I used the 15 sec timer option in the past a few times and it was only money driven. I would have loved to fight but in 2 or 3 CG events, I could have lost everything within 1 or 2 hours. I mean 2 yesrs of work. I play OPEN only as I got this game for player interaction. But the engineered FDLs could ha e killed me in less than 30 seconds. Totally unbalanced as my ship was 0 engineered. I wanted to engineer it to cope with these CDRS as I love PvP. But I gave up a while ago. I cant invest the time. As me tioned I have a limitey amount of spare time per week. I would have taken on every interdiction with low rebuy costs.
COMBAT LOGGING solution -= EASY and WORKING =-
- Thread starter RhymeRhyme
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I used the 15 sec timer option in the past a few times and it was only money driven. I would have loved to fight but in 2 or 3 CG events, I could have lost everything within 1 or 2 hours. I mean 2 yesrs of work. I play OPEN only as I got this game for player interaction. But the engineered FDLs could ha e killed me in less than 30 seconds. Totally unbalanced as my ship was 0 engineered. I wanted to engineer it to cope with these CDRS as I love PvP. But I gave up a while ago. I cant invest the time. As me tioned I have a limitey amount of spare time per week. I would have taken on every interdiction with low rebuy costs.
Minonian
Banned
This is how it goes.A rate A Python can be between 10-12 M depending from the build. So please don't tell me someone can afford to be shot down for an example just 2 times at the day, because this is how open looks alike in the most crowded areas.
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I gotta admit I did it the other day. I felt a little dirty afterwards however I was doing the CG rescuing cargo pods and got ganked by some very high end ships that had my FGS shields down in seconds (npcs, i think it was 3 clippers and an FGS with SLF ).
I brave sir robined - luckily i have good armour but stuff me if i didnt hear the dreaded bling of hardware disconnected.
my oculus rift stopped working but worst of all my X55 hotas crashed out leaving me spinning with the "align trajectory" up on the screen. by the time i took my rift off unplugged and plugged back in my flight stick, my engines were offline and i was dead in the water.
and I did it. power out of the back of my PC (no time to bring up task manager)... so there you have it I am a dirty combat logger.
not about the money, i could not give to squits about that... but my npc who i got from harmless to almost dangerous, to lose that to a hardware failure, screw that. when i got back in i was at 10% health
even tho i hurt no one and affected no ones game , and it was down to hardware / software issues I gotta admit it took the shine off my session.
I brave sir robined - luckily i have good armour but stuff me if i didnt hear the dreaded bling of hardware disconnected.
my oculus rift stopped working but worst of all my X55 hotas crashed out leaving me spinning with the "align trajectory" up on the screen. by the time i took my rift off unplugged and plugged back in my flight stick, my engines were offline and i was dead in the water.
and I did it. power out of the back of my PC (no time to bring up task manager)... so there you have it I am a dirty combat logger.
not about the money, i could not give to squits about that... but my npc who i got from harmless to almost dangerous, to lose that to a hardware failure, screw that. when i got back in i was at 10% health
even tho i hurt no one and affected no ones game , and it was down to hardware / software issues I gotta admit it took the shine off my session.
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Sorry but I really dont care if it says something in a EULA that I have never read or going to. Sure it might be there and say I dont have the right to do such and such, but someone on a forum saying I or they or we dont have the right to do something sort of gets my back up.
I know its only semantics when it comes down to it, but the way it was put across made me go off on one.
Anyways think ill move along now.
I'm still waiting for an answer to the question of how FDev is going to "take action" against players, if they can't distinguish between actual intentional combat loggers and people who get BSoD (i.e. Black Screen of Death) due to adjudication server errors, VR headset errors or general HW/SW/connection issues on the client side?
Well, most people combat log because, dying alone is boring, and losing an Elite crewmember also motivates to combat logging. People must understand that the game is designed in this way, and people have to accept it. I combat log, always have, and prevents me from losing NPC crew or 20 million upon death, which takes me a long time to get. I work hard for my money and if the game have tools to protect you, why shouldn't you use it? If you find a car in the desert, full tank of gas next to a road with keys in it, full functional, do you drive away to freedom, or do you lay down in the sand and die and think, no it's meant for me to die here? Ofc you take the car.
and if the game have tools to protect you, why shouldn't you use it? If you find a car in the desert, full tank of gas next to a road with keys in it, full functional, do you drive away to freedom, or do you lay down in the sand and die and think, no it's meant for me to die here? Ofc you take the car.
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I read someone say that theyd do anything to break the game rules because they can. I am not sure of the context in which it was meant but I think it may have been pro griefing and anti CL but I thought that could be equally applied to CL. Each side has its own justification that they feel is right so I dont think it'll ever see a resolution. Esp since Indigo showed that post from 2013.
For my part I am group only so dont enter combat much and never PVP. But have lost a few ships to npc engagements. Usually my old Vulty.
For my part I am group only so dont enter combat much and never PVP. But have lost a few ships to npc engagements. Usually my old Vulty.
They can in some cases. If you drop 100 times and it's always in combat with another player and you are always losing but you never drop in different situations, chances are pretty high that you are combat logging. They'll send you a mail, tell you to stop it, if you continue they'll put you on a seperate server where you can't play with others / influence the BGS for a timeout. AFAIK this has already happened a few times.
What happens if you're CL'ing in a CZ because of Adjudication Server errors causing BlackScreenofDeath?
Will they send you a warning and put you on a separate server then, even though the fault is with FDev and their dodgy AdjServ code?
My concern isn't with CL'ing in PvP engagements, but rather using the Win TM to kill the game because of a crash or HW/SW issue in solo play.
I obviously don't want to be treated like a cheater when the issue isn't me but the game or my HW being buggy.
They'll send you an email first anyway. Just tell them that you experienced some bugs.
I find the best way to never experience Combat logging is never engage in PvP .. it works every time!
Same thing!
Absolutely not. What I say is some people have different tastes. When I go pirate at a CG and instead I get pulled over by the gank squad, I don't consider that griefing. Others willl consider even me pulling them out of supercruise to steal their cargo griefing.
What you claim I say is that griefing is relative depending on whether you're the one doing it or not. Completely different points.
...you really need to stop making things up and misrepresenting what others say. I don't even know where that sentence is coming from, what is it an answer to? Please be accurate and use quotes, discussing with you is becoming rather frustrating as you're seemingly answering points that were never made.
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Minonian
Banned
Good point!
If you do PVP than only use things what you can afford to lose. Cheap ships, low tier cannon fodder crew members.
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I misinterpreting nothing. You saying how you think how then things is and im saying how the things really is now be a bad silent baby and paint the walls with
crayon when no one looking because this is what you really is right? A troublemaker trying to sell itself as a cute harmless kid...
SCRAM!
Edit; And also i guess someone just don't know it how it looks like when the other with the help of absurd humor painting the situation down. Because this is how it looks alike about griefers and combat loggers.
And as just i said? Don't try to tell me, i must respect the other desire to cause me trouble, and do not ever!!! Try to tell me i must respect someone whom causing me a lot of trouble! because to be entirely honest? I just don't see anything which worth to respect in a such person.
Want my respect? be worthy of it!Because you see? Respect is not something what you can take for granted!
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Easy and working way would be to disable combat logging for aggressors - if you shoot first and then try to log you're faced with a rebuy screen regardless of your ship's state. Same goes for people that fight back and log when they realize they are losing the fight - serve them with a rebuy screen as well! Allow unarmed ships to combat log the way we can now though...
I still like the notion of replacing a simply vanishing ship with an explosion.
Saw ship go boom, must have won battle.
Nothing left to cry about.
Saw ship go boom, must have won battle.
Nothing left to cry about.
I have lost ship and crew that are valued at 40 to 50 million credits. Not to griefers but to game bugs/ crappy mechanic malfunctions. I don't do open, it has no appeal for me and is only added risk.
The game disconnects me every hour or two. I disconnect the game waaaaay less than that. Does the game get punished when it disconnects me???
Do I get compensated in any way when the game disconnects me? No
When I need to shut the game down I get the timer occasionally.
Do I feel obligated to wait for the timer? Not at all.
If the game ever became error free (LOL) I might consider things differently.
Punishment for stopping the game when needed. Just Ridiculous.
The game disconnects me every hour or two. I disconnect the game waaaaay less than that. Does the game get punished when it disconnects me???
Do I get compensated in any way when the game disconnects me? No
When I need to shut the game down I get the timer occasionally.
Do I feel obligated to wait for the timer? Not at all.
If the game ever became error free (LOL) I might consider things differently.
Punishment for stopping the game when needed. Just Ridiculous.
Luckily I've never had to make such a call, but I've used a dodgy hotas in the past and tbh, that seems like a legitimate reason imo. You're basically in solo mode, the hardware is bugging out effectively trying to assassinate you. I've had my hotas ghost press silent running and then go unresponsive, auto atl-tabing to the driver software while I am stuck melting in a corona.
I have lost 2 high ranked NPCs to my own stupidity (not hardware related) and it's very painful. I have never combat logged, but do understand why you might do it ONLY under those exact circumstances. Hardware failure, no fault of your own.
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Zepode
Banned
What happens with suicide-winders then? Station killed you so max rebuy, but in a roundabout way caused by a player. More forum posts?
I don't think reducing rebuy cost would help much. Players who are interested in a fair fight don't cheat and players who aren't interested will still have the same options:
1) Stay in the fight, get blown up and face the penalties (rebuy, loss of data, missions or cargo or just being sent back to station)
2) Leave the game without any consequences
Option 2 is still much better even if there was no rebuy cost at all.
To reduce combat logging we would need to make getting blown up the more attractive option, which is difficult. It would need either adding some type of reward when you get destroyed, or introducing a significant penalty to leaving the game - it would need to be worse than getting destroyed.
1) Stay in the fight, get blown up and face the penalties (rebuy, loss of data, missions or cargo or just being sent back to station)
2) Leave the game without any consequences
Option 2 is still much better even if there was no rebuy cost at all.
To reduce combat logging we would need to make getting blown up the more attractive option, which is difficult. It would need either adding some type of reward when you get destroyed, or introducing a significant penalty to leaving the game - it would need to be worse than getting destroyed.