Horizons Cobra Mk IV???

[Bortas]

and option to buy Cobra MKIV to everyone.

Heavily agree with this... If its exclusiveness is the reason for it being rubbish, then please improve it and make it available to everyone.

I'm not so sure, if that's really the case, though. They introduced other ships with 1.5/2.0 which are equally crappy as the Cobra, particularly the Asp Scout, which is a downgrade from the Cobra Mk III in most regards, yet almost 20 times as expensive.

 

[Retu81]

I actually kind of like my Cobra MK IV. I was hesitant to try it with all the people complaining about it but figured if I hated it I could always go back to the MK3. I have personally found the MK4 is able to kill bad guys much faster with the better gun placement and since I mostly fight AI it seems fine for that. Killing Vultures and ASP Scouts hasnt been difficult. I agree the turning rate is crap but the extra internals really is nice. I can carry more shield boosts and such to make up for the slower ship and still have slots for mining (if I desire). It might be a really good combat trader since you can jam it full of cargo and still have a bunch of firepower.

I think the role of the Mk4 is a "jack of all trades master of none" ship. I'm not sure, I am looking already at replacing it though. Thinking of going to a Viper MK4 and playing around with that until I have enough credits for an ASP.

It also makes a pretty decent mining ship with self-defence capability. Put in a prospector and collector and you still have about 44 tons of cargo space left.

 

[WR3ND]

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Avoid pay-to-win you say? Maybe I'm dumb but i don't get it. How would free CobraMKIV contribute to pay-to-win? Maybe if would give away Conda...that i would beleive. But Cobra?

Yes, that was one of the stated reasons mentioned by David Braben.

I personally don't see much use in the ship at all, but if all you have is a Sidewinder, Eagle, Adder, or similar, I can see how suddenly getting a Cobra Mk. IV for free in the game could be a bit overpowered, skipping over some of the normal player progression, which could reasonably be considered to be a bit of a pay-to-win scenario.

 

[OMIKRONXI]

Anyone who has been ED-Player of the first hour and lacks the money to buy this cheap wheelchair must have done something completely wrong.

 

[WR3ND]

Anyone who has been ED-Player of the first hour and lacks the money to buy this cheap wheelchair must have done something completely wrong.

Or maybe they just don't choose to play the game the same way as you. I only choose to pilot small ships, for example, which I'm sure some would view as being completely wrong. (Sorry, space cows don't have much appeal to me. )

 

[shambles1980]

wording was wrong..
cant deny that, also cannot defend it.
You can say its not worth anything e.t.c But its principal.

Then you have the people saying, if i had known the cobra wouldnt be given free i would not have bought this..
Well thats a load of twaddle too.. if you would not have bought the game because you didn't think you would get a cobra. then truth of the matter is you wouldnt have bought the thing even if you really would have gotten one for free..

Simple argument really.
The wording was wrong, no idea if it was deliberate or not but really needs to be addressed in one way or another by FD.

And the people who say they would not have bought the game if they had known for sure they would have to spend in game credits to get the ship need to stop lying about it.
If that is your valid argument i am sorry but it is not valid at all.

the only valid argument is potential deception whether deliberate or not.
Its like taking your cereal back because there was not a free toy in the box and that's the only reason you bought the cereal, even though you could have bought a bigger better version of the toy for less than the cereal costed.
"the cereal thing is not the best example, but was the best i could come up with off the top of my head"

 

[WR3ND]

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The wording wasn't wrong though; It was just occasionally unclear. However, it was also repeatedly clarified months ago.

All I'd do if I were FD (which I'm clearly not) is tell people that are complaining about it not being free in the game to take a hike and if they keep complaining about it and push the issue, give them a refund, cut off their access, and tell them not to come back.

For FD to "make amends" in this situation is ridiculous and uncalled for. They're not at fault here for the apparent ignorance of some of their customers.

 

[bitstorm]

Is it just me or is his topic thoroughly depressing? Fighting for the 'principle' of not having to pay fake money for a fake ship you do not want...

Aye, which is another reason why I found the comparisons to other games particularly ironic. =/

And it's not as though the folk moaning didn't get something, they have access right there, the Cobra Mk IV is there in game.

 

[OMIKRONXI]

Or maybe they just don't choose to play the game the same way as you. I only choose to pilot small ships, for example, which I'm sure some would view as being completely wrong. (Sorry, space cows don't have much appeal to me. )

You don't have to quit your job and you don't need to haul cargo in a T-9 Lorry to become a multiple millionaire. In fact, I used to do smuggle and courier missions to random destinations the last weeks before horizons - in a tiny Imperial Courier. Made some millions by that AND had a lot of fun. Sorry mate, but 764K Credits for a Cobra MKIV is super fast acquired - if you don't have two left hands.

 

[llMurcielagoll]

Buying the ship with credits makes sense. Because I didn't find it in my stored ships, however I did find it available for sale for something around 749,000 Creds. Forgot where exactly. Also found a Viper Mk IV too.

 

[WR3ND]

You don't have to quit your job and you don't need to haul cargo in a T-9 Lorry to become a multiple millionaire. In fact, I used to do smuggle and courier missions to random destinations the last weeks before horizons - in a tiny Imperial Courier. Made some millions by that AND had a lot of fun. Sorry mate, but 764K Credits for a Cobra MKIV is super fast acquired - if you don't have two left hands.

Smuggling isn't the best example as that has been tinkered with quite a lot recently, but I agree that making credits in this game isn't the most difficult thing to do, if you know what you're doing. It's a moot point really though. Look at it this way: How many new players stick around in an Eagle for at least a few days playing the game when they first get it? Just giving them a Cobra Mk. IV out of nowhere would detract a bit from the game, I think.

 

[shambles1980]

the wording really was very misleading "right up to the point in the same paragraph where it explicitly stated can buy the cobra with in game credits"
Now personally i would have read the whole thing. but you could argue that they hoped people wouldnt. Which would imply deliberate..
however 2 words swapped over or 1 added to the 1st half of the paragraph would have left no doubt.

it is a shame it was worded in such a way.

 

[DCLXVI your God]

Is it just me or is his topic thoroughly depressing? Fighting for the 'principle' of not having to pay fake money for a fake ship you do not want...

No.
It is not just you.
What you're saying is all true.
It would be all true, even if the Cobra Mk IV was a good ship.

 

[Sapient6]

the wording really was very misleading "right up to the point in the same paragraph where it explicitly stated can buy the cobra with in game credits"
Now personally i would have read the whole thing. but you could argue that they hoped people wouldnt. Which would imply deliberate. <SNIP>

What would be the motivation for that?

In a similar real-world application of such deception the motivation is Profit. Since they don't profit from you paying Credits for the Cobra Mk4, the implication would have to be that they profit because you were fooled into thinking your purchase would get you a free ship. BUT if they felt that they could sell so many more expansions by offering a free ship, enough to make the deception worthwhile, then they could have just made the ship actually free (because giving everyone a free ship wouldn't cost them a single dime).

I think it's quite safe to say that there was no Profit-based motive for deceiving customers about the Cobra Mk4.

So, if someone really wants to argue that the deception was deliberate, they're going to have to provide a motive if they want their POV to have traction with anyone who doesn't think the Lunar Landing was a hoax.

Are you taking that stance? Do you have a motive to suggest?

Otherwise I think it was just inadvertently vague language, something they identified and clarified after the initial offer appeared. Seems like maybe FDev could stand to issue an apology to those who were confused. Maybe even give them a Cobra Mk4, but only if they can flag it to have a standard Insurance cost along with 0 Resale Value.

 

[OMIKRONXI]

Smuggling isn't the best example as that has been tinkered with quite a lot recently, but I agree that making credits in this game isn't the most difficult thing to do, if you know what you're doing. It's a moot point really though. Look at it this way: How many new players stick around in an Eagle for at least a few days playing the game when they first get it? Just giving them a Cobra Mk. IV out of nowhere would detract a bit from the game, I think.

The question to me is: what is this game about? How to earn lots of money so you get the biggest ships for posing purposes? For me it's more to find my very personal way of playing in this huge sandbox - but then I can't complain about less income. The exploiters will always get the biggest part of the cake. But I doubt they're having more fun doing so.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I am sorry but this is yet again a false promise. As per newsletter 49:

Being a Beta backer is the only way you will be able to play Elite: Dangerous until 16th December. In addition to that and the other existing Beta benefits such as Mercenary Edition and automatic permit to visit Sol, today we are also announcing: •25% off in-game ship insurance for life to all our Beta backers
•free access to one of the 5 new ships when it’s released!

We were all under the impressions this free access to the ship would be the new cobra. So if this is not the case where is our free ship and when do we get it?

Nope, that is the new Viper.

 

[WR3ND]

The question to me is: what is this game about? How to earn lots of money so you get the biggest ships for posing purposes? For me it's more to find my very personal way of playing in this huge sandbox - but then I can't complain about less income. The exploiters will always get the biggest part of the cake. But I doubt they're having more fun doing so.

I agree, though I'd call it more of a free form game than a sandbox game. As for exploration, which happens to be my highest rank, it's also largely related to how you play the game that determines how much fun you have (at least for me). I willingly and quite happily choose to go exploring in a combat capable Vulture these days, and it isn't actually half bad at it, and affords me some nice side mission and combat opportunities in and around the bubble. I'm having a hard time parting with the extra fuel tank to replace it with an SRV though, and have only done so in the beta so far.

 

[eldorel]

I have an issue with acting like people are being unreasonable about expecting the ship to have been added automatically.
FDEV isn't handling this very well at all.

In november, FDEV realized that the wording was easily misunderstood TO THE POINT OF CHANGING IT a month into the promotion.
However, at that point thousands of people had already made the purchase (or had decided to make the purchase) based on the information available up to that point.

At the very least FDEV owes an apology and a bonus (decal, bobblehead) to people who ordered prior to the changed text, as well as providing the option for support to grant players with tickets either the ship or the funds for it.



Additionally, The only place that this was clarified was a single line added to the red section on the store page, despite having posted the incorrect and ambiguous wording to twitter, facebook, and other media.

There should have been a second wave of media posts with the clarified text, or the changed store page made to attract attention in some way for people (like me) who had already read the announcements before the change and were just waiting for payday before finishing the purchase.

Since this is the second time that this type of miscommunication has happened, There needs to be a change to the way FDEV handles announcements.



My suggestion is for FDEV to create a cobra MK IV dashboard model, and give that to pre-order players who qualified.

 

[Rob_the_Sparky]

Who cares, just get on and play the game.
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At best you might argue they owe you a few hundred thousand in game credits (cost of a mk4 Cobra) but as that can be earned in a few minutes in game why on earth would you waste time on here arguing about it???

 

[Del-Dredd]

Nope, that is the new Viper.

And its a fight to get that as well, now they reckon we all misunderstood the newsletters, which we did not.