Horizons Cobra Mk IV???

But fighting for a useless ship...
Fighting for a principle. Don't get hung up on whether the Cobra IV has any intrinsic value. Whether deliberately or accidentally it was promoted on an e-commerce page as a completely free reward for preordering. Then the page was changed. AFAIK at time of posting FD haven't even acknowledged that change, let alone addressed any consequences of it.

Personally I couldn't give a rat's backside whether anyone gets a free Cobra or not. But I am very interested in finding out how FD plans to deal with what may well be a breach of UK consumer protection legislation.
 
BTW, just read at my favourite (german) news site an article of Horizons. Even here they say "...you will get an exklusive Cobra MK IV".
Everybody understands you will get this ship for free.
 
Last edited:
BTW, just read at my favourite (german) news site an article of Horizons. Even here they say "...you will get an exklusive Cobra MK IV".
Everybody understands you will get this ship for free.

Except they don't, and that is not the issue. I understood perfectly well that I was not going to get a free Cobra Mk IV. But I do expect one now, given the hole FD have dug for themselves.
 
this is from 8/16/2015

For a limited time all existing Elite: Dangerous players will receive a £10 loyalty discount plus the exclusive Cobra Mark IV ship when ordering the Elite Dangerous: Horizons through the Frontier Store. Discount will be automatically applied at checkout. The Cobra Mark IV will be added to your account when Elite Dangerous: Horizons Lands.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015081...izons/elite-dangerous-horizons-pre-order.html

It was changed on 9/06/2015 the limited time respectively appeared expired.

https://web.archive.org/web/2015090...izons/elite-dangerous-horizons-pre-order.html

For a limited time all existing Elite: Dangerous players will receive a £10 loyalty discount plus the exclusive Cobra Mark IV ship when ordering the Elite Dangerous: Horizons through the Frontier Store. Discount will be automatically applied at checkout. Those who take advantage of this offer will be able to purchase the Cobra MkIV in-game whenElite Dangerous: Horizons lands.

Not the first time they have done this either.

Still awaiting Free Viper here from Premium Beta and lifetime pass.
 
Last edited:
Fighting for a principle. Don't get hung up on whether the Cobra IV has any intrinsic value. Whether deliberately or accidentally it was promoted on an e-commerce page as a completely free reward for preordering. Then the page was changed. AFAIK at time of posting FD haven't even acknowledged that change, let alone addressed any consequences of it.

Personally I couldn't give a rat's backside whether anyone gets a free Cobra or not. But I am very interested in finding out how FD plans to deal with what may well be a breach of UK consumer protection legislation.

At least One person gets it +1
 
My point isn't the significant value, when you spend your hard earn money where do you draw the line at being taken? 1$, 5$, 20$? your line is different from mine doesn't make mine invalid, but that items were advertised which led to my decision to drop a significant amount of money, not to mention the principle, fortunately I have a voice and a popular space sim podcast, I will continue on with the game and with little trust in the Developers .

Yeah thats the way to do it; then you can be happily surprised...
 
They were not ambiguous in the slightest.
They said one thing one way in one place and another thing another way in another place.

This is an ambiguous message.

I had read one thing and understood it as getting the ship for free. I read quote sometime later that said it was access to the ship. I believe when we fly on a plane, we have access to alcohol and in flight meals too, so while it does bug me, it does not bug me enough to petition the company involved to give me a free lunch.
 
Think you still have to buy it with credits, it just becomes available for purchase if you're eligible for it.

This is correct.

Michael


I noticed this yesterday and I decided to actually do some research into the matter.
(since I distinctly remember Michael previously making a statement that contradicted this one.)


TL;DR Summary:
During the Lifetime pass offer, Frontier made very clear but conflicting statements on different media platforms and was ambiguous on the main purchase page.​
In some examples it was clearly stated that the cobra was Free, while in others it was ambiguous.

As far as I can find, the only place where it was CLEARLY stated prior to September that the offer was for access to the ship was during a twitch steam that I could only find via a third party Youtube post.
In all examples, the language clearly names "the cobra mk IV" as a noun, implying that the object itself is the item being offered.

The Official purchase page was not corrected to be clear until a full month after horizons became available for pre-order.

Additionally, the edit to the purchase page was a single line change with nothing to draw attention to it. Anyone who read the offer prior to the change and then returned afterwords to purchase would not have seen this subtle difference.

While the intent may be clear in retrospect and after research, that was not the case at the time many of us made the purchase.

Any existing player who was was exposed to marketing materials or purchased the preorder prior to September 2nd and did not watch the gamecom Twitch stream with David Braben was likely under the impression that the cobra mk IV was included as a reward.

Frontier needs to address this in some way.

--------

Supporting Details:
Score Card:​
Free: 4
Ambiguous: 2
Purchase: 2

Past history:
Kickstarter backers receIved the viper MK IV as a thank you reward.​
Comment>​
This is not listed on the score card, but demonstrates a past history of giving ships directly to players.


05 August, 2015:
Twitter post by @DavidBraben:
"I think you're mistaken. You're UK so should be £30 for an existing player or £40 for a new player. Plus you get Cobra Mk4."
Comment>​
This statement was ambiguous and easily misunderstood.

05 August, 2015:
Frontier Forum post by Michael Brooks
"If you own Elite: Dangerous and Elite Dangerous: Horizons then you get the Cobra MkIV"
Comment>​
This was in reply to a question DIRECTLY asking​
if pre-order purchasers "will get the Cobra Mk IV or if it will be available for pre-order(ers) to purchase in game."​
In context this statement was very clearly in support of the cobra being given with no in-game purchase.

05 August, 2015:
Lifetime Purchase pass @ Frontier Store:
"will receive a £10 loyalty discount plus the exclusive Cobra Mark IV ship"
Comment>​
This is the only mention of the cobra on this page, period.​
On it's own, this could hardly be argued to be ambiguous.​

05 August, 2015:
David Braben statement on Gamescom Twitch Stream:
" They get access to it. You still have to buy it in the game.."
Comment>​
This is extremely clear. You get access to the ship, but do not get the ship.

08 August, 2015:
Horizons preorder @ Frontier store:
"will receive a £10 loyalty discount plus the exclusive Cobra Mark IV ship";
"and unlocking the exclusive ‘Cobra Mk IV’ "
Comment>​
The first quote does not seem to be ambiguous, but the second quote states "unlocking", which lends itself to requiring purchase..
however, this was edited on 16/08/2015 (see below)​

11 August, 2015:
Facebook post:
"Existing players can take advantage of a loyalty discount and a free Cobra Mk IV."
Comment>​
This statement was not ambiguous in any way.
"A free Cobra Mk IV" does not imply that players only get access to purchase the ship.​

13-16 August, 2015:
Edit to Horizons Preorder @ Frontier store:
"The Cobra Mark IV will be added to your account when Elite Dangerous: Horizons Lands."
Edit to Lifetime Purchase pass @ Frontier Store:​
"The Cobra Mark IV will be added to your account when Elite Dangerous: Horizons Lands."
Comment>​
This was retroactively added to both purchase pages.​
This clearly states that "[The ship] will be added to your account" No mention of access at all, only the object in question.​

02 September, 2015:
Edit to Horizons Preorder @ Frontier store:​
"Those who take advantage of this offer will be able to purchase the Cobra MkIV in-game"
Edit to Lifetime Purchase pass @ Frontier Store:
"Those who take advantage of this offer will be able to purchase the Cobra MkIV in-game"
Comment>​
New edit to both pages. Very Clear. You buy the game, you can buy the exclusive ship.
Finally fixed, A MONTH LATE.
However, There were NO formatting changes to draw attention to this edit.
Anyone who read the page prior to the changes and then returned to order the game later would NOT have seen this edit.
 
They said one thing one way in one place and another thing another way in another place.

This is an ambiguous message.

actually, that's incorrect.


Stating two different things in different places is contradictory, not ambiguous.
Ambiguous requires the ability for a single statement to be interpreted in multiple different ways.


for example, "Look at the dog with one eye" is ambiguous because you don't know whether the dog has only one eye or if the speaker wants you to use only one eye to look at the dog.


In this case, the statements made on the Facebook page, made by michael, and made by David Braben in the twitch stream were contradictory, and the statements on the 'original' store page were ambiguous.


Then they edited the store page to remove the abiguity, but a ton of people had already made thier purchases based on the statements on facebook and the forums.
 
Is it just me or is his topic thoroughly depressing? Fighting for the 'principle' of not having to pay fake money for a fake ship you do not want...

I just can't believe people are crying over a ship that is A: pretty cheap anyway and B: pretty rubbish to go along with it...

Guys you get a ship with a few more internals, an extra small gun which you won't be able to use because you won't be able to keep up with so much as a drifting cargo canister, and the same grade everything else so even if you decided to use it to land on planets you can't jump as far as the MKIII.

Its like complaining that you've been smoking for 20 years and haven't received lung cancer yet, you ain't missing anything.
 
I just can't believe people are crying over a ship that is A: pretty cheap anyway and B: pretty rubbish to go along with it...

Guys you get a ship with a few more internals, an extra small gun which you won't be able to use because you won't be able to keep up with so much as a drifting cargo canister, and the same grade everything else so even if you decided to use it to land on planets you can't jump as far as the MKIII.

Its like complaining that you've been smoking for 20 years and haven't received lung cancer yet, you ain't missing anything.
Agree.
It sucks so much it's not worth it.
 
I wonder what they thought during the balancing and creating side what this was supposed to be.. You can understand they didnt want to create a ship that could be considered as PTW but they seem to have created a nerf ship with no purpose which is almost as equally frustrating
 
I actually kind of like my Cobra MK IV. I was hesitant to try it with all the people complaining about it but figured if I hated it I could always go back to the MK3. I have personally found the MK4 is able to kill bad guys much faster with the better gun placement and since I mostly fight AI it seems fine for that. Killing Vultures and ASP Scouts hasnt been difficult. I agree the turning rate is crap but the extra internals really is nice. I can carry more shield boosts and such to make up for the slower ship and still have slots for mining (if I desire). It might be a really good combat trader since you can jam it full of cargo and still have a bunch of firepower.

I think the role of the Mk4 is a "jack of all trades master of none" ship. I'm not sure, I am looking already at replacing it though. Thinking of going to a Viper MK4 and playing around with that until I have enough credits for an ASP.
 
I preorder ED:Horizons 8/13/2015! Where is my free Cobra so I can sell it right away and get 600k CR !!!

When i did order the game page said and I quote:

For a limited time all existing Elite: Dangerous players will receive a £10 loyalty discount plus the exclusive Cobra Mark IV ship when ordering the Elite Dangerous: Horizons through the Frontier Store. Discount will be automatically applied at checkout. The Cobra Mark IV will be added to your account when Elite Dangerous: Horizons Lands.

I demand justice !
 
Last edited:
Is it just me or is his topic thoroughly depressing? Fighting for the 'principle' of not having to pay fake money for a fake ship you do not want...
If that was indeed the principle being fought for you might have a point. But it isn't, and so you don't. This isn't about the perceived worth or otherwise of a virtual good. It's about the conflicting information used to advertise the availability of that good. If this information was misleading, whether deliberately or otherwise, and if the misleading information might have led to consumers making a purchase on the strength of it, then it may be in breach of UK legislation.
 
It's been known for months now as publicly stated directly by Frontier and David Braben himself that the Cobra Mk. IV was going to be available for purchase in-game for those who qualify.

Part of the reason for this was to avoid a pay-to-win scenario.

If you didn't know this already, it's because you weren't paying attention and/or only heard what you wanted to.

Likewise, if you were unsure, you could have just asked... months ago, and any number of people on the forums here (myself included) could have set you straight.
 
Last edited:
They should just give everyone that pre-ordered horizons 600K credits since that's what everyone will do with the ship anyhow.
 
They should just give everyone that pre-ordered horizons 600K credits since that's what everyone will do with the ship anyhow.

No. What they should do is give some decal as thanks to those who backed them up and option to buy Cobra MKIV to everyone. It's a dumb move to lock game content just because they bought a game after releasing date.

It's been known for months now as publicly stated directly by Frontier and David Braben himself that the Cobra Mk. IV was going to be available for purchase in-game for those who qualify.

Part of the reason for this was to avoid a pay-to-win scenario.

If you didn't know this already, it's because you weren't paying attention and/or only heard what you wanted to.

Likewise, if you were unsure, you could have just asked... months ago, and any number of people on the forums here (myself included) could have set you straight.

Avoid pay-to-win you say? Maybe I'm dumb but i don't get it. How would free CobraMKIV contribute to pay-to-win? Maybe if would give away Conda...that i would beleive. But Cobra?
 
Back
Top Bottom