Hush now. Just let it burn.
Combat Logging
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Hush now. Just let it burn.
Its all cheating, Frontier approved or not.. And when it comes to Frontier they have one of the poorest records of any game developer re addressing cheating in their game.
Since release they have practically done nothing about all the exploiters.. I've lost count of the number of occurrences over the years. The exception is the g1 engineering thing, why they took action over that and nothing else such as credits is baffling.
And when it comes to combat logging the point here is not only is it cheating, it negatively affects others play experience and like all cheating if allowed to go unaddressed seriously undermines the integrity of the game and the developers reputation.
Whats more FD have conflated combat logging (aka cheating) with shooting at other players (a feature of the game) when they were speaking of a karma/c&p system. It really is a sad state of affairs.
And to make things worse there are tons of people in the community who think cheating is fine. All of this sort of stuff puts me off the game..
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Caught red handed?
To my knowledge the only players that have been incontrovertibly caught cheating are those G1 mod exploiters. I don't believe anything else that has been rumoured to be a cheat could be incontrovertibly proven.
Whether FDev care or not is largely irrelevant if there is no incontrovertible evidence.
Combat logging as cheating?...
As I said a few posts ago, some peoples' expectations need to change because leaving through the menu timer is confirmed by the creator if the game as *not* cheating.
Cheerz
Mark H
I enjoy PvP, and I don't PvP. But I also can't stand PvP.
Can you tell me how that's possible?
Just because the solution covers both, doesn't mean FD considers them both as good or bad.
The decider is going to be the result of the Karma system. If the shooting-other-players player gets to have to deal with in game consequences and the combat-logging player gets warned and then banned, then it's perfectly fine to use the Karma system for both. Keep in mind that the Karma system basically is a system that records trends.
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The only thing that works is taking direct action yourself via the block function, cheats are here to stay it's obvious and undeniable. But you can opt out of playing the game with them.
I've never ever heard that FD care about that. It is an official part of the game and there's no instruccion or announcement that tells you to use the block button like that.
I'd agree with this.
Fundamentally, "doing a bunk", in any way that doesn't involve piloting a pretend spaceship, is "combat logging".
The only distinction to be made is between logging out mid-combat and yanking a cable or task-killing mid-combat.
FDev have put a timer in the options to try and mitigate the likelihood of people menu-logging and if that's the way it is, I guess people have to accept that possibility.
If the timer wasn't there at all then all the people who currently task-kill or unplug cables would simply menu-log and there'd be no "cheating" at all to be criticised.
That being the case, I guess the timer does serve a purpose because it, at least, helps to highlight the people who DO properly task-kill as soon as they get into trouble.
The main criticism is that the whole "click, wait, confirm" thing doesn't actually serve much purpose.
People who're menu-logging during combat will simply wait until the timer reaches zero and then exit just as quickly as they would if you automatically exited the game after the timer expired.
Conversely, people who, allegedly, have a genuine need to go and do stuff in the real-world are the ones who aren't going to be able to wait 15 seconds before they can confirm their exit.
That being the case, the timer might as well adopt a "click, wait, auto-exit" format instead.
Interesting point regarding "Karma" too.
There really should be some distinction made between things the player does and things the character does in-game.
For example, if you're a murder-hobo then maybe you get banned from stations or get attacked by SysSec ships or whatever. Point being it should all be plausible in-game stuff.
If, OTOH, you're CLing then that should result in a different kind of punitive action whereby, say, you get locked into Solo mode for 7 days or something.
Meh, I see it much larger than that. While some people dont see anyone at all
Maybe because you PvP?
I think gowron summed it up well when asked if klingons find using cloaking devices honorable...
"there is nothing more honorable than victory". Great truth right there. You know what that really means? It means there is no such thing as cheating. Only moral and amoral, and both of those are in the eye of the beholder. The beholder in this case is frontier, so one can CATEGORICALLY say that while menu logging might have dubious honour, it is most definitely not cheating. And if you think it is, that's on you and nobody else. If we were all held to each other's morals, nobody would be permitted to do anything. By the same token, task kill is amoral and may have consequences.
"there is nothing more honorable than victory". Great truth right there. You know what that really means? It means there is no such thing as cheating. Only moral and amoral, and both of those are in the eye of the beholder. The beholder in this case is frontier, so one can CATEGORICALLY say that while menu logging might have dubious honour, it is most definitely not cheating. And if you think it is, that's on you and nobody else. If we were all held to each other's morals, nobody would be permitted to do anything. By the same token, task kill is amoral and may have consequences.
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My point is Frontier saying its legit is totally unconvincing given their history, and I think I'm a better judge of cheating than they are. There is absolutely no justification to exit the game whilst in combat with another player, not even the old gem of 'my grandma is having a heart attack' excuse. Coz if its really that urgent imaginary spaceships dont mean diddly squat. I've seen some ridiculous excuses and justifications from this community that really beggars belief.
And lets be frank here, Frontier make Mary Whitehouse look like an anarchist particularly given the way they mollycoddle folks who are professionally offended or suffer hurt feelings.
Also are you seriously saying earning a few billion in a day is not the least bit suspicious? Or getting 200 cracked industrial firmware in a day? Come on, pull the other one. Its obvious why.. [money] .. They can't sell 'cosmetics' in the store to people they've banned.
The whole situation is beyond a joke, its gotten ridiculous. I can't believe some people around here who clearly have zero self respect and justify cheating because, seemingly, they are so bad at the game, their 'feelings' and delicate egos just can't take their precious spaceship getting scratched, god forbid a player, another human being, beat them..
I truly worry about the human race. [where is it]
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You are going to have to make sense before I can respond with any certainty. I simply stated what FDev did to the cheaters.
Nope, try again. It's no more PvP mode than Solo is single player mode.
Solo is single player mode, the clues in the name.
If you don’t like the rules FDev have made, you can always uninstall ED. Of course you are welcome to challenge their rules but unless you truly think you can change their minds, your opinion is as worthless as mine.
Number One: Anyone claiming to be a better judge of cheating in a game than the game designer themselves can automatically exclude themselves from being a judge of cheating. A bit like anyone who wants to be a politician. Those types should be automatically barred from ever being a politician. Sadly, they're not...
Number Two: I've never heard of any stories of few billion Cr or 200 CIF exploits, so can't comment. Are we sure this is impossible playing the game? If it is indeed incontrovertibly impossible, then punishment needs to follow. Can the game files be used to prove? Or not?? I'm not sure what you're driving at when you say it's obvious how why, though. Why what?
Number Three: I hope you're not insinuating that I condone cheating? See my signature. I live by that golden rule and I wish others were as straight-up. It also depends on what *you* mean by cheating compared to what the game rule makers decree is cheating, does it not?
The shared BGS is a really good idea, needs less time effort and resources to run.
You said they had *all* of their engineered modules removed of the same style and implied that some of them were legally obtained.
I say that it is more likely that *all* of the cheats' thruster modules, for instance, were at DD G5 and that none of their thrusters would be left at a non-cheated DD G3 or G4 for instance.
So when the cheats had their all of their DD engineered thrusters removed, none of them were likely to be legally obtained.
Agreed?
??? confused ???
Yeah. It is. CQC is PvP Mode. CQC is that part of Elite: Dangerous that is PvP combat only.
I still don't know what you are saying about the thrusters. ANY modules matching a cheated type on an account were removed from any and all ships on that account. Legally rolled or not. Completely. Not reduced in grade. Removed as in the module was returned to un-modded state. I never said some were legal or not, but if they did have some, they were removed along with the exploited ones.
No, CQC doesn't use your ships, weapons, modules, 'home' areas of space, etc etc etc. It's an addon, poorly implemented too (would be much better if you do it inside the main game, while waiting for a mission or queue up and continue to mine or trade while you wait, etc). It's A pvp mode sure. It's not THE PvP mode of Elite: Dangerous.
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