Cheating in Elite Dangerous

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Meh, he got banned. I'm just gonna copy-paste what I said on CMDR PLATER's video;

As much as I respect him for doing a passive protest, rather than simply going on a player killing spree — I also don't have a problem with him being banned. Giving special treatment to someone cheating because of Robin Hood logic, is not a good precedence to set for anti-cheat rules.
Players have been asking for concrete statements and decisions from Frontier, rather than their usual vagueness. Leaving cheating open to interpretation and special treatment goes against that.
 
I still think they have no idea how to manage a community and they all stuck with 30 year old stereotypes regarding cheating and handling of it. Especially in a game where is Nothing to cheat on. No single Player has an Advantage above the others, and even if someone cheats in PvP, Shooting People has no Impact. NO IMPACT. And why does it have no Impact? Because the game is miles wide and an Inch Deep.

Yay, I am so Looking Forward to shoot thargoids in random generated Areas for NOTHING.
 
It just dawned on me, but if they’re banned to Solo, are they not still able to use the FSD cheats?...
More than likely, yes. However, in Solo, no one is affected by the fact that you're cheating. "Banned to Solo" means you're playing with yourself (no, not THAT way, dirty mind) so you no longer affect the BGS either.

BTW, I just posted this in the other thread:
 
It just dawned on me, but if they’re banned to Solo, are they not still able to use the FSD cheats?...
I would assume any cheats would still work in Solo, and since you can still affect the BGS in solo, still get credit for first discoveries, etc... it doesn't seem like much of a punishment to me. You just can't annoy other CMDRs directly.
 
Watchdog is a 3rd party app.
That monitors ED's processes.... you can't disable it without patching the code out (from my understanding when following the cheat forums). Which means if you are running ED without the watchdog check, you are using some kind of tool to patch out that check.... just like said trainer/cheat tool does.
 
I would like to apologize in advance if i am not reading this correctly, but the reason we don't have anti cheat is because.... FDev won't pay for it?
 
More than likely, yes. However, in Solo, no one is affected by the fact that you're cheating. "Banned to Solo" means you're playing with yourself (no, not THAT way, dirty mind) so you no longer affect the BGS either.
Nope, in Solo you are still affecting the BGS, tagging and mapping systems that legit players can't reach, etc, etc.

This is why "Ban to Solo" is a joke of a punishment. FDev really need to grow a pair and do a very public wave of permabans -- like all credible MMO vendors routinely do.
 
Nope, in Solo you are still affecting the BGS, tagging and mapping systems that legit players can't reach, etc, etc.

This is why "Ban to Solo" is a joke of a punishment. FDev really need to grow a pair and do a very public wave of permabans -- like all credible MMO vendors routinely do.
I'd rather they not, as they do not have the same revenue stream and budget as a AAA MMO would to deal with cheating. I'd rather they put what capital investment they can into those who will produce content we all can play.

Yes, in a perfect world, I'd like to see cheating punished and their names on things in game scrubbed away. But, no reliable, with fair oversight, exist to do that very economically when other areas in game must have higher priority.

As far as impact on BGS, I suspect that is a far easier to remedy issue, with them being denied access to the BGS's DB.
 
I'd rather they not, as they do not have the same revenue stream and budget as a AAA MMO would to deal with cheating. I'd rather they put what capital investment they can into those who will produce content we all can play.

Yes, in a perfect world, I'd like to see cheating punished and their names on things in game scrubbed away. But, no reliable, with fair oversight, exist to do that very economically when other areas in game must have higher priority.

As far as impact on BGS, I suspect that is a far easier to remedy issue, with them being denied access to the BGS's DB.
That's a very defeatist attitude.
 
I would like to apologize in advance if i am not reading this correctly, but the reason we don't have anti cheat is because.... FDev won't pay for it?
It's not they don't have anti-cheat, they are trying to fight the battle in-house with their own tools and dev team. I think Eleris nails the issue at hand (2 pages back) here, he is talking about another franchise, but I feel this applies 100% to FDev and the current situation with cheats.


In the first installment of the franchise, we used what I'd call a "whack a mole" approach to anticheat.
We'd procure cheating tools that were sold for our games, figured out how they worked (most were standalone trainers built with cheateengine and I made a small tool to extract the .CENGINE file from them which I could then open in cheateengine. I could figure exactly which piece of code they were patching and in which way they changed it), and then figured how to prevent them from working anymore

We had an arsenal of tricks at our disposal, one of them was to wrap some values in such a way that they were crudely encrypted in memory, so that finding them with things like cheateengine wouldn't work. We did other things such as randomizing the location of pointers to singletons to try and defeat some tricks used to locate variables on the heap (that didn't have fixed addresses) by following pointers from static variables (which are at fixed addresses).

This approach was time consuming and not very effective. We'd spend days of work to analyze and block some cheats, it then took weeks for the patch to go live, and then only days again for cheaters to find new ways of cheating.
 

sollisb

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That monitors ED's processes.... you can't disable it without patching the code out (from my understanding when following the cheat forums). Which means if you are running ED without the watchdog check, you are using some kind of tool to patch out that check.... just like said trainer/cheat tool does.
You've no idea what you're talking about.
 
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sollisb

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It's not they don't have anti-cheat, they are trying to fight the battle in-house with their own tools and dev team. I think Eleris nails the issue at hand (2 pages back) here, he is talking about another franchise, but I feel this applies 100% to FDev and the current situation with cheats.
More garbage.

They can't track what they cannot see.
 
That monitors ED's processes.... you can't disable it without patching the code out (from my understanding when following the cheat forums). Which means if you are running ED without the watchdog check, you are using some kind of tool to patch out that check.... just like said trainer/cheat tool does.
I have a habit of killing unnecessary processes before starting what i think might be a lengthy gaming session and im certain i have killed watchdog before, i have no idea what it does, but you can kill it with impunity.

According to a reddit post i just read watchdog64.exe generates crash logs for frontier.
 
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