Combat Logging

[jasonbarron]

The past is the past man. Why does it seems that PvPers complain soo much about engineers? Is it because they are afraid of PvE???

Are you serious?

Engineers introduced 3 layers of RNG and a mountain of grind in between the player and the PvP, and shattered the concept of skill based challenge. As it stands now, the only players able to get any use out of PvP are highly advanced players with vast fortunes and countless hours invested and even most of these players are sick at heart to have to engage the engineers; good look being a new player wanting to get into PvP in Open

 

[Minonian]

In other words?

The playfield are leveled, thankfully the fact, your innate abilities, and gained skills are no longer enough to dominate the skys, technicalities and smarts also came into play, alongside with build choices, and since unlike PVE-ers you boys never had to bug yourselves with it, to keep an edge. But we do! So when the balance shifted, and PVP ers had to work hard to keep and edge instead just sluggishly massacre everyone? You lots given up... because to work for success? Ain't your thing.

 

[Stigbob]

Mind you, i strongly discouraging to make someone an ingame and forum mod. First reason? Conflict of interest.
Second. Not enough time to do both properly and have enough energy to your own life, and i suspect the mods already overburdened. (and this is the last reason why they are shut down political discussion)

They might find it cathartic.

Are you serious?

Engineers introduced 3 layers of RNG and a mountain of grind in between the player and the PvP, and shattered the concept of skill based challenge. As it stands now, the only players able to get any use out of PvP are highly advanced players with vast fortunes and countless hours invested and even most of these players are sick at heart to have to engage the engineers; good look being a new player wanting to get into PvP in Open

Grind (like PVP) is optional, people who treat games like jobs tend to burn themselves out.

 

[NeilF]

Why does it seems that PvPers complain soo much about engineers? Is it because they are afraid of PvE???

Because it was an ill considered cheap gameplay grab that needlessly unbalanced PvP (& PvE) too.

Now if you want to take part in PvP, you have little choice but to grind away pimping your ship up at the expense of just buckets of time, upgrade most/all features of your ship to the highest grade you can (there's little/no choice or skill in this), apply the magic spells of choice, to then ensure you've now raised it to the new needlessly raised bar of performance. Now you can compete back on more of a level play basis just with the game needlessly further diluted with yet more paper-scissors-stones gameplay thanks to the magic side effects.

And let's not imply PvE hasn't been hit too. Post engineers NPCs are even more relegated to cannon fodder.


I'd suggest the only people who gained out of The Engineers are folks mainly playing PvE who like a nice advantage over NPCs... Is it because they are afraid of a challenge

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

They might find it cathartic.



Grind (like PVP) is optional, people who treat games like jobs tend to burn themselves out.

The BGS is a grind. Its not for the causal player. Lets stop pretending we are protecting them with this.

It takes weeks or months to accomplish goals within the BGS. Especially when Larger player groups go at it.

Man its like none of you guys here take part in any of this. And would rather argue it because of selfish reasons. Literally no experience. Who was it Ziggy that said he would never be caught dead in a guild? And yet he fights against this stuff every day?

PVPers have to PVE harder and longer to stay on top of everyone else. PVPERS are the best PVEers in this game. And thats a fact jack. Throw in the BGS knowledge I and many others have too? And we could have an awesome time.

But instead, we get ya'll arguing here. BUt its the same people everytime. No matter the thread. While people come and go over 5 years. Asking for change, asking to play the game with meaning.

Again, the BGS nor PVP is for the casual player base. Not right now, not with how long it takes to make an impact.

 

[jasonbarron]

They might find it cathartic.



Grind (like PVP) is optional, people who treat games like jobs tend to burn themselves out.

Spoken like your typical player who loves to comment on PvP, but outside of the forum knows literally nothing about it. The grind is absolutely essential if the player does in fact wish to engage in PvP. And there is literally no end to it, as what works in PvP is a constantly moving target. And to top it all off, there is still the RNG and the minimization of skill when all is said in done.

I advise less time looking for cheap potshots on the forum and blocking players ingame and more time actually learning what you're talking about.

The BGS is a grind. Its not for the causal player. Lets stop pretending we are protecting them with this.

It takes weeks or months to accomplish goals within the BGS. Especially when Larger player groups go at it.

Man its like none of you guys here take part in any of this. And would rather argue it because of selfish reasons. Literally no experience. Who was it Ziggy that said he would never be caught dead in a guild? And yet he fights against this stuff every day?

PVPers have to PVE harder and longer to stay on top of everyone else. PVPERS are the best PVEers in this game. And thats a fact jack. Throw in the BGS knowledge I and many others have too? And we could have an awesome time.

But instead, we get ya'll arguing here. BUt its the same people everytime. No matter the thread. While people come and go over 5 years. Asking for change, asking to play the game with meaning.

Again, the BGS nor PVP is for the casual player base. Not right now, not with how long it takes to make an impact.

Nailed it.

 

[Minonian]

Grind (like PVP) is optional, people who treat games like jobs tend to burn themselves out.

Out of experience?

True! But just as i said? PVP ers gone soft but in the meanwhile we needed every smarts and tricks juts to stay alive. So when engineers came out and with it the situation changed?

 

[daman]

engineers are the bane of this game

and the proposed solution isn't going to solve it

if anything needs nerfing - its engineered modules

 

[Chris Simon]

The BGS is a grind. Its not for the causal player. Lets stop pretending we are protecting them with this.

It takes weeks or months to accomplish goals within the BGS. Especially when Larger player groups go at it.

Man its like none of you guys here take part in any of this. And would rather argue it because of selfish reasons. Literally no experience. Who was it Ziggy that said he would never be caught dead in a guild? And yet he fights against this stuff every day?

PVPers have to PVE harder and longer to stay on top of everyone else. PVPERS are the best PVEers in this game. And thats a fact jack. Throw in the BGS knowledge I and many others have too? And we could have an awesome time.

But instead, we get ya'll arguing here. BUt its the same people everytime. No matter the thread. While people come and go over 5 years. Asking for change, asking to play the game with meaning.

Again, the BGS nor PVP is for the casual player base. Not right now, not with how long it takes to make an impact.

And that, kids, is why you shouldn't combat log.

 

[Stigbob]

The BGS is a grind. Its not for the causal player. Lets stop pretending we are protecting them with this.

It takes weeks or months to accomplish goals within the BGS. Especially when Larger player groups go at it.

Man its like none of you guys here take part in any of this. And would rather argue it because of selfish reasons. Literally no experience. Who was it Ziggy that said he would never be caught dead in a guild? And yet he fights against this stuff every day?

PVPers have to PVE harder and longer to stay on top of everyone else. PVPERS are the best PVEers in this game. And thats a fact jack. Throw in the BGS knowledge I and many others have too? And we could have an awesome time.

But instead, we get ya'll arguing here. BUt its the same people everytime. No matter the thread. While people come and go over 5 years. Asking for change, asking to play the game with meaning.

Again, the BGS nor PVP is for the casual player base. Not right now, not with how long it takes to make an impact.

I only ever play the BGS on a strictly casual basis, I pop to Inara see what needs doing wander to the systems that need attention grab whichever missions fit the current needs and my gaming predilections and do a few missions whilst being easily distracted by anything else that happens to take my fancy. Nothing grindy about it.

You are right about the pattern of people that come and go, they tend to demand EVE from a cockpit, tell everyone they are wrong get frustrated that the game and the players don't immediately fall into line and then leave. Or hang around the forum moaning for a few months then leave.

The problems not the game it's preconceptions of what the game should be meeting reality.

 

[Stigbob]

Spoken like your typical player who loves to comment on PvP, but outside of the forum knows literally nothing about it. The grind is absolutely essential if the player does in fact wish to engage in PvP. And there is literally no end to it, as what works in PvP is a constantly moving target. And to top it all off, there is still the RNG and the minimization of skill when all is said in done.

I advise less time looking for cheap potshots on the forum and blocking players ingame and more time actually learning what you're talking about.

Jason I like the game and I enjoy playing it. Whereas you stopped playing it a few months ago in disgust (as you like to keep telling us) how much do you think I value your advice on how best to play it bearing that in mind ?.

 

[jasonbarron]

Jason I like the game and I enjoy playing it. Whereas you stopped playing it a few months ago in disgust (as you like to keep telling us) how much do you think I value your advice on how best to play it bearing that in mind ?.

I'd describe my feelings more accurately as "frustration with lack of leadership and development progress." Not sure where you get "disgust" out of that. I still have a well received positive review of ED out there, and my contributions have been more constructive than negative, regardless of efforts to cast them otherwise. And if you want to ignore the advice and perspective of a player who has spent well over 3000 hours playing this game and knows its systems front and back from the minutia of PvE to the brutal nuances of PvP, then you are of course free to go right ahead.

 

[Stigbob]

I'd describe my feelings more accurately as "frustration with lack of leadership and development progress." Not sure where you get "disgust" out of that. I still have a well received positive review of ED out there, and my contributions have been more constructive than negative, regardless of efforts to cast them otherwise. And if you want to ignore the advice and perspective of a player who has spent well over 3000 hours playing this game and knows its systems front and back from the minutia of PvE to the brutal nuances of PvP, then you are of course free to go right ahead.

I look at 3000 hours played, plus don't play anymore and I think man you really got your money's worth out of a game that obviously you must have really enjoyed.

Maybe you should play something else for a bit though.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I look at 3000 hours played, plus don't play anymore and I think man you really got your money's worth out of a game that obviously you must have really enjoyed.

Maybe you should play something else for a bit though.

I have over 3 years of game time played in World Of Warcraft. And and 8 Years in League of Legends over 500 bucks spent on a free game.

This is an on going game. That people can continue to play as their "main game". Which is very much a thing. I am certainly not the only one that does this. Its not about "getting your monies worth" Not by a long shot.

Stop with the eve comments. And you are playing it casually, while others people do not. IT IS GRINDY, Ive personally seen it. And it wasnt just me, it adversaries too. And large player groups.

Like I said 0 experience.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

And that, kids, is why you shouldn't combat log.

Believe it or not it has a lot to do with combat logging. And the solo, private open conversation.

There are so many loose ends here its astonishing. We have a multiplayer game with single player activities. And the multiplayer part of the game is suffering because of it. (powerplay, BGS, Guilds thats are coming). They have a chance to adjust this stuff with the guilds that are coming in the future.

Making these changes could really pull this game together. And kill the mile wide inch deep meme.

And the solo dudes can still do their thing. So can the casuals. The BGS is not casual though. Neither is PVP. Again a lots changed, and what worked then. Wont work when they release the guilds. Its going to make it worse. Moving our own megaships around. To FIGHT OVER TERRITORY? Good lord we thing this hotel California talk is bad now? Biowaste is gonna hit the fan when they implement that. Its going to get way worse.

I think they know it, theyd have to with 5 years of the talk. And combat logging too, you cant have people logging out on others because they lose. Losses mean just as much as a win.

Its crucial they fix these things for the multiplayer aspect of the game. People that play in solo and private arent playing for everyone else. Bottom line, and they should be restricted from impacting the multiplayer experience. Because right now, solo and private have the advantage when it comes to effecting other players. There is no paper trail besides the bounty board. You can take a system without ever getting on that bounty board.

I really dont think the people fighting against this stuff really have the experience in the first place to fight against it. And if they do, they know they are taking advantage of the system. And again it includes combat logging, BGS, solo, private and open. Everything. Its hurting the multiplayer part of this game, one of the big reasons people bought this game.

 

[Stigbob]

I have over 3 years of game time played in World Of Warcraft. And and 8 Years in League of Legends over 500 bucks spent on a free game.

This is an on going game. That people can continue to play as their "main game". Which is very much a thing. I am certainly not the only one that does this. Its not about "getting your monies worth" Not by a long shot.

I've got three quarters of an hour in goat simulator and I unlocked the giraffe, what's your point ?.

 

[GreyAreaUK]

Could someone point me to where FDev have said Guilds are coming? Because I seem to have missed that.

 

[Minonian]

I look at 3000 hours played, plus don't play anymore and I think man you really got your money's worth out of a game that obviously you must have really enjoyed.

Maybe you should play something else for a bit though.

Listen to him!

Sometimes the problem is not burnout but saturation you just had enough for a while, take a nap, do something else until you get in the mood again. Thats why i taken a longer break before i came back to the third and final pass, before i make the final choice, and fully pledge myself to the game, and a group or by achieving everything? Quit. It does not really matter because in both ways i victorious.

 

[WorldsGreatestForumDad]

I've got three quarters of an hour in goat simulator and I unlocked the giraffe, what's your point ?.

YOU HAVE 0 EXPERIENCE fighting for something you dont take part of. The whole lot of you lol.

 

[Stigbob]

YOU HAVE 0 EXPERIENCE fighting for something you dont take part of. The whole lot of you lol.

Goat simulator isn't PVP.