Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?

[Tiwaz]

Just out of curiosity why would any of you care if PP would be OPEN only activity.
You still can grind your BGS pve in private, influence it etc. PP was all about PvP, how many people here actually do PP, because almost everyone who does (all the 10 of them) wouldnt mind having it as an Open only with direct confrontation.

Would this bother anyone on these forums?

Yes, it would bother me. I want to be able to participate in PP if I so choose without having to deal with the people who like Open.

If you want something that is Open only, ask for ONLY PvP activity which has absolutely no PvE activity. Like the PF civil war I suggested on another thread. Activity with only PvP that only affects PvP people by locking them out of stations if opposing side manages to do more PvP killing of other civil war participants.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Ok so the current state of the game is fine with you?

In relation to the fact that all players experience and affect the BGS, PowerPlay, CGs, Factions, etc. - yes - as that is the way that the game was designed, pitched, funded, developed and released.

You are scared/annoyed to go to Open (well maybe not you in particular but many do), and is forced to play solo/pg because gankers.

I do not enjoy direct PvP, from either direction - it's that simple. If it's not "fun", I don't do it.

Wouldn't it better if open had a purpose, shooting others had an in game purpose, its for everyones benefit.

That depends on whether that purpose would be at the expense of the other two game modes that provide player choice with regard to engaging in an optional play-style.

Look, I would want more complexity in my game, but honestly I am fine with the way things are, I mean I hardly loose any credits, I dont worry about money and noone kills me unless I agree to be killed, I am not scared/annoyed to go to any mode, I am free basically.

With what Sandro was talking about in the stream last night, once a player gains the attention of ATR, the risk of destruction to their ship may significantly increase.

Most complaints come from the pg/solo people about open being dangerous so I am suggesting to have content locked in open only, this way my guns wont go against you but against my in game enemy.

Not sure about "most" complaints - there are plenty of complaints from some players that prefer to play in Open about Solo / Private Group players affecting "their" BGS, etc..

I think everyone wins here.

If and when Frontier decide to gate permanent game content to Open, we'll see.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

You are being sarcastic but this is exactly what me and many others think. That's not the only thing they didnt figure out, but we can leave it to other threads.

What you and others want is for FDev to make a completely different game to cater for what you want. Sorry but that is not what FDev want. PvP is a very small part of the game, so if the game was based around that I can see it dying a quick death.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Oh, I see. Thus I cannot accept any missions which may inadvertently affect someone's PP actions. Even though I am oblivious to them. Thus I must pop into open, check with all local cmdrs before i accept the mission. Righto. These 10 PP CMDRs have an awfully disproportionate influence on my game.

One thing I've noticed is that whenever the "PvP" community wants to get more players into open, they never do it by asking Frontier to reward actual PvP activity. Instead, they want to punish players, who have indicated a dislike for PvP by voting with their feet, by withdrawing content those players have bought and paid for.

The three modes exist in the game because Frontier wants as many players to play their game as possible. The only reason why the "PvP" community has anybody willing to play with them right now is because we have the choice not to when we're not in the mood to deal with them. Take away that choice, and then they'll have to rely on their... charming personalities to persuade others that they're fun to play with.

 

[Lestenio]

One thing I've noticed is that whenever the "PvP" community wants to get more players into open, they never do it by asking Frontier to reward actual PvP activity. Instead, they want to punish players, who have indicated a dislike for PvP by voting with their feet, by withdrawing content those players have bought and paid for.

I'd be happy to see FD charge for future open only content, that way you have a choice to buy it or not. But removing something already paid for isn't on

 

[ALGOMATIC]

One thing I've noticed is that whenever the "PvP" community wants to get more players into open, they never do it by asking Frontier to reward actual PvP activity. Instead, they want to punish players, who have indicated a dislike for PvP by voting with their feet, by withdrawing content those players have bought and paid for.

The three modes exist in the game because Frontier wants as many players to play their game as possible. The only reason why the "PvP" community has anybody willing to play with them right now is because we have the choice not to when we're not in the mood to deal with them. Take away that choice, and then they'll have to rely on their... charming personalities to persuade others that they're fun to play with.

I already stated multiple times its not about getting people to open, if you want to play solo, noone cares.

What I care about is the fact that solo players affect the common galaxy while sitting in safe spot. You dont want to interact with others? No problem, why would you need to affect the work of others than.

We have no multiplayer content in this game mainly becsuse the 3 modes ruin the fair play and make things unbalanced.

 

[Lestenio]

What I care about is the fact that solo players affect the common galaxy while sitting in safe spot. You dont want to interact with others? No problem, why would you need to affect the work of others than.

Take away the ability for a solo player to support a power or their own personal favourite faction is a big deal. if I happen to enjoy solo and running missions for xzy faction, that should count for something. My gameplay time isn't meaningless to me

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Take away the ability for a solo player to support a power or their own personal favourite faction is a big deal. if I happen to enjoy solo and running missions for xzy faction, that should count for something. My gameplay time isn't meaningless to me

Thats why I suggested PP to be open only. BGS remains untouched.

 

[verminstar]

I already stated multiple times its not about getting people to open, if you want to play solo, noone cares.

What I care about is the fact that solo players affect the common galaxy while sitting in safe spot. You dont want to interact with others? No problem, why would you need to affect the work of others than.

We have no multiplayer content in this game mainly becsuse the 3 modes ruin the fair play and make things unbalanced.

Its not about wanting to avoid all players...just players like you. Many of us, I presume, would love to play in open, but not when it means playing the pvp game. If all the players like you left, Id play open in a heartbeat.

Its not personal ye understand...I just dont wanna play the game yer playing. I can understand why this would sound somewhat offensive but thing is, I dont really care because Im simply stating I wanna play the game frontier designed, not the game pvprs turned it into. I actually feel like players like you are being very selfish by laying claim to a mode not intended as a pvp mode...because of pvp play, open has been figuratively stolen from many players meaning we cant enjoy it without dealing with the kiddy brigade.

Open mode and those who have laid claim to it are what ruined the game fer many. Same argument, different perspective and the opposite outcome ^

 

[Lestenio]

Thats why I suggested PP to be open only. BGS remains untouched.

Expansion wise, I got very little value from the 1.x series of updates as it was. While I don't PP by choice, I still paid for it and don't want to lose it. It would set an example that content can be revoked for users at any time.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Expansion wise, I got very little value from the 1.x series of updates as it was. While I don't PP by choice, I still paid for it and don't want to lose it. It would set an example that content can be revoked for users at any time.

Indeed - and, as PowerPlay forms part of the 1.x season, it is part of the game that all players own, which includes console players who, if they do not have premium platform access, can only play in Solo.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

You dont want to interact with others? No problem, why would you need to affect the work of others than.

Can you get it through your skull that people in Private Groups are interacting all over the place? They are just not into the specific kind of interaction your experience seems to be limited to.

More to the point, people in solo do not want direct interaction, but they could value indirect interaction. For post after post you've been claiming: no wish for direct combat interaction disqualifies you from indirect interaction without any for of support. It's just a statement. It's just your baseless opinion.

We have no multiplayer content in this game mainly becsuse the 3 modes ruin the fair play and make things unbalanced.

And repeating this over and over again doesn't make it any less ballcocks.

 

[Robert Maynard]

For post after post you've been claiming: no wish for direct interaction disqualifies you from indirect interaction without any for of support.

.... in a game where direct player interaction is entirely optional and indirect player interaction forms the basis of the BGS, etc. and is therefore unavoidable, even accidental.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Zactly

 

[Darkfyre99]

I already stated multiple times its not about getting people to open, if you want to play solo, noone cares.

What I care about is the fact that solo players affect the common galaxy while sitting in safe spot. You dont want to interact with others? No problem, why would you need to affect the work of others than.

We have no multiplayer content in this game mainly becsuse the 3 modes ruin the fair play and make things unbalanced.

Thats why I suggested PP to be open only. BGS remains untouched.

o/~ One of these things, is not like the other.
One of these things just doesn't belong.
One of these things is not like the other.
Can you name it before we finish this song. o/~

One of the reasons why I like this game, is because I can coordinate with like minded players without having to try to coordinate my busy schedule with theirs, my gaming platform with theirs, or even have to choose between playing in Open with me or in a private group with them.

My wish isn't to force players to abandon content they paid for to sate the "PvP" community, who time and time again have proven that they make a desert of any game that isn't made specifically to suit them, but for Frontier to add an opt-in layer to the BGS, and add to Powerplay, a system that encourages actual fun PvP content.

 

[Roybe]

That would be fine if trying to develop what you like didn't get taken badly. But that's not for us to shove in OP's face. We'll give him time for the cynicism to set in naturally.

Excellent attitude OP.

Spoken like a true denizen of the Open debate!

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Its not about wanting to avoid all players...just players like you. Many of us, I presume, would love to play in open, but not when it means playing the pvp game. If all the players like you left, Id play open in a heartbeat.

Its not personal ye understand...I just dont wanna play the game yer playing. I can understand why this would sound somewhat offensive but thing is, I dont really care because Im simply stating I wanna play the game frontier designed, not the game pvprs turned it into. I actually feel like players like you are being very selfish by laying claim to a mode not intended as a pvp mode...because of pvp play, open has been figuratively stolen from many players meaning we cant enjoy it without dealing with the kiddy brigade.

Open mode and those who have laid claim to it are what ruined the game fer many. Same argument, different perspective and the opposite outcome ^

PVP is an intentional design by FDEV, we are not exploiting anything or using some special modes unique to us, PVP is an integral part of this game, its not optional in OPEN play, and its not going away anywhere.

 

[ALGOMATIC]

Indeed - and, as PowerPlay forms part of the 1.x season, it is part of the game that all players own, which includes console players who, if they do not have premium platform access, can only play in Solo.

you like the status quo where PP is hardly used except to acquire modules? Whats the point in having this feature exactly, just so we can say that everyone have equal influence in it? Ok, and how does it work for everyone? It doesnt.
I am suggesting something that will benefit everyone, PVP has meaning - less ganks, you guys can join open (because less ganks), BGS is still influenced by all the modes.. so whats is the issue? I doubt many PG/SOLO players even know what PP is.

 

[Lestenio]

you like the status quo where PP is hardly used except to acquire modules? Whats the point in having this feature exactly, just so we can say that everyone have equal influence in it? Ok, and how does it work for everyone? It doesnt.
I am suggesting something that will benefit everyone, PVP has meaning - less ganks, you guys can join open (because less ganks), BGS is still influenced by all the modes.. so whats is the issue? I doubt many PG/SOLO players even know what PP is.

Works fine for the people that paid for it, whereas your suggestion only benefits you and not everyone as you state.

If open players still think that solo/pg players don't play open because of ganking, nothing had been learned in any of these threads

 

[Jockey79]

I doubt many PG/SOLO players even know what PP is.

I doubt you've looked at "The Wall of Information" or you'd not have made such a daft comment, due to this thread being quoted/linked on it.

You may also want to double check your arguments, as one of the poor excuses PvP'ers use to attack the mode system in other threads is how people are undermining in PP from Solo/PGs and cannot be stopped by PvP. Which is somewhat contrary to your statement.