Community guests at FD HQ on 27th for Q4 news
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Repped and bookmarked. It's the sort of thing that might be useful when the hype train next exceeds its safe operating speed.
Prime example.
Excitement in moderation is the key. FD are capable of programming great "moments" into ED. The first time I docked with and escaped from a burning space station was amazing, as were my two hyperdictions. But everything they add is going to be limited by the general framework that's been around since 1.0. Anyone who gets a sneak peek needs to consider that. No matter how impressive the visuals, or how new the specific interactions, chances are they're going to be gated behind a USS or a mission template or an SRV deployment or a hyperspace jump or something else you've seen a bazillion times.
Understand that, and most additions can be seen as incremental improvements. But if you assume that they'll be accompanied by radical changes to the game's structure, you're more likely to be disappointed.
I would see where that would come in handy for you - no need to take your socks off to count 'em eh
OA would be a good representative of the explorers. He has produced videos which were scathing of FD's performance in the past (beige planets), less so more recently since he visited .......... hmmmm.
I'd have preferred someone who has for example organised expeditions; Yanick, Erimus, Dr. Kaii, XCNuse, someone like that. OA may report on exploration but as far as I know doesn't communicate much with the exploration community and hasn't been responsible for any expeditions' planning, artwork, etc etc.
No. Reporting on other people's stuff doesn't make one involved.
How nice of them to share what few scraps of information they have with a select group of local "influencers."
FDev, your communication skills are terrible. Your controlled "everything is exciting" marketing is on point, however. Just don't be surprised when I'm not excited by whatever you try to sell me next.
FDev, your communication skills are terrible. Your controlled "everything is exciting" marketing is on point, however. Just don't be surprised when I'm not excited by whatever you try to sell me next.
Good, you were not standing behind my turkey feathers when I went to burner...
That's another funny thing about Elite. When someone boosts in front of you, there are few consequences.
Hmmm. If they have had so many boosts in our faces, are they cheating with ENG pips?
I've only been around since 2.0, so I can't speak to the experience prior to that, but - as one myself - while I don't feel super appreciated, I don't feel trampled.
Until the Gnosis, that is.
Not sure why the rest of us, those who don't have the utmost priviledge of being invited, should care. Frontier wont let them reveal anything, and are we really that shallow that we'll give more weight to Obsidian Ant's "exciting new stuff" than we would to Frontier's?
Anyone remember Kerrash's enigmatic "squee"? To this day I still don't know what he was excited about.
Anyone remember Kerrash's enigmatic "squee"? To this day I still don't know what he was excited about.
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I disagree, I don't believe he is a good representative of explorers at all... why? well TLDR - his feedback is not objective nor factual 70-80% of the time... he hasn't demonstrated any ability to do fair comparisons, or any background knowledge or want to understand what he sees...
For this visit, I will once again give the guy a chance to be informative and objective, rather than toxic as per usual. The thing about reporting is that its quite important to get the balance right. His previous visit to FDev video smacked of "They made me sign an NDA and so i know this video wont make me any money because i cant do some epic reveal and generate a billion views" in my oppinion... So lets see what happens this time. If they signed a big NDA... it will be salt lake city.
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His comments on the beige plague, while correct, was objectively not ever presented in context. He never once tried to explain why it was like that, even though he and the community had been told by the Dev team. What they had actually attempted was quite good, but it had kind of failed... did he point that out? Nope never. So why was that? well its easier to just be toxic than try to be objective, getting in a little snipe at every opportunity gets clicks after all.
Other comments in terms of actual performance and appearance of ED in terms of planetary surfaces was also out right incorrect. Simply stating that the detail had been downgraded without objectively proving it AT ALL... just simply stating over and over again the same words that it had been downgraded without being at all clear as to what had been downgraded in his opinion... why?
-Surface detail? Nope 2.0 had lots of jagged edges and ugly pointy cliffs compared to later releases...did OA notice this? Nope apparently 2.0 was the best ever... not totally sure how anyone can think that but... ok...
-Texture? Yes and no, while the surface texture was high detail, it was a noise map in 2.0, once it was more than 1-2 meters away, it was basically untextured, except for cliffs on ice planets. Each planet (other than ice planets) also had a single base colour... nice sharp features observed from orbit blended into this single base texture when you got close....SO... 2.0 textures best ever? Nope. Textures where objectively improved, giving a more organic feel and colour... did OA say this? Nope, just kept saying everything was bad.
-Shading? Largely shading has gotten better although there have been bumpy steps, there was admittedly a patch which made shadows from orbit look really ugly... this remained for 2 patches i think... OA made out like when it was fixed that he couldn't tell the difference. I almost think he went through a period where he just reused the same clips over and over and was like "Wow this is terrible" because he hadn't actually played the game in months and recorded new footage.
So In my opinion and observation, I don't see him as an objective reviewer of the in game graphics, clearly missing the point on so so so many occasions. His basic idea was that he liked universally bright green planets located in O and B class systems, was alright with red/brown/grey planets in A to M class systems... and was so upset by the removal of the luminous green worlds that he had to dedicate about 2 years of salt and toxicity.
His scathing reviews of FD are (in my opinion) born out of ignorance and the formula that salt and drama get clicks. His review of engineering was objectively and factually incorrect. His comparison between the old and new system was also factually incorrect and very poorly executed, His review of crime and punishment was objectively incorrect and painted people making very dumb life choices (scaling frameshift drives so far back they cannot escape from detection systems) as being punished unfairly by a broken system... He time and time again didn't use his position to actually do something like.... educate people on what was happening in game in terms of how the engineering fundamentally worked... which isn't RNG, its not totally random as he said so so so many times. Sorry but he was wrong...
Sorry BUT NO... OA does not represent me when it comes to exploration... just NO. Iv not seen any of his content when he actually does any exploring. Even his strange worlds video was largely a hash together and basically a 'best of' play list of things other people had found and demonstrated long before, without giving any credit.
SO do i trust OA's feedback on the new exploration system and to objectively look at all sides of an argument and present feedback? No i don't, i 100% expect him to figure out what will give him the most youtube clicks... I sort of can write a video now where he will say he wants honk scoop jump back and just wants the surface probes... then complains surfaces are worse than 2.0
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Side note... I have been looking for a new job recently and the amount of times I heard "Thanks for being honest / Appreciate your honesty" during or after the interviews is ridiculous. I am ALWAYS honest, that's how I've been raised. Lying and beeing dishonest is for lamers and cowards.
What sad times we live in, that being honest is recognised as something special...
Side note... I have been looking for a new job recently and the amount of times I heard "Thanks for being honest / Appreciate your honesty" during or after the interviews is ridiculous. I am ALWAYS honest, that's how I've been raised. Lying and beeing dishonest is for lamers and cowards.
What sad times we live in, that being honest is recognised as something special...
Reminds me of everytime I hear someone say "Well, to be perfectly honest...", which implies to me that they're not most of the time. LOLI know the feeling, and I've always been the same person, in or out of game- at work, at home, at the store, etc. It's simply amazing to me how many put on a mask in front of different crowds.
He must have explained it, because I had no idea at the time with no involvement with the community at all in terms of forums etc, but I watched his videos. I learned ABOUT the beige problem from him, and why it was happening.
I think you're being quite unfair to OA, not in terms of disagreeing with his videos or not liking them, but your claims about him being "toxic" in his comments and attributing this to trying to get clicks.
I don't know about anyone else, I think OA is actually known for being too nice, if anything. As far from toxic as I can imagine. He certainly sounds disillusioned with the speed of development though.
