Combat Escort gameplay

Every time there is a community goal I really wish that there was a better mechanism for signing up to be the fighter escort to players who were trading.

This would need to build on existing mechanics.

There were would need to be some way for players to advertise that they wanted a combat escort — and then wing up with the player willing to be the fighter. I imagine traders waiting outside stations for their escort ship(s) and then forming a wing.

The wing mechanics for slaving together jump destinations could be more intuitive.

At the destination it would be good if there were more of a period of danger. I do regret, really, that low wake jumps put everyone so close to the station.

And then there would need to be some mechanism for profit sharing.
 
Don't want to rain in your parade BUT coordinating escorts is a pain, even when you're in a squadron.

Time zones, instancing, lagging and in-game comms and RL all impact the effort.

Plus, people say "I'll be there" and never arrive or cancel for a variety of reasons.

Even in a squadron with regular membership, it is difficult to arrange static events due to attendance, much less a more fluid occurrence like someone needing an escort as they just filled up with cargo or coming in with exploration data from a long trip in the Black.

The most successful type of service provider in-game are the Fuel Rats, and they are outstanding in response. These guys are ORGANIZED and dedicated.

Good luck in trying, hope you succeed.
 
How about having wing missions where you needed a mix of transport and combat ships to succeed?

But this can't work well because you don't really have specialized ships. In a real world, a mining ship wouldn't be able to do much combat. But in ED you can stock up an Anaconda, mine and defend yourself.

Generally, creating scenarios where players need to cooperate to get things done should be the goal.
 
Every time there is a community goal I really wish that there was a better mechanism for signing up to be the fighter escort to players who were trading.

This would need to build on existing mechanics.
LOL. Every feature introduced in between major updates has been about building on existing mechanics.

Your CGs are built upon normal cargo missions.
Honestly, FD could simply introduce NPC wingmen and mercenary escorts, all built upon existing mechanics (NPC AI, your SLF pilots and given orders)
 
I'm seriously thinking about doing this, Im kinda thinking it could be a worthwhile way of spending my time, Really need to start recruiting, and get "Gud" lol

It's a good way of making my mark in this game,

I'm going to be around for a couple of years, and can think of no better way too immerse myself.

o7 Cmdrs
 
Don't want to rain in your parade BUT coordinating escorts is a pain, even when you're in a squadron.

Time zones, instancing, lagging and in-game comms and RL all impact the effort.

Plus, people say "I'll be there" and never arrive or cancel for a variety of reasons.

Even in a squadron with regular membership, it is difficult to arrange static events due to attendance, much less a more fluid occurrence like someone needing an escort as they just filled up with cargo or coming in with exploration data from a long trip in the Black.

The most successful type of service provider in-game are the Fuel Rats, and they are outstanding in response. These guys are ORGANIZED and dedicated.

Good luck in trying, hope you succeed.

The thing is that the Fuel Rats and the hapless Fuelee can effectively stop the clock to get everything in place. The biggest problem for an escort is trying to instance with their customer in a timely manner. The other issue is that in a pvp context their is a good chance that the 3 combat escorts are facing 4 equally effective 'commerce raiders'
 
The thing is that the Fuel Rats and the hapless Fuelee can effectively stop the clock to get everything in place. The biggest problem for an escort is trying to instance with their customer in a timely manner. The other issue is that in a pvp context their is a good chance that the 3 combat escorts are facing 4 equally effective 'commerce raiders'
This. I've done a lot of exploration escorts, which is fine because it's not a problem for an explorer to coordinate a couple of days in advance. And Fuel Rat clients are ... a captive market.

Trading, if you end up waiting an hour for your escort to arrive - and you'd need a lot of escort pilots signed up to get the wait time that low - you might as well just have stuck a bigger shield on, or switched to a multirole hull (e.g. Anaconda/Cutter rather than T-9) and escorted yourself in. Similarly, if the escort is demanding pay, you can probably do it cheaper yourself.

For CG defence, patrols can work - tie up hostiles in battles against stuff which can at least tank them for five minutes, even if you're not actually killing them, and more traders will get through - but of course, no pay there either, and you're only statistically helping.

For trade escorts to be practical, there'd need to be a trade ship specifically designed to be escorted.
- really large cargo hold (ten thousand tonnes, if not more)
- extremely tough hull and core subsystems, lots of hardpoints suited to turrets but not fixed, fairly weak shields
- lots of points for hatchbreakers to attach (more like a megaship in that respect)
- SLF bays
- really slow, no agility, extended drive cooldown if interdicted (even if it submits) so there's actually some fight to have

So it's tough enough not to be fragged to death in 20 seconds by a wing, got enough turret firepower and SLFs not to be completely useless in a fight, but needs protecting for several minutes to actually escape, especially with its cargo intact.

Might actually be practical and economical to escort one of those - though I'm not sure how fun flying the actual trade ship would be: things like that are conventionally for the NPCs.
 
This. I've done a lot of exploration escorts, which is fine because it's not a problem for an explorer to coordinate a couple of days in advance. And Fuel Rat clients are ... a captive market.

Trading, if you end up waiting an hour for your escort to arrive - and you'd need a lot of escort pilots signed up to get the wait time that low - you might as well just have stuck a bigger shield on, or switched to a multirole hull (e.g. Anaconda/Cutter rather than T-9) and escorted yourself in. Similarly, if the escort is demanding pay, you can probably do it cheaper yourself.

For CG defence, patrols can work - tie up hostiles in battles against stuff which can at least tank them for five minutes, even if you're not actually killing them, and more traders will get through - but of course, no pay there either, and you're only statistically helping.

For trade escorts to be practical, there'd need to be a trade ship specifically designed to be escorted.
- really large cargo hold (ten thousand tonnes, if not more)
- extremely tough hull and core subsystems, lots of hardpoints suited to turrets but not fixed, fairly weak shields
- lots of points for hatchbreakers to attach (more like a megaship in that respect)
- SLF bays
- really slow, no agility, extended drive cooldown if interdicted (even if it submits) so there's actually some fight to have

So it's tough enough not to be fragged to death in 20 seconds by a wing, got enough turret firepower and SLFs not to be completely useless in a fight, but needs protecting for several minutes to actually escape, especially with its cargo intact.

Might actually be practical and economical to escort one of those - though I'm not sure how fun flying the actual trade ship would be: things like that are conventionally for the NPCs.
All valid points, thanks for the input Cmdr, o7
 
You could wing up with a couple of combat pilots, but I assure you cutting and running isn't what people are looking for in a partner. If you can't manage to pop off and land a couple of shots yourself, you're looking at a rebuy at the hands of your P.O.ed wingmates.
 
Ideally, the "escorts" would be patrolling the A and B systems pulling wings out of SD. This way the traders can bang it out, keeping tempo up. In the case of a CG, just the B system.
 
[QUOTE="Ian Doncaster, post: 7898739, member: 18996"
For trade escorts to be practical, there'd need to be a trade ship specifically designed to be escorted.
- really large cargo hold (ten thousand tonnes, if not more)
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Can i stop you there for a moment to ask what effective range ?
 
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