Canonn knew the Gnosis would be intercepted.
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Frontier fumbled the event. But the idea was solid and backed by endless player requests. I want Frontier to learn from it but they probably won't sadly. Can't have everything.
But we already have the revisionism of "well maybe if canonn didn't suck and didn't force the developer.." and I am pretty sure logic and reason and how things actually work are easily made fluid to support an argument.
Canonn can't force Frontier to do squat. The notion Canonn had Frontier over a barrel is just a garbage bin fire. They have precious little more sway than any other group. Which is eleven tenths of SFA.
I'm both sorry and yet pleased Canonn's flagship was usurped to give players likely one of the best any only decent player lead events this year, on the back of really (really) ordinary news from the developer.
How about cutting people some slack and taking a step back and having a good old think about how sane it is to shrill about some perceived position of power Canonn are in.
It is very clearly note the case. Regardless of how much people want to bang that drum.
But we already have the revisionism of "well maybe if canonn didn't suck and didn't force the developer.." and I am pretty sure logic and reason and how things actually work are easily made fluid to support an argument.
Canonn can't force Frontier to do squat. The notion Canonn had Frontier over a barrel is just a garbage bin fire. They have precious little more sway than any other group. Which is eleven tenths of SFA.
I'm both sorry and yet pleased Canonn's flagship was usurped to give players likely one of the best any only decent player lead events this year, on the back of really (really) ordinary news from the developer.
How about cutting people some slack and taking a step back and having a good old think about how sane it is to shrill about some perceived position of power Canonn are in.
It is very clearly note the case. Regardless of how much people want to bang that drum.
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Why were they let down? They were taken somewhere, where they experienced a new way of Thargoid attack. So it was a direct trip to new content. The quality of the content, due to some day 1 bugs, could be discussed. But considering that Cannon dropped a hard time limit on FD with this one, what would you really have preferred: an empty system with nothing of interest, or a new event, with some content, with some problems, which also were ironed out merely hours after it was released?
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Looking forward to people on here demanding canonn be banned, or lose their jobs or something, now that it's turned out they're just as duplicitous (and less forthcoming about the fact) as FDev.
It's a combination of little errors, that on their own aren't the worst thing in the world but when combined point to a disturbing truth:
Fdev don't play their own game and they don't understand their players.
This is happening against a back drop of "trust us! We have things coming that you'll love!"
Only one of those things can be true. If you don't play and don't understand those who do, how can we trust that whatever you have planned will be any good?
The Gnosis thing could have been great, but that event wasn't the right thing to turn into another pew pew fest. I like what they tried to do, but they made a shambles of it (because they don't play the game). The galnet thing was just the icing on the cake. In isolation these are just little fumbles, when seen together though especially in the context of FD wanting us to trust them about the future, it should alarm anyone who cares about the game and wants it to continue to succeed.
Whether Cannon knew is irrelevent, whether the gnosis got to the cone is irrelevent.
What's worrying is that FD shoehorned more pew pew into an event organised by and intended for the non-pew pew crowd and thought "yeah, they'll love this"
I bet that's what they think about what they have planned for Q4 too, and 2019.
As always, people are very binary about this when distributing blame. And as is often the case, there's plenty to go around and it's not one party that carries all the blame, nor is there one party that can be completely excused. And that includes the party: participants.
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Your posting already looses any content at this point. You compare it with a cruise to the Caribbean. But we actually had plenty of warning. We knew that the Gnosis was heading to a direction with high Thargoid numbers. Eagle Eye reported that the Gnosis was on the Thargoids attack list. what more did you expect? An employee of FD standing on your RL doorstep and tell you that there might be trouble?
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We received a number of warnings. The AX crowd went to the ship and prepared for battle. So apparently those people were able to read the signs. It was very obvious that it was not a "cruise to the Caribbean". Even a trip into the unknown is an understatement. Because one thing was known: it's a trip right into Thargoid country. So it obviously was an expedition into hostile territory.
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So forget the "cruise to the Caribbean". Gnosis was the scouting spearhead to an area which the military found too dangerous to go to. Just for some reason, some people decided to wear colorful Hawaii shirts while charging at hostile territories.
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According to the last paragraph of the Galnet article the Gnosis is planning to jump out of that system.
“The Gnosis is currently adrift close to the eighth planet of the Outotz ST-I d9-6 system. We have begun essential repairs, but there is a risk that the Thargoids may return before we can escape the system.”
It may be that is just the first part of a multiple part journey.
“The Gnosis is currently adrift close to the eighth planet of the Outotz ST-I d9-6 system. We have begun essential repairs, but there is a risk that the Thargoids may return before we can escape the system.”
It may be that is just the first part of a multiple part journey.
You could have just said this.
"Its likely there will be many thargoids, as FD confirmed, and it is very likely we wont actually reach the cone sector. Stay on board if you are in for an adventure, if you just want to casually explore the Cone sector better leave now!"
This 100%
This is a news item from canonn's website
"Today we stand on the edge together, as we have so many times before. There are those who do not want us to take this leap of faith into the unknown….. There are those who’s reasons remain a mystery and yet expect us to blindly obey to their restrictions……….By being aboard the Gnosis today I can only presume that ALL of you have chosen to to defy the boundaries placed upon us…. unless you have experienced an extremely ill timed ship breakdown…..Anyway …….I would like to take this opportunity to thank you all….Gnosis Crew, Canonneers, Explorers, Traders, Miners, Mercs, Pirates, and ill advised tourists…..for joining us on this voyage, wherever it may lead. Dr. Arcanonn out."
i'll break down my thoughts on this:
"There are those who do not want us to take this leap of faith into the unknown….."
Those being FDEV who informed CANONN - No we won't actually let you Jump to the CONE sector as its locked off for future content.
"There are those who’s reasons remain a mystery and yet expect us to blindly obey to their restrictions"
Those being FDEV whos reasons were no mystery to CANONN as they told them "The place you want to go to is locked off for future content, you can try to jump there but you wont make it.
"I can only presume that ALL of you have chosen to to defy the boundaries placed upon us"
The boundaries placed on them by FDEV because the region is locked for future content
Canonn knew that they would never end up in the cone sector but, decided to let people believe it was still a possibility, which it never was.
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I think at this point it's kind of obvious that canonn knew something about what was going on, but didn't let on to *their* community for fear of losing their position of privilege with FDev. And if you want to insist canonn are just another playergroup, I'd like to hear an explanation as to why no one else has a megaship that they get the devs to fly around.
FDev are incompetent and duplicitous to a degree yes, but canonn seem the latter as well. Only people to come out of this with any credit are those of us who have been in or around the Gnosis, be it explorer, bug hunter or xeno ally.
As an aside, I hadn't logged in for a week beforethis due to frustration at c4 being chopped up, and now I can't wait to log in and save peaceful xenos from human warmongering. Plus, games are supposedly entertainment and you'd have to be a real square not to have had a good old laugh about the last 24 hours.
FDev are incompetent and duplicitous to a degree yes, but canonn seem the latter as well. Only people to come out of this with any credit are those of us who have been in or around the Gnosis, be it explorer, bug hunter or xeno ally.
As an aside, I hadn't logged in for a week beforethis due to frustration at c4 being chopped up, and now I can't wait to log in and save peaceful xenos from human warmongering. Plus, games are supposedly entertainment and you'd have to be a real square not to have had a good old laugh about the last 24 hours.
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Cannon decided to go straight into Thargoid territory. FD did not force them do to that, it was Cannons decission. They found a loophole to go into a zone, which was intended to be completely locked off and went for it.
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Stuff happened, FD also admitted that not locking the whole zone but just building a wall of locked systems around it was their mistake. But the fact remains that Cannon found a loophole to get there and wanted to exploit it.
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With Cannon inentionally trying to break into the zone which FD reserved for Thargoid content, they had no other reasonable option than to quickly establish at least some kind of content there. And that's exactly what they did: some content, quickly made thus with some bugs remaining.
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So come again: who shoehorned who?
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I don't think it was general knowledge since a large proportion of the commanders who went were there for exploration...not combat.
Nope. Absolutely not. There was nothing to suggest that the Cone Sector had Thargoids in it. There were locked systems around it, but Cone itself wasn't. The furthest Thargoid activity had been detected was Witch Head Nebula, with some Barnacles found there, and nearby Col 70 Sector FY-N C21-3, which is the system triangulated off the unknown probe signal. FWIW, Locked systems *do not* indicate presence of Thargoids exclusively... they can be locked for anything, and there are dozens of permit locked regions. Bubble Nebula was permit locked for a time, but then that got eventually lifted too and there's nothing out there (at least, nothing discovered)
There's never been anything to suspect a Thargoid presence in Outotz Sector (where Gnosis is) nor the Cone Sector (Where Gnosis was going), until FD put out this galnet article.
No one actually knows except FDEV, doesn't stop the speculation though all we know is its locked for future content.
The rest is just hype, and we should know not to believe any of that by now.
That's so much better than canonn, not knowing...
We're talking at cross purposes here. I said in my post it's irrelevant that the Gnosis didn't reach the cone. FD could have dropped them somewhere else and thrown the explorers a bone. Instead they stomped on the explorers costing them time and credits and leaving nothing but combat for them. They chose to be there aboard the Gnosis, in their exploration ships, that's true, but it's FD that made the decision to have nothing there for them but rebuys and disappointment.
I like the live attack stuff (if it is working properly) and I agree that FD can lock whatever systems they want. I just think that FD, when they saw the explorer hype around this event should have had a better plan than "moar pew pew! Get the hell out of here peaceful explorer!"
I mean is it really that hard to throw long neglected explorers a bone? How is stomping explorers with this event supposed to give them confidence that the Q4 update is going to be to their liking?
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If you add to point 3 the following sentence
"A complication that they didnt QA test, resulting in players dying at the hands of the station entity they were encouraged to defend, and being teleported 1,000ly away to a penal colony into the bargain." Then I'd say thats an accurate assessment.