There are other kinds of PvP than just dogfighting you know.
Clipper vs Vulture.
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There are other kinds of PvP than just dogfighting you know.
You would have done GG on the first one if you equipped gimballed. Your firing is such a waste of energy... How many shots you fire actually land? 10%? 15%?
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De-targeting the enemy ship does allow you to fire in a fixed fashion, but the fixed weapons do track slightly, even with chaff in effect. You don't get that with actual gimballed weapons in 'fixed mode'. They just fire straight ahead.
Absolutely. Looks like the Vulture is an out and out dog-fighter. It canbe fit for other roles (interdiction, even limited cargo 16-20T) and still keep the shield and combat capability high. But its not a multi-role ship
I feel its a lot more 'eve-like' in the fitting department - you have to think about what you, the pilot, want to do, and fit accordingly. There's no one multipurpose fit that I can see (yet) as each task you add in via module draws power away from the rest. And you don't have a lot to play with; 15.60MW with the A4 Power Plant.
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no they are not made usless by chaff u just de select target and you can use them like fixed weapons and all combat come down to pilot skill a good pilot will win most enegagements regardless of ship
I tend to agree with this - speed is such a HUGE advantage, and 99% of pvp dogfighting in ED is simply running or chasing. IMO all small ships should have the same top speed, and all big ships also have the same (lower) top speed.
LOL yesterday night a Cobra chased my Clipper for 60 Km while I was recharging my shields. I kept him at a reasonable distance at which he couldn't hit me, but giving him the illusion he could catch me and kill me. SIXTY Kilometers! When my shields went up I reversed and... poor him.
Ah these noobs...
I know.
Personally, I consider the auto tracking as much an annoyance as an asset, unless I'm sniping subsystems.
Both.
I don't agree with this at all.
Disagree. Maybe when we're all in Google self-driving cars this will happen, but no.
Its not really the Clipper's speed, (although it helps) its the fact its not mass-locked and can FSD away anytime it choses. Clipper dictates the fight...
The Clipper is masslocking anything smaller than it, including a Cobra or Vulture.
Good thread, and true.
There are a lot of Vulture myths being thrown around by trade-grinders (who likely never really flown in a Vulture or a Clipper or an Asp) in order to justify a higher price.
If they are so scared of a few more heavy fighters in space, why cant they share their great hordes of cash and hire some wings?
There are a lot of Vulture myths being thrown around by trade-grinders (who likely never really flown in a Vulture or a Clipper or an Asp) in order to justify a higher price.
If they are so scared of a few more heavy fighters in space, why cant they share their great hordes of cash and hire some wings?
Vulture is no good. Killed two of them with ease.
Actually thinking about it some more I agree - it wouldn't cut down on chasing/running anyway. And yes I'd forgotten that of course mass-locking plays its part.
This for example:
http://www.edshipyard.com/#/L=60N,5TE5TE01Q3we0_g0__,316Q7_6Q5K7_6u5A,7Sk7go12G10i10i
Set on priority 2: cargo and FSD
Set on priority 3: SCB : and use it only after retracting weapons.
It's not the best build of vulture, you can achieve more (PA instead one of the pulses), but I leave this as a exercise for a reader
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Vulture's convergence leaves sth to be desired so I equipped dual gimballed Pulse Lasers and keep firing all day everyday.
If an opponent uses chaff I'll unlock and get some shots in or circle around in the vulture until it's worn off.
A good CMDR in a Clipper should be able to take on a Vulture regardless, imagine the whining if a CMDR like me with barely 25 Mio Cr to his name could take down such an expensive ship...
If an opponent uses chaff I'll unlock and get some shots in or circle around in the vulture until it's worn off.
A good CMDR in a Clipper should be able to take on a Vulture regardless, imagine the whining if a CMDR like me with barely 25 Mio Cr to his name could take down such an expensive ship...
They do this, because a Vulture (if piloted the right way) can pretty much keep it's pray in crosshairs 100% of the time. Using gimballs thus ensures 100% hits on Subsystems (namely Powerplant).
It is for this reason that I'm amazed at this thread. I've never ever lost to a Clipper, because they're simply not up to keepying me in their sights and unless they have turrets, have no chance at getting my shields down..
Admittedly.. the clipper packs a much bigger Powerplant + Shield generator... so in theory a good pilot can tank any damage dealt by a Vulture and if flying in reverse should be able to keep them in his sights...
Hasn't happened to me yet though.
Exactly. Gimbals rule because no shot ever misses. Especially on the Vulture.
Also, using the Clipper to fly up close (and I mean really close) to a Python or Anaconda is a lot of fun. By that time you will probably be using multi-cannons on the class 2 hardpoints to make subsystem damage, and the C2s are converging well enough.
I think the Vulture is a fine fighter, but t is also so singular in purpose (and good at fighting) that I find it boring. I played the game for over a year non-stop, bought a Vulture and then quit the game for a couple of months (and I blame the Vulture for that!). Came back a week ago, sold my Vulture for an Asp (and then sold that Asp for a Clipper) and will never go back to the Vulture again. Both the Asp and Clipper are more fun. Heck, a Vobra and Viper are more fun. The Vulture is too "easy" a ship to fly and fight with, and totally lacking in versatility. Plus "everyone" flies one, which makes it a bit of a dull choice IMHO.
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In 99pct of cases - whether in PVP or PvE, gimbaled weapons outperform fixed. Sure, the opponent can deploy chaff temporarily, but all the gimbaled weapon user needs to do is deselect the target to fire in fixed mode. Sure, a gimbaled weapon deals less damage, but you don't do damage when your shots aren't landing. Plus, hitting subsystems is much easier with fixed. Really the only reason to use fixed is if you're an incredible pilot who can stay right in the targeting sweet spot the vast majority of the time and/or if you want more challenge/fun.
Given its weak shields, I'd consider that a fair tradeoff.