It's not as if PvP'ers care for PP - it doesn't have enough ganking.
See, we can play this game as well.
Didn't look very hard did you;
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/159-Powerplay
Modes Can we get more players into Open Play?
It's not as if PvP'ers care for PP - it doesn't have enough ganking.
See, we can play this game as well.
Didn't look very hard did you;
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/forumdisplay.php/159-Powerplay
I wasn't talking about PP Darling.
Here's the quote I replied to:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...to-Open-Play?p=6147016&viewfull=1#post6147016
There's a connection to other people playing and enjoying PvP. Maybe that's a hint?
If there was one, of course you should. But thank Zeus there isn't a PvP territory war.
No where you can go: this is our clubhouse, you're not allowed here because I am the Head Grand Visor General Commander of Lave or any of that kindergarten stuff.
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Do you have any EVIDENCE beyond your own assumption that solo/PG players do not care of PP?
Do you have any EVIDENCE that PP is meant to be player by pewpew? (and if it is, why the hell it is not rewarding pewpew but rather PvE activity)
I don't do any powerplay because I've got enough on my plate already, but I always thought Powerplay was about the PVP pew pew? Didn't Frontier say they were going to offer bonuses for any Powerplay activities done in open?
There were some "musings" by Sandro about possible bonuses, but that was years ago (Robert has all the stuff about that somewhere).
Also, PowerPlay is not about PvP because... PvP is absolutely worthless in terms of PP. In start, shooting competing player had merit value of zero. These days it has merit value of ONE.
PP was, and still remains to be, mainly PvE activity. Of course, PvP crew wants to think it should be PvP activity where non-PvP players would be forced to come into gunsights of PvP players who pretend to play PP but actually just want cheap and easy kills offered to them. Because PvP is essentially worthless in terms of PP and PvP people apparently want to only participate in PP through this worthless activity.
They don't know what actual "evidence" is. I keep showing them, but they just don't get it.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Here (11th March 2016):
And since I'm in the mood for pulling hand grenades
My thinking for this? At the moment, any way I slice it, I can't come to any conclusion other than Commanders in Open Play have a tougher time than those in Private Groups or Solo. So the playing field is basically uneven as it stands and in this case, maybe change could make things better.
.... and here (15th March 2016):
.... and here (6th December 2016):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uetVzNINdKU;t=26m40s
Sandro Sammarco said:
Im a solo player and I dont care about PP, I did try it and checked the reddit for the one I was pledged to, but its so boring I stopped it.
I do however feel that that this could have been somthing for the pvp players, the chance to shape the political lanscape of the game, and it could have been somthing for people to fight for, and I do think it should be open only, but im not FD and as they seemed to have forgoton about the droppped ball on this one its gone to the way of other things in game, I cant remember the last time I opened the PP map, its like many things in ED I no longer care.
Shame really as PP could have been so much more and even got someone like me who hates PVP (I do it other games) in ED its not why I brought it, but having somthing to fight for and feeling part of the power your ment to be fighting for, I dont get that feeling playing in solo and moving some cargo about, but if it was more than just doing a bit of BSG play then yeah I might have rigged a fighter and gone and found some Fed surporting scum.
Im not clued up on PP so I might be talking out of me rear here but it looks so cool, but then you get into it and its meh...
And yet the actual powerplay mechanics revolve around the movement of PvE tokens, PvP isn't reward at all, and they deliberately include all three modes. As the old saying goes, actions speak louder than words, and Frontiers actions are quite clear.
I will say this: the quality of PvPers in Powerplay is a lot higher than in the main game. Every single one of them had the courtesy of treating me as a human being by communicating with me, as opposed to a target to boil as quickly as possible.
The general consensus I got, about why Powerplay is unattractive, is that there isn't a wide variety of activities to do. Your choices are ABA cargo runs, or combat farming. You cannot gather exploration data to bolster your power, mine to fortify a system, or use the mission board to undermine an enemy. This means that unless you like the two activities I listed above, Powerplay isn't fun.
Bottom line is that the way Powerplay is designed, players have to choose between playing Powerplay, or playing the rest of the game. Is it any wonder most of the community chose the rest of the game?
Question: Why are more players needed in open?
How much of a difference will it really make?
Polls tend to show approx 40% of players play in Open. That's still a lot of empty space out there.
How much of a difference will it really make?
Polls tend to show approx 40% of players play in Open. That's still a lot of empty space out there.
Answer: Because some people think they are Sag A* and the universe revolves around them.
After about 6 months, there would be no difference to what we have now. As more and more people would leave the game or learn how "Block" works.
Those 40% in Open already prove that the "Block" feature works well. As we have some PvP'ers moaning they are lonely.
Yet other Open only players saying it's quite busy.
I think this is called projection.
Those plans for a Powerplay bonus for those who play in Open always sounded reasonable to me. I'm surprised it hasn't been implemented. I guess there will be quite a few players who are still enjoying this activity, and don't want it used as a method to ensure the Pirates get their Trader fodder. <shrug>
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For me there's 2 things wrong with Open based Powerplay.
1. I'm being entirely selfish, because I'm not interested in Powerplay. Other players who are enjoying Powerplay outside of Open will be screwed over.
2. Humans. If I can buy a cheap 2nd account and align myself with a competing faction, my buddies can shoot me again and again and again ruining the competing faction. Humans will do anything to game the system. So a nice simple system is out. It will need to be convoluted and catch these sort of exploits.
As always, in theory it sounds good, in practise it's quite the pickle.
1. I'm being entirely selfish, because I'm not interested in Powerplay. Other players who are enjoying Powerplay outside of Open will be screwed over.
2. Humans. If I can buy a cheap 2nd account and align myself with a competing faction, my buddies can shoot me again and again and again ruining the competing faction. Humans will do anything to game the system. So a nice simple system is out. It will need to be convoluted and catch these sort of exploits.
As always, in theory it sounds good, in practise it's quite the pickle.
I think you conflating two different things. You could make PowerPlay Open only, and keep the same exact rules that it has now. Or open bonus like mentioned in the now locked thread.
Your concerns come if the rules change and you get more impact for actual PVP. Although I'd rather see that sort of activity tracked and players banned vs limiting game play. Doing something like you mentioned isn't new.
Yeah, I should have specified Open Powerplay with PvP influence. Since the format of having natural enemies/allies suits PvP.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Last time I sat down and tried to design a rewarding and fun opt-in PvP system, I think it included an ELO system, a system to judge relative ship strengths, total played-time with a particular faction (to minimize easy 5th column sabotage), and a whole list of special cases.
Given how much actual development resources would be required to make this work, I'd rather they put that energy into giving minor factions more of a personality, by giving them allies and enemies, and reacting to you working for them. I've always considered it absurd that I can help oust a faction from its seat of power, and still be fed the fatted calf when I visit.
Its still something in my wish list, though, just not very high on it.
The answer is *YES*.
**YES**.
And thrice ***YES***.
Methinks you don't comprehend the meaning of "fair".
Allow me to explain why it appears that your comprehension is a failure.
*BOTH* teams can go to the empty field. Whenever they like. That is 100% perfectly *BALANCED* and therefore Fair. With a capital F.
Likewise, with Elite: Dangerous. All players have the inherent right and ability to choose and hop between any of the 3 Modes as they so desire. Likewise, it is perfectly and 100% balanced. Likewise, this is Fair. Also with a capital F.
Now,,, do you have any more questions about Fairness?
Yours Aye
Mark H
Hmmm, I'd describe it with another word that starts with a capital F.