Colonia Engineers

[rodvik]

I've full access to all engineers and I've been using them extensively on every new ship I buy. I've also been to colonia in the past, and spent about 3 months there, visited BP and finally returned to the bubble.

I mean to say that this change doesn't affect me, personally. Having said that, I think it's stupid to ask people in Colonia, those that haven't used engineers before to travel all this distance and back. If they don't, suddenly they're at a disadvantage against all those that arrive fully prepared and able to engineer the ships they buy locally without having to wait 60 hours for them to transfer from the bubble and at a huge cost.

Why does this company have to give with one hand and take with the other?

Thinking about it, this could be an opportunity. If they remove the low level unlock requirements in Colonia , which I suspect they will after this thread and community feedback then with some extra work they could add some extra cool gameplay.

Namely if you are a starting player in the bubble and you have not unlocked the engineers in the bubble then you can, instead of collecting all the materials in the bubble, then fly 22k ly instead and have an adventure with a fun reward at the end. Alternate progression paths are always good.

 

[Ian Phillips]

Removed several off topic posts by various users that were disussing other forum users. Please don't do that, and do remember to be civil to each other.

Thanks.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Hey FDev!

Please make the unlock requirements for the Colonia engineers be the delivery of 200 Hutton mugs.
I want to watch the salt death of the Universe!

 

[Ian Phillips]

Not a problem. But you need to address the issue of certain forum users being deliberately inflammatory.

Let me just check on some infraction histories.

 

[Drelthar]

What would have made sense would have been for the initial unlock requirements to be, I dunno, reaching Colonia?

 

[WR3ND]

What would have made sense would have been for the initial unlock requirements to be, I dunno, reaching Colonia?

Beagle Point. That was Jaques's jump target after all.

And yes, Jaques should be one of the Engineers. How cool would that be?

 

[rodvik]

And yes, Jaques should be one of the Engineers. How cool would that be?

That would be very cool.

 

[Ian Doncaster]

I mean to say that this change doesn't affect me, personally. Having said that, I think it's stupid to ask people in Colonia, those that haven't used engineers before to travel all this distance and back. If they don't, suddenly they're at a disadvantage against all those that arrive fully prepared and able to engineer the ships they buy locally without having to wait 60 hours for them to transfer from the bubble and at a huge cost.

Thing is, those people are already at a "disadvantage" (not that there's a lot of competition in Colonia which requires a fully engineered ship, of course) versus anyone who's been back to the bubble any time in the last 6 months and pinned blueprints with the engineers there - and can therefore already engineer to G5 any ship they buy locally. Even if they were given access to the local engineers without needing a round trip, they'd only be able to get at most G3 from that anyway (and perhaps a narrower total set of blueprints too)

They're also at a disadvantage versus anyone who's been making trips back to get tech broker unlocks (about half the human ones you can do locally with a bit of patience, but none of the guardian ones). It's just how it works that if you insist on never making shopping trips - and I've made just one in the last 18 months - you'll not have quite so many options available.

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

Here's an idea:
Put a post out inviting everyone who has not unlocked the basic engineers inviting them to co-operate in unlocking them.
Some gather meta alloys for Farseer and share with others.

Make a Colonia Special Event out of it like one of the much vaunted exploration events.

Ya can all suicide back to the bubble. By another Asp or whatever ship you want to use to get back. Take said exploration/mining ship back to Colonia. Swap the relevant modules into your original ship. Sell the newly bought one.
Work together to improve the Colonia engineers (you guys seem to love your co-operation and long distance haulage so that really shouldn't be an issue).
If you've not used engineers in all this time why do you suddenly give a fig now?
I thought the 'i' word folks would be leaping for joy on this one!?
Building up a second human bubble over time was the whole thing with Colonia was it not?
FDEV give you stuff that chimes with the way you guys have been playing and instead of 'oh sweet Christmas my 'i' word' it's now 'oh my convenience'.

You guys chose to be out there. Engage with it, make an expedition out of it. Get it published in Sagittarius Eye, get it in the news on Galnet, get in the weekly news letter.

Be the hardy explorers and frontiers folk you went out there to be! Rise to the challenge! MAKE COLONIA PROUD!

 

[Lestat]

Ye..engineers in Colonia is a welcome addition but there seems no real need to force people back to bubble. I don't see who gains from that.

It funny it just seems your asking for a lazy button. If you feel 40k ly is too far then don't do it. Back when Elite first came out 40k was a long distance and it took Months to do. Now we can do it in days. We don't need a lazy mode.

 

[disorganise]

Beagle Point. That was Jaques's jump target after all.

And yes, Jaques should be one of the Engineers. How cool would that be?

That would be doubly cool since it would allow non horizons folk access to an engineer. Which is why it won't likely happen. I think they did say 'planet bases' or something similar.

 

[WR3ND]

... I think they did say 'planet bases' or something similar.

Shame, then. The beatdown of the meta twerk continues.

 

[Lestat]

Get a grip mate. It's not lazy to ask that unnecessary boredom isn't added to the game. Did you not read back what you just typed and think 'will this sound stupid?'

What I seeing is you trying to make a lame excuse. So you don't have to return to the bubble. Listen. I live in the mountains Kinda like Colonia. So anything good is in the Cities. I don't have a Starbuck shove at every corner of town. In fact, we don't have a Starbuck in the town I live in.

Here what I learn living a real life living in a Town kinda like Colonia. Every month We go down a larger city to buy food for a month. It a few hours drive. Ya, it can be boring but it a sacrifice If you want to live in a small town just like Colonia. Do a trip once a month.

 

[Knot2clever]

What I seeing is you trying to make a lame excuse. So you don't have to return to the bubble. Listen. I live in the mountains Kinda like Colonia. So anything good is in the Cities. I don't have a Starbuck shove at every corner of town. In fact, we don't have a Starbuck in the town I live in.

Here what I learn living a real life living in a Town kinda like Colonia. Every month We go down a larger city to buy food for a month. It a few hours drive. Ya, it can be boring but it a sacrifice If you want to live in a small town just like Colonia. Do a trip once a month.

I hear you, my nearest KFC is a 45 minute drive.

 

[Cosmo]

So if you're in Colonia you get engineers. But you have to fly back to the bubble to unlock them - so a 40,000ly round trip. Boooooring. And then they're rubbish until you upgrade them so as well as engineering grind you now have a grind to access the grind. Please stop with the grind. Grind within grind. I'm starting to think FDev view this as a social experiment. How much can they get people repeating the same mononous tasks. How far can they push it?

Yeah this is too much of a time sink. Players who are in Colonia already put lots of time into the game just to get there.

The engineers in Colonia should be accessible for anyone without needing to first grind in the Bubble.

Frontier game designers: learn that tedious grind is not fun! People have limited time to play this game, so "more grind" is not good and won't win back old players.

 

[Ralph Vargr]

Obsidian Ant complains a lot lately. I'm not an explorer and don't mind. His opinion doesn't carry more weight than yours or mine.

Hmmm. I have no You Tube channel or subscribers. Obsidian Ant does. So, perhaps people *like* his opinions. No one is obligated to, of course.

I would place a good bet that if *I* started a You Tube channel, it would have perhaps *zero* subscribers, including myself.

 

[WR3ND]

Yeah this is too much of a time sink. Players who are in Colonia already put lots of time into the game just to get there.

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There, and back again, and there again, and back again. Not really anything new in that regard. I'm not really seeing the issue. Seems like the point of having a remote location like this in the first place, no? And if people don't want to bother going there, what's so wrong about not going there? It's only an issue if the new Engineers there offer otherwise exclusive content, as I see it.

There's already talk of people offering rides out there and back again with the carriers, so we'll see how that works out. Might be an option.

 

[CMDR Redcrest]

Yeah this is too much of a time sink. Players who are in Colonia already put lots of time into the game just to get there.

The engineers in Colonia should be accessible for anyone without needing to first grind in the Bubble.

Frontier game designers: learn that tedious grind is not fun! People have limited time to play this game, so "more grind" is not good and won't win back old players.

The basic 5 engineers are there for new players to get out there. If you haven't engaged with the basic five engineers in all this time (what two years!?) then that's because you chose to be out at the butt end of nowhere.

As has been said before: suicidewinder back to the bubble. Do what needs be done. Head back in the upgraded ship of your choice now with pinned blueprints to improve whatever ships you buy out there.

Hell, if you went the long way back and dropped your exploration data along with the prerequisite meta alloys off at Farseer you'd have her at grade 5 instantly. Elvira also takes exploration data iirc. 2 down 3 to go.

The folks out in Colonia are supposed to be rough hewn and hardy frontiers folk. Yet they balk at a trip to the bubble.!!!???

There's a whole event begging to happen out of all this:

THE GREAT VISIT
"In an effort to introduce engineering services to Colonia many brave pilots have faced the depths of space to return taking detailed blueprints and instruction manuals to the new engineers that have made the long journey out to the new human 'bubble'.

One of the new engineers, speaking via longe range voice communications (who's name is unclear at this time due to some interference on the line), had this to say:
"The brave souls out in Colonia require the expertise of skilled engineers if they are to further study and understand the far reaches of space. I managed to make it out here but the provisions are somewhat basic and require the assistance of the Colonians to upgrade these initially meagre facilities. Reaching out to other engineers in the home systems will provide upgraded data connections in order to collaborate and ensure the services we provide live up to the expectations of those stalwart commanders"
Many commanders are making the return trips home soon and will likely have many tales of the black to share. So if you see a Colonian in a bar be sure to buy them a round and share a story or two."

 

[WR3ND]

What I seeing is you trying to make a lame excuse. So you don't have to return to the bubble. Listen. I live in the mountains Kinda like Colonia. So anything good is in the Cities. I don't have a Starbuck shove at every corner of town. In fact, we don't have a Starbuck in the town I live in.

Here what I learn living a real life living in a Town kinda like Colonia. Every month We go down a larger city to buy food for a month. It a few hours drive. Ya, it can be boring but it a sacrifice If you want to live in a small town just like Colonia. Do a trip once a month.

It's nice having meaningful choices in the game outside of the contrived progression meta, though this may be undermined by it depend on what the Engineers there have to offer, if it's exclusive content in the game. We shall see.

 

[Stigbob]

What I seeing is you trying to make a lame excuse. So you don't have to return to the bubble. Listen. I live in the mountains Kinda like Colonia. So anything good is in the Cities. I don't have a Starbuck shove at every corner of town. In fact, we don't have a Starbuck in the town I live in.

Here what I learn living a real life living in a Town kinda like Colonia. Every month We go down a larger city to buy food for a month. It a few hours drive. Ya, it can be boring but it a sacrifice If you want to live in a small town just like Colonia. Do a trip once a month.

Half the attraction of Colonia (or living remotely) is being in the middle of nowhere. You can't really appreciate that without trips to the bubble to see what you aren't missing.