunleader

Sunleader
Don Alvarez said:
I read somewhere alot of illegal immigrants come here on a legal work visa, and when it expires they just don't leave.
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Aye. True forget that one....


Adept said:
And it will cause a lot of harm to the wildlife, splitting the habitat as if an unpassable mountain range had appeared. It's a damn stupid idea.

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Wouldn't that put the panels on the side of the "thieving mexicans"? Surely you can't risk that.
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Its also going to further Defile the Graves and the Countryside of some Indian Tribes as well as Private Land Owners....

Javert said:
I have had a premonition today.

I saw the news headlines for 5 years from now:

Emperor Trump has informed the Mexican government that they are about to face military intervention from the Trump(c) United Nations and the Trump(c) Quaker Expeditionary Force.

The almighty and worshiped Emperor declared:

"For too long Mexico has oppressed and exploited its own citizens. As we all know, the Mexican government spent billions of pesos of money that they could ill afford, building a wall to imprison their own population in their country. Are we, the free people of the world, going to stand by and let this pass?".
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I would Laugh.
But somehow its not unrealistic enough to see it as an joke.....

GJ51 said:
I'm confused.

If the wall isn't going to work, why is everyone so upset about it?
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Well aside from the Wall requiring to Break the US Constitution (which Trump has Broken 5 or 6 times already in the few Weeks he is President) by Disowning US Citizens.
It will have Huge Detrimental Effects on Nature as well as on anything in the USA that has ever Resembled Respect for Human Rights.
The Last time Someone Build a Wall that was the Soviets to try and keep Germany Apart.
It will Cost Tons of Tax Money. Money the USA dont actually have lol.


Adept said:
https://twitter.com/i/moments/827010190473957376
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Why am I not surprised....
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
Becks said:
Because it's a huge waste of tax money that could be used for something useful?
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However, the wall will generate the activity. Good for the economy also ---- And it could be reused to recreate the Berlin Wall if one day the Russia invades the East Germany

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Becks

Becks
Patrick_68000 said:
However, the wall will generate the activity. Good for the economy also ---- And it could be reused to recreate the Berlin Wall if one day the Russia invades the East Germany

:p
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If it'd be about generating economic activity you could hire 200000 people to dig holes in the morning and to fill them back up in the afternoon. That would be more efficient, it would distribute an enormous amount of tax money directly to the population instead of huge international concerns, it would have a less negative impact on the environment (depending on where you dig the holes) and it would do as much about drug cartels and illegal immigration as the wall.
 
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Sunleader

Sunleader
Becks said:
If it'd be about generating economic activity you could be hire 200000 people to dig holes in the morning and to fill them back up in the afternoon. That would be more efficient, it would distribute an enormous amount of tax money directly to the population instead of huge international concerns, it would have a less negative impact on the environment (depending on where you dig the holes) and it would do as much about drug cartels and illegal immigration as the wall.
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The Joke is.
If Instead of Building the Wall. They would Simply Invest the Money into Hiring additional Police to Fight Drug Dealers and Finance anti Drug Programs to Help Addicts get off from Drugs. They would do alot more against Drugs and Help the Economy just as much by creating new Jobs all over the Country lol.
 

ArchEmperor

ArchEmperor
Stop reporting people for Racism when talking about nationality borders.... it turns into a Monty Python sketch with ease.

I was reported for saying "Mexicans" and "Difference between people",,, sort of....
Put these words into this sketch and you understand what I mean:
[video=youtube;MIaORknS1Dk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIaORknS1Dk[/video]
 
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Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
ArchEmperor said:
Stop reporting people for Racism when talking about nationality borders.... it turns into a Monty Python sketch with ease.
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Yes it is an easy solution. Mainly used, I think, by non-westerners and the people from the extreme left wing . And also by politically correct technocrats
 

Patrick_68000

Patrick_68000
FuzzySpider said:
Surely this is parody.
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The reality. And I forgot, there are also those who profit from immigrants in one way or another. As the boss for the cost of labor, workers in associations, the naïve people who are peace and love, and also the people comfortably settled in their life and who want to give themselves a good conscience for cheap, etc ...
 
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