Chapter 3 release date 28th August

[Pville_Piper]

Yep. Frontier loves their secrets and silence. I still don't understand why exactly. :S

Then you've not been paying attention have you... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nounced-quot?p=6929833&viewfull=1#post6929833 Look here, over 180 post on a few tidbits of information glean from a Galnet article. This is just one of many, many such threads. Rampant speculation rules the day... Peoples expectations exceed what even Chris Roberts is attempting... The merest crumb that drops from Brabens (or any Devs for that matter) mouth becomes a confirmed feature, long lamented and often misinterpreted.

That's why.

 

[DoctorDanny]

Then you've not been paying attention have you... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nounced-quot?p=6929833&viewfull=1#post6929833 Look here, over 180 post on a few tidbits of information glean from a Galnet article. This is just one of many, many such threads. Rampant speculation rules the day... Peoples expectations exceed what even Chris Roberts is attempting... The merest crumb that drops from Brabens (or any Devs for that matter) mouth becomes a confirmed feature, long lamented and often misinterpreted.

That's why.

It's LACK of information that leads to 'rampant speculation'.
Also how hard would it be for a FD representative to enter that thread and clarify things?

 

[Mengy]

Then you've not been paying attention have you... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nounced-quot?p=6929833&viewfull=1#post6929833 Look here, over 180 post on a few tidbits of information glean from a Galnet article. This is just one of many, many such threads. Rampant speculation rules the day... Peoples expectations exceed what even Chris Roberts is attempting... The merest crumb that drops from Brabens (or any Devs for that matter) mouth becomes a confirmed feature, long lamented and often misinterpreted.

That's why.

But, people speculate wildly DUE TO the lack of actual information about the game's future. In a dearth of communication people will fill in the gaps with theories, which is where much of the game's community is today. Thus, the behavior you link to above.

Hungry people scrounge for scraps, that's just human nature. In business though when trying to keep paying customers loyal and happy it is a dangerous position to be in, because hungry people will get their food from wherever they can, and if their current location isn't feeding them then they'll go somewhere else.

If Frontier would just talk to us about what they have planned and are working on, like they used to back before 2.1, then none of this speculation would be necessary at all because we would KNOW what was in store for the game's future.

 

[SP_Predicador]

Then you've not been paying attention have you... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nounced-quot?p=6929833&viewfull=1#post6929833 Look here, over 180 post on a few tidbits of information glean from a Galnet article. This is just one of many, many such threads. Rampant speculation rules the day... Peoples expectations exceed what even Chris Roberts is attempting... The merest crumb that drops from Brabens (or any Devs for that matter) mouth becomes a confirmed feature, long lamented and often misinterpreted.

That's why.

Or maybe is the lack of info the reason people debates about a galnet article. Or maybe people will argue both being or not being without real info. So that forum discussions can be not the reasons of the silence. But maybe corporate reasons (shareholders, rivals, internal development problems and change in workforce organization to not be shown...). Their silence is legitimate and probably what for their company is more useful. They are in their right, of course. But I think is naive and overstimating the importance of, to think is because forum feedback/backlash.

So maybe we shoud speak about what we think is better. In my opinion, good, accurate, relevant and disambiguating information, will always be superior to any other to the absence of the same, for consumer/player needs. And I a consumer/player, not a dev. But I can understand corporate needs. So I prefer to wait to patch 4 and see the work thay put in Beyond. As I was sure since last Expo that patch 2 and 3, thanks to the real and good info they give then, that these patches were will be of minor importance and almost negligibles. So I thank Frontier for the Info of the past Expo, while I wait for more good info about patch 4 (that forum feedback focused on explo delayed) and about 2019.

 

[Wendake]

But, people speculate wildly DUE TO the lack of actual information about the game's future. In a dearth of communication people will fill in the gaps with theories, which is where much of the game's community is today. Thus, the behavior you link to above.

Hungry people scrounge for scraps, that's just human nature. In business though when trying to keep paying customers loyal and happy it is a dangerous position to be in, because hungry people will get their food from wherever they can, and if their current location isn't feeding them then they'll go somewhere else.

If Frontier would just talk to us about what they have planned and are working on, like they used to back before 2.1, then none of this speculation would be necessary at all because we would KNOW what was in store for the game's future.

True. Fdev communication about ED development is erratic.

Why do we have to beg them over 1 month on the OFFICIAL Focused Feedback Forum Schedule to finally have the only answer we wanted : the FFF exploration / Codex is still planned and coming soon. Everybody were speculating for no reasons wondering if it will happen, raging against FDev during 1 month before they step in THEIR own official topic to keep us updated...come on.

Also, they said 10 months ago at the Frontier Expo that we would have a paid DLC in 2018...and then nothing. I'm not asking to know what is the content of the DLC but at some point when you see the LEP owners whining and bashing your business you could atleast make an official statement that the paid DLC is still planned for 2018 and that you are "very excited about it" and that it is coming "soon"

People are screaming that the game is dead / doomed but part of it is simply due to the total lack of communcation from FDev on ED.

"Hey guys ! we are proud to deliver 3.2 so quickly. Things are going very well around here and we are still on schedules to deliver chapter 4 & paid DLC by the end of 2018 and then we'll let you know at a Frontier Expo ealry 2019 what exciting things are coming for Elite Dangerous after Beyond".

They don't say anything about space legs and atmospheric but atleast they put some water on the fire. People are going crazy speculating that chapter 4 will be released in 2019 and that the paid DLC is cancelled...and that's because they don't have official statement to say otherwise.

I love ED and hate to see all the salty comments around here and I really think that more communication from FDev would really help...before I bought ED I made some digging to know more about the game and at some point after reading all the salty comments I asked myself if I should buy the game. Hopefully I did because ED is my the best game I ever played but I find it kinda sad to see all the negativity on the forums, on their FB page & youtube videos.

 

[Steph]

Could that big ship be a major revamp/return of the space dredgers?

Or a Panther Clipper?

 

[El_Hefe]

No way man, nobody here misinterprets, over analyses, nit picks to death and makes wild assumptions on anything FD releases. Nope, never happens, just look at this thread, 150 posts all thinking one teaser trailer is something different lol

Hell even if FD released a written statement detailing exactly what was going to happen half the community here would still call them liars and use it as an indication the game is dead/dying.

Yeah what a silly bunch,speculating on a teaser trailer designed to generate just that,speculation.

Jog on if you have no interest in discussing the trailer rather than insulting half the community maybe?

 

[Enderby]

It’s all so terribly exciting. Not.

 

[Pville_Piper]

While I agree that the lack of information leads to speculation, the reaction to any information leads to over excited expectations... Just look at how many people seem to think 3.3 will bring space legs or atmospheric landings even though FDev has clearly stated that it will be about improving current features and not adding features.

Personally I agree that they need to do a better job of communicating and I fail to understand why the promised DLC isn't being discussed, not even a likely date. As for 3.3, it feels like they're trying to manage expectations while they wrestle with what is actually do-able.

 

[MintyBiscuits]

I really hope the Alliance Crusader doesn't have the dog taking a dump landing gear...

 

[Barking_Mad]

... Peoples expectations exceed what even Chris Roberts is attempting...

Warning. Warning. Hyperbole.

 

[Barking_Mad]

While I agree that the lack of information leads to speculation, the reaction to any information leads to over excited expectations... Just look at how many people seem to think 3.3 will bring space legs or atmospheric landings even though FDev has clearly stated that it will be about improving current features and not adding features.

Personally I agree that they need to do a better job of communicating and I fail to understand why the promised DLC isn't being discussed, not even a likely date. As for 3.3, it feels like they're trying to manage expectations while they wrestle with what is actually do-able.

I've not seen anyone saying 3.3 will bring space legs.

The DLC isn't being discussed probably because they've not finished Beyond. It's likely there's plenty of QoL improvements in Beyond that they've not mentioned yet.

 

[GraXXoR]

Sorry, this is a cross post, but I think it's valid in any doom and gloom thread.


Personally, I just think FDEV should have stopped adding new, unconnected bolt-on stuff to this game a couple of years ago and actually replaced one or two in-game placeholders with a real mechanic for each update:

For example let's take the stunted, anaemic Galnet and see what we could do with it:

3.1)
Tie Galnet into the Galaxy map as the "Hitchickers Guide to the Galaxy" with planetary physical and social information news articles linked to their systems/planets/stations etc...
Make Galnet generally indexed and searchable by time/location/BGS state/keyword/activity etc.
Make Galnet keep live tabs on megaships and other in-game sightseeing spots, shipyards, alien ruins, Braintree forests etc and add points of historical interest with the Lore articles linked.
Similarly, selecting any point on Galaxy map would have links to Galnet with relevant articles etc.
Allow for a player added "Commander's log" to keep tabs on visited locations etc and add comments / votes / reviews to articles.
Make a couple of trending charts for currently popular places / articles within game to help commanders find new and interesting stuff and actually meet other commanders at places other than CGs / Seal-clubbing hot spots.

Also have a simple, web-based wiki-like addon to Galnet with addition of POIs such as beautiful views etc... Upvoted stuff gets mentioned in the newsletters and added to the official lists and becomes available in-game.
(I guess <13 year old players cannot access it due to EU rules on player generated content perhaps containing the occasional SRV track -pic or rude word).


3.2 )
Adjust the BGS to make it far more dependant on dynamic system states that are themselves more realistic and properly tied into faction/power shenanigans and Lore/Galnet storyline.
Add PP and factions into Galnet's searchable index for recruitment / marketing / bragging etc.
Maybe even have faction rankings/standings/number of systems held, number of players etc and current trending to make factions compete more. (Look at Dual Universe's community pages for how lively faction stuff could be).
Tie PP into the BGS together so that PP demand is actually connected to BGS and BGS responds logically to PP activity then remove stupid "PP trading commodity" and replace it instead with demand for specific commodities in each system.
Create a "PP Commanders' ranking" list for each faction to show off or help powers players choose their next undermining targets.
Include searchable galaxy wide power/faction bounties information for bounty hunters in this Galnet update and have the system track bountied commanders' last locations by means of the "report crimes on" setting or if they inadvertently get additional bounties/scanned by authorities. Include TOTAL past bounties incurred and past Bounty history including PvP kill history and stats (Power Play and otherwise) so that notorious commanders who keep wiping their bounties will still have a permanent non-hideable record of what they have done in the past or so that Thrill Seekers and Murderers can find worthy opponents to fight and defeat for galactic (in)glory!
Basically, any commander records would be available at security brokers' and even clean commanders records would be available on the black market for a price.

These two sets of additions alone would really make the game feel more accessible to noobs and more dynamic/living no need for fancy artistic yet basically shallow reskins of aliens or conditional, gated pew-pew and grindatious play loops for yet more weapons that at the end of they day are no better than any other weapon.

Also, IMO, new ships shouldn't even be considered headline features for patches and should just be added for beta testing as and when they are complete.

I honestly think that FDEV are headed in the wrong direction with stuff that few actually want.

Once all the frameworks are in place and accessible to all players, then by all means start some grand war between two alien factions... But currently without a working in-game database, news source and map, nothing going on has is even visible to most players. I actually didn't know what Guardians were until will after 2.x was over. I honestly thought they were the name for the SLFs.

 

[babelfisch]

Yeah what a silly bunch,speculating on a teaser trailer designed to generate just that,speculation.

Jog on if you have no interest in discussing the trailer rather than insulting half the community maybe?

You completely missed the point. Also, he didn't insult anyone. He just said how it is.

 

[Cmdr Eagleboy]

Yeah what a silly bunch,speculating on a teaser trailer designed to generate just that,speculation.

Jog on if you have no interest in discussing the trailer rather than insulting half the community maybe?

How is that insulting? He overgeneralises too much maybe, but overall he is right about reactions towards anything FD says or shows in forums. People seem not be satisfied with anything. How much they are representative to player community is hard to say, but as observation is quite spot on in my opinion.

You can't be salty and complain about people saying you are salty at same time. Salty doesn't mean your opinion is invalid. It just means it is your opinion. Nothing much more.

 

[lenna]

Guardians, I think.

My best guess too.

None of the video seems to hint at either the Krait Phantom or the Alliance Crusader but I would not be surprised if they are on the cards.

Assuming the Guardian AI machines are coming in force with the Q3 update, I wonder how player controlled Guardian tech ships are going to cope.

Another potential option is that the apparently Guardian type ship could be a new player controlled asset (either an SLF or a full on vessel).

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Then you've not been paying attention have you... https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...nounced-quot?p=6929833&viewfull=1#post6929833 Look here, over 180 post on a few tidbits of information glean from a Galnet article. This is just one of many, many such threads. Rampant speculation rules the day... Peoples expectations exceed what even Chris Roberts is attempting... The merest crumb that drops from Brabens (or any Devs for that matter) mouth becomes a confirmed feature, long lamented and often misinterpreted.

That's why.

It's hard to speculate rampantly on specific details however.

Let's look at it like this:

There is an empty lot that gets purchased by a development company. Construction crews come out and begin constructing a building.
Everyone who passes by makes a guess at what they're building - perhaps it's a restaurant, perhaps it's a pharmacy. Perhaps it's fuel station, perhaps it's... you get the point. This is Frontier, so we don't even get to see that there's a building being built there, we only hear the noise of work being done.

Whereas, a simple sign, placed on the corner of that empty lot that reads: "Future site of Starbuck" eliminates all the potential speculation. We know exactly what to expect. This is the exact opposite of Frontier, and like others have said - I don't get it either. They know full well what they're working on, down to the last ; in the coding. They could communicate this, but they choose not to and leave people scratching their heads and hatching all sorts of wild ideas.

 

[[VR] Deggial]

You have to admit, a new ‘Starbuck’ was the most likely option to begin with ...

 

[Factabulous]

You have to admit, a new ‘Starbuck’ was the most likely option to begin with ...

Battlestar Galactica / Elite crossover confirmed

 

[eqinox]

Sorry, this is a cross post, but I think it's valid in any doom and gloom thread.


Personally, I just think FDEV should have stopped adding new, unconnected bolt-on stuff to this game a couple of years ago and actually replaced one or two in-game placeholders with a real mechanic for each update:

For example let's take the stunted, anaemic Galnet and see what we could do with it:
...

I honestly think that FDEV are headed in the wrong direction with stuff that few actually want.

Once all the frameworks are in place and accessible to all players, then by all means start some grand war between two alien factions... But currently without a working in-game database, news source and map, nothing going on has is even visible to most players. I actually didn't know what Guardians were until will after 2.x was over. I honestly thought they were the name for the SLFs.

Wow, there's some brilliant stuff you described here Rep and much kudos!