Whatever with the game itself, but it's defintely ruined my server connections. In 10 years of playing ED I have never had anywhere near the connection issues I am having since it started. I literally get mulitple drop outs every session now ... where I could previous count the amount of drop outs, over ten years, on two hands.
Colonization seems to have destroyed the frontier
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counterpoint: as long as bridges are still needed in order to counter the 15ly range to reach the systems people want to colonise, a cap is a bad idea. Don't feed me any debate nonsense about snark with parting shot like that either.
And that's ignoring Frontier's direct statement that you'd be able to build out to wherever.
and yet your line of argument is exactly the same selfish position - because YOU don´t like the idea of POI beeing colonized YOU want this to be inhibited..... YOU get my point i think....
It's my understanding, and experience, that significant in game POIs are protected from colonisation.
Let the debate on what constitutes a "significant in game POI" commence
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from my POV someone going to POI is not an explorer but a tourist. We explorers find POI!
The route to go (according to me and no one else) if you just want to go exploring (and this from a non explorer) and avoid the engineering grind is to get yourself one of the new SCO drives from the tech brokers. You need a corrosion resistant cargo rack, a titan drive component, some propulsion elements and a few other bits and away you go. No need to engineer much else on your ship, A/D rate.
Was that second account and grind before your recent return because the amount of stuff and rolls needed to engineer things was reduced considerably last year so even unlocking and getting to level 5 access with a new engineer is much faster.
But I don't own it...
The expansion of the bubble is not linear. In about a year it will pretty much hit a brick wall, unless we have an exponential increase in player count who engages in colonisation. Nobody is making it to Colonia via chaining outposts, even if they could extrude out one outpost per day, for at least 5 years (hypothetically if commodities like CMM composites is always within reach, which it will not be). I don't see the problem?
This suggestion is ignoring the game lore. Who exists in this universe? The Empire is super capitalist, with an aristocracy. The Federation is super capitalist, with a veneer of democracy. The Alliance is super capitalist, with a veneer of democratic socialism. Seeing the pattern? If the game lore says Brewer will put a colony anywhere a pilot wants, and places exist that would make good tourism money, the superpowers should be snapping that up if players aren't.
How so?
I tend to agree that the frontier towns of the bubble have been lost with colonization. We went for a bizarrely static area of populated space to a freakishly fast rate of expansion. (This'll be an unpopular opinion, but I think station construction costs should be much higher than they are now. Somewhere around double, so expansion requires a group effort and slows down.)
That said, I believe new frontier towns should either appear naturally as the excitement around expansion dies down or as populated space spreads out and player density thins out. And if they don't appear naturally now you can construct them, just need to find a finger of expansion that's fairly far out and build a finger of your own tangentially to it.
Time will tell how this plays out, but I think colonization will be a net positive.
That said, I believe new frontier towns should either appear naturally as the excitement around expansion dies down or as populated space spreads out and player density thins out. And if they don't appear naturally now you can construct them, just need to find a finger of expansion that's fairly far out and build a finger of your own tangentially to it.
Time will tell how this plays out, but I think colonization will be a net positive.
Yeah, absolutely IMO not on the bold part. The large orbitals are already entirely painful as is for 1 or 2 people trying to develop their system.
However requiring a colony to reach certain thresholds to then be used to launch a new one would absolutely be appropriate and greatly slow down the explosion rate.
Also this will change the nature of what the backwaters are now. There are a lot of large stations around the fringes but they are not well stocked nor full-featured. So they won't all be outposts or just surface ports but they are backwaters in other ways.
hopefully the expansion slows down a bit for you and you can find a new spot. it's an irregular shaped bubble, especially now
I did say that but would be unpopular for a reason. I just think it's too easy for a solo player to build the biggest station in the game. It only takes around 2 hours of hauling a night to finish one solo within the 4 week time limit. (Two hour figure reached by assuming the player takes 12 minutes for each delivery and has 720 cargo capacity, both of which are not even min-maxed figures.) That means a single dedicated player can place a new orbis as the first station in a system while realistically only taking two weeks (4 hours hauling a day). Doing this should be more akin to a mini player generated Community Goal than a feasible solo endeavor in my opinion. I wouldn't even object if it was just the larger ports that take more to construct so outposts remain trivial for solo players.
Your idea regarding system development level before expansion is possible is interesting. It seems like a good solution to slowing expansion on it's face, but has some deal-breaking unintended consequences hidden underneath if you take a deeper look. First it could easily make the frontier feeling of systems our opening poster misses impossible if not handled carefully. Second, and more importantly, it could allow player groups to blockade expansion efforts with undeveloped systems at key locations.
I mean the sole reason for (almost) static frontier systems are game engine and server limitations. The Bubble would've exploded long time ago if background simulation was a bit more 'realistic'. Like come on, you can't have only one distant colony world while having unlimited travel range amongst billions of free real estate systems
So, guys, make sure to visit Beagle Point before it's cluttered with soda cans from the nearest Coriolis station
So, guys, make sure to visit Beagle Point before it's cluttered with soda cans from the nearest Coriolis station
That's on FDev for offering it as the first port possibility. That's no longer true if you have to build it with T3 points which is how it should be in the first place.
Meh, so be it. There are billions of systems and the difficulty of contstructing an impenetrable shell of undeveloped systems around something seems like a concern that isn't really one. If it became a concern then add an age timer to it and after a few months it becomes open even without further development. Considering the game lore seems to be the colony ship is launched by the system the claim is made from it seems natural that that the founding system should be more than floating crapper to get the job done.
1) a chance to system colonization that requires an outpost as an initial step would be welcome if it comes with the opportunity to upgrade stations as the system is developed. Though this would only make upping the cost of the higher tier stuff make more sense since it's no longer on a time limit and can be done on your own schedule...
2) A fair enough take, though I find it odd you'd advocate for some sort of system maintenance/decay mechanism given your take on the grindiness of colonization as is...