Come back from deep space to new UI and Moronic gameplay

[Para Handy]

Says you.

Personally, I'd much prefer to have the old one click "accept and load" button added back in.

Not every change to the game is going to be perceived as an improvement to everyone.

And those who don't like the changes absolutely have the right to post their feedback in the company's forum.

Hopefully other forum goers will be wise enough to accept that not everyone has the same opinion, and allow other players to post their own opinions without replying with insults because they feel differently.

I think you might have an issue.

I didn't insult the OP, I did call them out for using the Newcomer's Forum to make a whining, ranting post when they were neither a newcomer nor inexperienced (see their date joined and № of posts). - Oh look, it got moved (so I have edited-out my remarks about that) - and no I didn't "report post" or whatever.

Of course people can post their opinions about things and of course you can if you want come on and defend someone making a ranting post, that is your choice. I therefore also have a right to my opinion such as pointing out that the post was made in an inappropriate way in order to achieve the OP's object of having it not disappear off the page in a busy forum. I don't think you have the right to demean me because of that.

 

[Oopsie Daisy]

so I came back from deep space to find UI changes and a moronic gameplay environment..essentially killing my view of the game.
so given that the old UI was working fine I wounder wh they changed it, here are some of th issues iv ncounteredin one afternoon

1. this foru is massively lagy and a lot o my typed keys dnt register so forgive me
2. Cargo doesn't auto load and given my VR setup I cannot click the zone to load, so I cncelled mission and got a fin 412k..wow
3. decided to try bounty hunting with y turret machine. my trrets got me a 5000 bountyfor swiping a friendly. theyare set top target only so im guessing thsis a bug BUT now im stuck in my home system on m base andi cannot access anything to pay off bounty...odd cause iould have paid it but the game must want me to log out for a week until the bounty clears to play again...unless there is amagic way to pay fines?
4. I am afraid to get a 100 credit fine now caue I will have to leave game for a week , this presumes the new STUPID system what ever it is, eliminates my bounty after a week.

WHAT ON EARTH were the DEVS thinking making a game play experience that was fun, now super onerous and not fun at all.
super super disapointing
Ronin Cahll

Dang. I have an over 31mill cr bounty. I guess I can never play the game again.

 

[ADAMtheWELSHMANz]

Thanks OP, deciphering your post gave me the best laugh I've had all day

 

[Lightspeed]

We now need another ad in the space station in addition to "Don't forget your limpets."

We need "Did you load your cargo?"

 

[Comrade Napoleon]

so I came back from deep space to find UI changes and a moronic gameplay environment..essentially killing my view of the game.
so given that the old UI was working fine I wounder wh they changed it, here are some of th issues iv ncounteredin one afternoon

1. this foru is massively lagy and a lot o my typed keys dnt register so forgive me
2. Cargo doesn't auto load and given my VR setup I cannot click the zone to load, so I cncelled mission and got a fin 412k..wow
3. decided to try bounty hunting with y turret machine. my trrets got me a 5000 bountyfor swiping a friendly. theyare set top target only so im guessing thsis a bug BUT now im stuck in my home system on m base andi cannot access anything to pay off bounty...odd cause iould have paid it but the game must want me to log out for a week until the bounty clears to play again...unless there is amagic way to pay fines?
4. I am afraid to get a 100 credit fine now caue I will have to leave game for a week , this presumes the new STUPID system what ever it is, eliminates my bounty after a week.

WHAT ON EARTH were the DEVS thinking making a game play experience that was fun, now super onerous and not fun at all.
super super disapointing
Ronin Cahll

Living on the edge are we! Nudge, nudge, I envy you brave Cmdr's having hearths doin' all sort off stuff, missions and whud not, looking destruction in the eye !
And dont worry, typing errors have caused real wars too.
When you rage quit : Can I haz stuff?

( Honestly I cant see any failings of FD, why are you laggy? If laggy why VR ?)

Cheers Cmdr's

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

I've been in the black for a while and I will no doubt fall foul of some C&P rule that will peeve me when I return, I may well come and rant.. (nah, I can't now) but as far as I can see the new changes to C&P and Cargo missions and loads of other stuff... and indeed the highly awaited Q4 update, is about bringing the player more to do instead of BLAM,BLAM,BLAM, the forums are full of "give us moar murshun" "I want content" I paid good money for this and I've wasted 9000 hours on it.
Well, the thing is, when a new system is introduced it's best to stop, take a breath, and look at what's changed, instead of jumping straight back doing what you know best, have a look at it and evaluate if your old tried and trusted way of doing things still suits the new game play.

I'm currently attempting a change in the way I star hop on a route, my old way (which I can still do) takes about a minute star to star, my new way is to stop and look around while and perhaps tag the star if it's a solo with nothing else present... that simple change that adds perhaps 30 seconds has had me nearly drop into the star on more than one occasion... simply because of habit and doing something new/different, the flow has changes for me.

 

[RoninCahill]

thank you Greylock. freedom of speech and opinion is essential to a democracy, one that we all share.

and I don't like the crime and punishment system, especially for killing an NPC (that will despawn as soon as I leave the area anyway)..how on earth do I merit hunt now..the ship I use wont be able to repair refuel or anything...unless I can go back to my home system with that ship and my faction doesn't report the crimes on it? I cant find anywhere that answeres that.

and as for cargo I have to go to 2d (disconnect VR) load cargo then re start VR to be able to load as I cannot do it while in VR. no click bar shows up. I did put in a ticket for that though.

as far as crime and punishment to stop un wanted PVP..well that's a cowards way around learning to protect yourself forsure. iv been playing nearly 4 years, almost killed a few times but got away everytime with some simple jump cancel, high wake stuff..i cant imagine how people didn't just learn to do that and need a parent to hold their hand. for the record I don't PVP, don't kill players, but have learned to avoid easily, and im in open

so Keep system for PVP but stop the notoriety thing for NPC stuff...for gods sake they are spawn/despawn computer bots...I don't need hours of just landing and staying logged in just to wipe a notoriety casue of stupid eagle flying across my turrets. that is a GAME KILLER for me, and would see me terminating this game if it isn't changed. and in the interests of being fair I said keep it for PVP..im trying to play ball with the lighter play style crowd. glass half full kind of stuff.
Ronin

 

[Kubicide]

so I came back from deep space to find UI changes and a moronic gameplay environment..essentially killing my view of the game.
so given that the old UI was working fine I wounder wh they changed it, here are some of th issues iv ncounteredin one afternoon

1. this foru is massively lagy and a lot o my typed keys dnt register so forgive me
2. Cargo doesn't auto load and given my VR setup I cannot click the zone to load, so I cncelled mission and got a fin 412k..wow
3. decided to try bounty hunting with y turret machine. my trrets got me a 5000 bountyfor swiping a friendly. theyare set top target only so im guessing thsis a bug BUT now im stuck in my home system on m base andi cannot access anything to pay off bounty...odd cause iould have paid it but the game must want me to log out for a week until the bounty clears to play again...unless there is amagic way to pay fines?
4. I am afraid to get a 100 credit fine now caue I will have to leave game for a week , this presumes the new STUPID system what ever it is, eliminates my bounty after a week.

WHAT ON EARTH were the DEVS thinking making a game play experience that was fun, now super onerous and not fun at all.
super super disapointing
Ronin Cahll

Crazy isn't it? The changes add nothing, absolutely nothing, except 5x the time and mouse clicks to do the same thing as before. Fans see this as 'gameplay', I guess, but it certainly would have been great to see this dev time invested into something that truly does offer new gameplay.

 

[Para Handy]

........... iv been playing nearly 4 years, ............

So why post your rant in the Newcomer's Forum - which is what I berated you about?

I have no problem with you making your observations about game changes, even in the ranting mode you used, my issue was you making your post in a section that was inappropriate and obviously was done for some ulterior motive.

 

[Quantis Trap]

OP, currently the only right way to get rid of notoriety and a bounty is to play the game somewhere else and let it go notoriety decay away. After that, it's simple to pay off the bounty at IF.

The worst thing to do is get upset about it and make rash decisions which cost you more time and money, but you already know that now.

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Now that I've said that, I'll agree with you that the Crime & Punishment changes are kind of loony in some ways!

I and several others have offered varying suggestions in the feature request section to address part of it. I hope that some of the suggestion get implemented maybe even in the Q4 release!

 

[Aashenfox]

Says you.

Personally, I'd much prefer to have the old one click "accept and load" button added back in.

Not every change to the game is going to be perceived as an improvement to everyone.

And those who don't like the changes absolutely have the right to post their feedback in the company's forum.

Hopefully other forum goers will be wise enough to accept that not everyone has the same opinion, and allow other players to post their own opinions without replying with insults because they feel differently.

I totally agree with the sentiment, however, para handy is right.

The OP has asserted that things have changed, and cites:

1) The forum is laggy. It isn't and it is not a reasonable expectation that the forum would be at fault for that unless a lot of people were reporting it. Let's chalk that one up to anger on the OPs part.

2) Cargo not autoloading is so that you can do it with smaller ships in batches, and fair enough, it's a recent change, but a great one. Only the most blinded-by-rage person could fail to see that. It's one of the best QoL changes so far. Fair enough OP, there's virtually nowhere you could have read this except here on the forum.

3) CnP also has changed, as stated. If you get a fine, go to the nearest station, hit contacts, pay it. Read the text carefully, if it says 'Pay fine and hand yourself in', go to interstellar factors. If you have a bounty or a fine in a far away jurisdiction, you go to a low sec system and use Interstellar Factors. This is not known to be bugged, and couldn't be simpler, you go and pay off the bounties/fines at a 25% inflated rate and all is well. I don't know what the OP thought he was doing, but this isn't buggy or convoluted. You click, you pay. Done. This covers ALL kinds of infringement of any value. PROVIDED your notoriety is 0, and if it isn't, then he murdered someone and it wasn't just friendly fire, and he's leading us up a gum tree from the start.

4) @OP, don't be scared now you know how to deal with it. How you thought you needed to sell all your modules and ship I cannot fathom, does that seem logical to you? Why didn't you come on the forums at that time and just ask what's going on? CnP isn't great right now, I admit.

There is also nothing that I know of that doesn't work properly in VR, except the galaxy map and that's not new. I do play in VR.

Basically, these things are invariably either good changes that the OP didn't expect, not new, or failures of assumption. In a game like Elite, it is not reasonable to go out in the black for what I can only assume must be more than 9 months, and 1) expect nothing to have changed, or 2) That these things would be intuitive.

On the bright side, OP will realise all this and have fun with the new features for a while. Devs are doing an acceptable job lately and OP's criticism is not accurate or warranted.

@OP, I don't mean to be over critical, just being frank, and I think you'll like most of the changes, game is going in a good direction recently. Very good luck to you o7

 

[sollisb]

.........., there is nothing wrong with the changes, you just need to get used to them. The cargo missions one is particularly useful now - but I admit to having not collected my cargo before leaving the station - but that was my fault................

Without sounding contrary.. Really I'm not.. What is so useful about the new system? I really do not understand it or why it was implemented.

 

[Aashenfox]

Without sounding contrary.. Really I'm not.. What is so useful about the new system? I really do not understand it or why it was implemented.

Before, in order to accept a cargo mission, you had to be in a ship that could take ALL the cargo and you had to do THAT mission right away, and were locked to using a ship that had that that much cargo space until the mission was delivered. You also had to carry the cargo everywhere while you did other things (like other data deliveries you picked up).

Nowadays, you can accept the mission in any ship, even one with no cargo at all, change to the ship you want to use and load as much as you want to load (all or just some), then do as many trips as you like. Because lucrative boom deliveries of gold and insulating membrane don't pop up too often, on each visit to my home station, I'll pick up the one or two that are there, then go do something else, then pick up a couple more, etc etc., and when I have a full load for the cutter (usually 4 or 5), load them all up and go and do them all at once. Similarly, a new player with hardly any cargo space, can make multiple trips to complete the mission.

It was a huge deal for mission running, really. I squeed when I realised.

 

[Muzz UK]

1. this foru is massively lagy and a lot o my typed keys dnt register so forgive me
Could you retype this in english please?
2. Cargo doesn't auto load and given my VR setup I cannot click the zone to load, so I cncelled mission and got a fin 412k..wow
Cargo doesn't auto load to allow you to take missions and change ship should you want to take a mission but don't have space in your current ship. This is a much needed quality of life change. It stops people missing out on missions due to board refresh. Missions now have a partial completion award too.
3. decided to try bounty hunting with y turret machine. my trrets got me a 5000 bountyfor swiping a friendly. theyare set top target only so im guessing thsis a bug BUT now im stuck in my home system on m base andi cannot access anything to pay off bounty...odd cause iould have paid it but the game must want me to log out for a week until the bounty clears to play again...unless there is amagic way to pay fines?
Put your turrets onto the correct setting don't have them set to shoot everything you target.
4. I am afraid to get a 100 credit fine now caue I will have to leave game for a week , this presumes the new STUPID system what ever it is, eliminates my bounty after a week.
You can pay off fines at the station where you incur them otherwise find an interstellar factors system you can pay all fines and bounties off there.

 

[Drelthar]

I guess FD didn't get the memo saying they needed to halt all development until you got back. Shame that!

 

[Marra Morgan]

so I came back from deep space to find UI changes and a moronic gameplay environment..essentially killing my view of the game.
so given that the old UI was working fine I wounder wh they changed it, here are some of th issues iv ncounteredin one afternoon

1. this foru is massively lagy and a lot o my typed keys dnt register so forgive me
2. Cargo doesn't auto load and given my VR setup I cannot click the zone to load, so I cncelled mission and got a fin 412k..wow
3. decided to try bounty hunting with y turret machine. my trrets got me a 5000 bountyfor swiping a friendly. theyare set top target only so im guessing thsis a bug BUT now im stuck in my home system on m base andi cannot access anything to pay off bounty...odd cause iould have paid it but the game must want me to log out for a week until the bounty clears to play again...unless there is amagic way to pay fines?
4. I am afraid to get a 100 credit fine now caue I will have to leave game for a week , this presumes the new STUPID system what ever it is, eliminates my bounty after a week.

WHAT ON EARTH were the DEVS thinking making a game play experience that was fun, now super onerous and not fun at all.
super super disapointing
Ronin Cahll

Adapt.

Or don't.

*shrug*

 

[RoninCahill]

So i havnt dared to play since i wrote this post as the crime and pynishment system is absolutly the most absurde carebear thing i have ever seen and punishes people like me who shoot npc(not real) ships when i suspect it waz players whining about being picked on by other less morally engaged players. So now i feel like i cant go bounty hunt or basically do anything in case i get wanted by sneezing and then have to stay logged in for hours to pay off my fine..god thats stupid.at least for npc stuff.
So has frontier changed the system so npcs dont generate all thar hassle or do i need to not play a few more months.
If frontier could chime in on this that would help cause if your not goibg to change thibgs i will sell my acount. Sadly i worked hard for nearly 4 years to get my 8 billion. Now unusable.
Ronin

 

[Factabulous]

So i havnt dared to play since i wrote this post as the crime and pynishment system is absolutly the most absurde carebear thing i have ever seen and punishes people like me who shoot npc(not real) ships when i suspect it waz players whining about being picked on by other less morally engaged players. So now i feel like i cant go bounty hunt or basically do anything in case i get wanted by sneezing and then have to stay logged in for hours to pay off my fine..god thats stupid.at least for npc stuff.
So has frontier changed the system so npcs dont generate all thar hassle or do i need to not play a few more months.
If frontier could chime in on this that would help cause if your not goibg to change thibgs i will sell my acount. Sadly i worked hard for nearly 4 years to get my 8 billion. Now unusable.
Ronin

Nope - it's unchanged - you still need to be able to understand simple logic to avoid / mitigate notoriety. Back to Candy Crush with you!

 

[babelfisch]

So i havnt dared to play since i wrote this post as the crime and pynishment system is absolutly the most absurde carebear thing i have ever seen and punishes people like me who shoot npc(not real) ships when i suspect it waz players whining about being picked on by other less morally engaged players. So now i feel like i cant go bounty hunt or basically do anything in case i get wanted by sneezing and then have to stay logged in for hours to pay off my fine..god thats stupid.at least for npc stuff.
So has frontier changed the system so npcs dont generate all thar hassle or do i need to not play a few more months.
If frontier could chime in on this that would help cause if your not goibg to change thibgs i will sell my acount. Sadly i worked hard for nearly 4 years to get my 8 billion. Now unusable.
Ronin

Just stop attacking clean NPCs and you should be fine. If you do attack one by accident there are interstellar factors all over the place, paying your bounty takes less than 5 minutes. If you want to sell your account you should be aware that it's violating the EULA.

 

[CMDR Asuradice]

If I remember correctly the old C&P locked you out of a system for an entire week before you could pay off your bounty right?

The new C&P isn't exactly fantastic but you're never locked out of anywhere for longer than 2 hours right? Unless your notoriety is high.

Sounds like a marginal improvement to me. Not quite the sea change to illegal style play some were hoping for but better than the original C&P for lawful players who get mixed up in stuff that they shouldn't.

The cargo is loaded from a tab on the mission screen called cargo something or other. You have to select it to see all of the available cargo from any missions you have and you can choose what to load from there.