Hardware & Technical Computer Build to run Elite Dangerous

[ianw]

I'm sure someone else who knows will chime in - but I believe you'd be fine using Win7 - I'm planning to use 8.

 

[Greeboski]

The salesmen (After ringing him again yesterday afternoon) say I don't.

Am I being cheated and lied to here?

be carefull , salesmen dont have to be cheating/lieing to you to not give acurate answers - they genuinly sometimes do not know. as i do not know the answer i will leave it there . hopefuly someone can answer that question for you

 

[Calico Jack]

Another thing, they are only giving me WINDOWS EIGHT . ONE and not the PRO edition. As my dad reckons the PRO edition is needed to upgrade to WINDOWS MEDIA CENTRE to run dvds which means games on dvd as well.

What he read in a computer magazine exactly was that was that to add WINDOWS MEDIA CENTRE you only need to spend about $10.00 AUD. Though, if you had to add WINDOWS EIGHT . ONE PRO in order to use that, you would also be spending about $100.00 AUD.

Do I really need these to run games on dvds as well as other media dvds on top of WINDOWS EIGHT . ONE.

My dad says I do. According to the computer magazine he's reading.

The salesmen (After ringing him again yesterday afternoon) say I don't.

Am I being cheated and lied to here?

Congrats on the new PC Mick!

Wow. Really surprised that Windows 8 doesn't actually come with Windows Media Center like Windows 7 and Vista did.

You certainly don't need Windows Media Center or any Media player to play games on your new PC. If they are on a DVD just pop it in and go.

If you do want a media player here are some free alternatives.

http://www.howtogeek.com/132462/5-alternatives-to-windows-media-center-on-windows-8/

Googling on my Smart Phone and just asked the Windows Media Player website to verify what version of Windows I am using - apparently my Note 2 is using Windows 8.1 - errrr.....

 

[Commander Mick]

Sorry, About Not Merging MY Earlier Posts Here

Commander Mick.... some thoughts for you.

1. There is no need to spend anywhere NEAR AUD$4000 unless you want to keep retailers happy donating money to them where it is not required.

In this instance I think I am making retailers very happy being a COMPUTER INNARDS NEWBIE as somebody else put it. Hope fully this mistake will be forgotten once I start playing.

2. NOTHING can beat a custom build rig you put together yourself. With pre built ones sure they pick some good parts and they also pick some parts that are mediocre that people may not notice.

Yes, well now I 'm not sure about the Graphics card they picked, even though I specifically asked for a NVidia.

3. I would not be building a solitary thing till Feb / March next year. Prices will be lower after Christmas, new video cards will be out and there will be more motherboards supporting the Intel 2011 socket Ivy Bridge set of processors and they too will be lower in price by then (4 memory channels vs 2 for practically the same price)

I thought about waiting until after ALPHA, maybe even BETA befopre I was going to buy a new computer, but I got too impatient and was given a option to have one earlier. I just hope that doesn't bite me in the rear when march 20140 rolls up. By then I hope the machine I will be having in another two days won't be surpassed.

4. I would strongly advise AGAINST going to one of those larger retailers.

So do I just order from the warehouses online then?

I am sure people here will be happy to give their specs of their new builds here. There are many computer shops that can build you a custom rig for a fraction of the cost. You can give them a parts list that the community here can help you with, then you just say "build this". For me I will be building mine myself.

What other computer shops are there if there isn't a big retailer store to rely on?

Choosing cards etc take effort and time. You don't just point and go "that will do the numbers are large than that one" take for example a 2 GIG nvidia 770 vs a 4 gig 770, the price at the moment is only $120 more with the 770 here in Aus BUT there is a more expensive 780 with only 1 gig.....

I just noticed while looking over my new computer specs before. That the salesman had neglected to write down the GIGABYTES of my GRAPHICS CARD and I'm not even sure if it's still a NVidia. Would the letters GTX before 670 be a clue?

SO Mick time for you to study up, read up, ask people, research places like Tom's hardware guide. You can copy and paste processor types and look for reviews on them online, it will take time but the knowledge you will gain will be amazing.

I did start out doing that a little, but I gave in and went to bug retailer to do the rest for me.

If you do not then some retailer MAY take advantage of that.

Yeah, well, I guess I'm really paying for that now.

Keep away from the big ones and do NOT spend anywhere NEAR $AUD4000.

You know this would be the third time I've spent more than $2000.00 AUD on a machine. I thought I learnt my lesson after the first time.

[EDIT] I just went to the website of a local retailer and used their online custom PC builder. I picked high end parts specialised power supply, ivy bridge I7 (12 threaded CPU !!) and it was UNDER $2000AUD.... ok not MUCH under $2000 but NO WHERE NEAR $4000. I reiterate. NO NEED to spend anywhere NEAR $4000AUD

I will try to use my own savings next time so I don't have to rely on a big retailer for getting my financial options.

Agree fully with Styggron's post & would like to add that if anyone's toying with the idea of building a new rig, then joining the forums at overclockers.co.uk may be worth taking the trouble to do. The community there is very knowledgable, most are gamers themselves, & will give you intelligent answers if you ask them to spec you a machine.

I wonder if there are computer clubs in my local area that put machine together the way most of you people do. Some physical place I go to and get help from.

I must have spent three months or more trying to decide what I'm going to buy.

I've still not decided between 1150 and 2011 sockets, these are the newer architectures. What puts me off of 1150 is that it is 'limited' to 32GB on dual channel ram. What puts me off of 2011 is that the X79 chip set is two years old so might be replaced soon.

And graphics cards! Well, I've been following the discussions with great interest... At the moment, I'm tending towards a Radeon rather than nVidia.

People say not to waste money on 2011/Xeon capable 'stuff' and all we really need is a full quad core i5 with 8G of RAM with a decent 2GB RAM graphics card.

But I've never been happy just buying 'what I need'. I'll delay buying to get the machine I want, even if it means missing Beta, but I hope to buy in January in the expected sales...

I though I was going to that as well and given my meagre bank balance nearly a week earlier.

Hehe, if money wasn't the limiting factor, I'd have build an LGA2011 system with 64 GB ram & killer SLI/Crossfire GFX. Alas, I'm on a budget and had to settle for less. TBH, I'm thankful I was able to get a solid rig in time for E: D alpha .

I remember when the computers needed to play the current games grew on trees. Actually, perhaps not, as the $600.00 AUD need to buy the COMMODORE 64 BUNDLE would still be comparatively large sum of money for me back in the mid-eighties.

Word of advice when buying a gaming machine is to buy a gaming machine or one with the best possible CPU GPU CPU-cooler and power supply upgrading the Hard-drive and Ram can be done cheaply.

Trying to cut corners by buying a home or business PC for gaming and throwing in the upgrades may seem cheaper at first but its a headache and the saving isn't much since your forced to hunt around for low profile CPU cooler fans and small form graphics cards.

If you have a home/business micro ATX cases and want a better or high end GPU your looking at

MSI HD 7850 OC 2048MB
ZOTAC brands
Asus GeForce GTX 670 Mini 2048MB which should fits into a ITX mini form factor as well.

I hope these words of wisdom help

Thanx.

Well here goes my build I guess.

HAF XB Cooler Master Case (excellent case if you want to try something new/different(it's not really new))
16 GB 1866 mhz ddr3 RAM
Intel i7 4770k CPU
Asetek 570LX cooling system for the fore mentioned item.
Radeon R9 290x 4gb reference card

The neat thing about my current setup is that the GPUs are side by side, not up and down. Heat rises of course allowing the hot air to go straight out of the case while minimally touching the other GPU I plan on getting. I'm planning on getting a non reference R9 290x to go along with the one I have. The reference cooler will of course be on the output of the non reference, as the reference runs quite hot. I'm also anticipating the new ram coming out soon.. although I'd have to replace my mobo

*side note* If the reference card hinders performance I will slap a accelero xtreme iii onto it (vRAM cooling on coolers like the xtreme iii, prolimatech, gelid icy vision, etc are terrible and can also be a pain.)... Hopefully it won't come to that. Also the accelero takes up a slot so I wouldn't be able to tri-fire in the future if I wanted... but I doubt I would be doing that anyways. If I came to the point where I needed to use 3 GPUs it's time to buy new ones.

I'm now using a type of COOLER MASTER gaming case as well. I hope it works out well.

Hope you enjoy your new rig Mick. :smilie:

We both hope

Obvious confusion: GIGABYTE is also a manufacturer of Graphics Cards, just like ASUS and all the others. Just like ASUS they use NVIDIA and AMD chips to produce cards. Usually these cards are similar to the cards that NVIDIA and AMD produce themselves but they can differ on small but important things such as a better GPU cooler.

I wish to know more about this as it does look my new gerpahic s card has been switched from a NVidia to what you say is a GIGABYTE.

Which ones are known to better CPU coolers?

Which is a better Graphics Card?

Am I being cheated again, or has my dealer just done this to fit the budget with the knowledge that this card is properly almost the same?

I'm pretty much the same on the Nvidia/Radeon thing.

Just upgraded from a Radeon to a Nvidia GT9800 then to a Radeon 7870 and so far I'm more than happy.

Now, from all the talk on this forum about fortnight earlier I thought that NVidia is better. Especially with all the promos I see for that brand being played while waiting for most of my games to load.

I picked up a Antec 300 case a couple of years ago and it's still doing well. As long as I can slam my Cobra into the Station wall I'll be happy...sort of.

Slam my COBRA into the station Oh the innuendo!

While I completely respect and accept conversation on the merits of various components and such, after 46 pages, that seems to be all there is.

Surely the question is: What are the minimum requirements to play?

That is what should be stickyed, not endless discussions on who has the biggest one.

I'm sure it's written there somewhere....From memory.....

DIRECT X 11
QUAD CORE PROCESSORS (I forget the amount of GIGA-HERTZ exactly, but the one I have ordered is 4 GIGA=BYTES)
GT10 GRAPHICS CARD
8 GIGABYTES RAM

(I will Edit what I just wrote from memory above once I find the official specs I've seen written and realise I'm wrong)

Mick,

I've had to merge some of your posts. Could you use the multi quote system? The thread tends to move very quicky at the moment.

Thanks.

Sorry about that, but I've only just realised there is Automatic-Multi-Quote- Function. UP til now, I have been Quoting-Multiple-Quote manually and since that a pain to do when most of the posts are spread out over many pages. I opted to just do individual posts. Again, sorry about that. Now I know.

I'm sure someone else who knows will chime in - but I believe you'd be fine using Win7 - I'm planning to use 8.

I'm using WINDOWS EIGHT . ONE and not PRO if that matters

be carefull , salesmen dont have to be cheating/lieing to you to not give acurate answers - they genuinly sometimes do not know. as i do not know the answer i will leave it there . hopefuly someone can answer that question for you

You mean, I could be a salesman myself, given my current credentials :S

My new computer specifications as they have been written on a piece of paper by the salesman.....

I7 4770 3.4 GIGA-HERTZ
CORSAIR 16 GIG-BYTES 1600 MEGA-HERTZ
SOLID-STATE-DRIVE 120 GIG-BYTES SAMSUNG EVO
2 TERA-BYTES WB (Not sure what WB means here?)
BLUE-RAY-READ-ONLY-MEMORY LIFES-GOOD COMBO
1.300 MEGA-HERTZ WIFI N ASUS (Again, I'm not sure what the N mean here?)
650 WATTS COOLER-MASTER POWER SUPPLY UNIT
COOLER-MASTER STORM ENFORCER GAMING CASE
GIGABYTE GTX 770 (Now, not Overclocked and I'm unsure of the GIGA-BYTES, but they were 4 with the PYRON)
WINDOWS EIGHT . ONE
ASUS P10 (This could be PRO, but it's hard to tell from the hand-writing.) MOTHERBOARD
TWO-SPEAKER, ONE SUB-WOOFA WITH AMPLIFIER - EDIFIER C2XD
L527 (27 Inch) MONITOR
RAZOR - BLACKWIDOW KEYBOARD (With Back-Lit Keys)
RAZOR NAGA - MOUSE (With a programmable set of keys)

My first payment is $246.00 AUD to be paid first because it does go about that far over the $4000.00 AUD limit.

SAITEK CYBORG FLY PC FLIGHT-STICK Joystick controller. Already payed for.

Soon to be replaced by a new SAITEK X55 when they are available.

Perhaps, a OCCULUS RIFT ,but maybe not since I may have problems seeing and using the keyboard while wearing one.

One of those HEAD-TRACKER pieces, but later on when my finances have healed from the damage being done right now.

 

[Minti2]

@Commander Mick thats got to be the longest post ive seen yet on the ED forum! lol the 770 GTX card you have is the same as mine, there is a 2GB and 4GB(mines 4GB)

 

[NeilF]

Any idea if il be able to play on medium settings with 60fps @ 1080p ?

i7 950 not OC
asus 770
10gbddr3

I'm fully expecting that on my 5yr old machine (with a new GFX card) so I fully expect you'll be more than OK!

But until we get feedback from Alpha/Beta, no one will know for sure!

 

[Greeboski]

You mean, I could be a salesman myself, given my current credentials :S

not quite what i ment
i ment that sometimes they arnt fully up to date , but then not many people are fully up to date myself included

 

[Pyros]

I7 4770 3.4 GIGA-HERTZ
CORSAIR 16 GIG-BYTES 1600 MEGA-HERTZ
SOLID-STATE-DRIVE 120 GIG-BYTES SAMSUNG EVO
2 TERA-BYTES WB[/b] (Not sure what WB means here?) - probably not WB, but WD - standing for Western Digital, a quality HDD manufacturer
BLUE-RAY-READ-ONLY-MEMORY LIFES-GOOD COMBO
1.300 MEGA-HERTZ WIFI N ASUS (Again, I'm not sure what the N mean here?) - N is a reference to 802.11n - which is a multiple antennas wireless standard, 300 being a reference to the max data bandwidth. Not to worry, a pretty standard thing.
650 WATTS COOLER-MASTER POWER SUPPLY UNIT
COOLER-MASTER STORM ENFORCER GAMING CASE
GIGABYTE GTX 770 (Now, not Overclocked and I'm unsure of the GIGA-BYTES, but they were 4 with the PYRON) Standard nVidia GTX 770, a 2GB on a 256bit bus GPU (GK104 to be more precise). 4GB has little impact on its performance in most gaming scenarios.
WINDOWS EIGHT . ONE
ASUS P10 (This could be PRO, but it's hard to tell from the hand-writing.) MOTHERBOARD
TWO-SPEAKER, ONE SUB-WOOFA WITH AMPLIFIER - EDIFIER C2XD
L527 (27 Inch) MONITOR
RAZOR - BLACKWIDOW KEYBOARD (With Back-Lit Keys)
RAZOR NAGA - MOUSE (With a programmable set of keys)

My first payment is $246.00 AUD to be paid first because it does go about that far over the $4000.00 AUD limit.

SAITEK CYBORG FLY PC FLIGHT-STICK Joystick controller. Already payed for.

Soon to be replaced by a new SAITEK X55 when they are available.

Perhaps, a OCCULUS RIFT ,but maybe not since I may have problems seeing and using the keyboard while wearing one.

One of those HEAD-TRACKER pieces, but later on when my finances have healed from the damage being done right now.

Grats on your new system - hopefully you will enjoy it and have tons of fun playing ED (and other games).

I did a few comments on your config to clear eventual doubts.

 

[Pyros]

Perhaps I've misunderstood. I understood that dual channel RAM is faster, and therefore, better than single channel. It follows, then, that quad channel will be faster still. Why does that make it irrelevant?

Oh, OK, I read up. It would seem that games tend to be GPU bound rather than CPU or RAM bound. Sigh, there's always the next bottleneck!

So for best GPU surely the 40 lane PCI-e on the 2011 processors will be worth investing in...

As you found out, GPU power is the bottleneck. Also, there are a few things to consider. Memory performance depends on three factors (for the most part): bandwidth, latency and efficiency of the memory controller.

Bandwidth depends on frequency, data rate and bus width, ultimately measured by data per second (there are other ways). Latency, being based on time, is measure either in ns or, more commonly, in cycles.

Question is that a quad channel architecture has twice the bandwidth (four 64 bit channels instead of 2) at the same clockspeed (frequency), but due to several reasons (electric noise, ...), it is harder to have the same frequency in a quad channel as in a dual channel. And the same goes with latency - the wider the bus, the harder to get low latencies.

So doubling the width will increase the bandwidth (not necessarily doubling it due to lower achievable frequency) but will not do anything for your latency or controller efficiency (most likely both will be slightly worse).

And if your system is not bandwidth bottlenecked, the impact of the extra channels can be pretty underwhelming, particularly if your application is more latency sensitive than bandwidth starved.

The 40 PCie lanes are relevant for maximum GPU performance if you are going reaaaally extreme. Think 4 way crossfire with subzero cooling type of extreme . And there the SW support is a bit, lets say, lacking.

Sorry for the techie post

 

[Styggron]

@Commander Mick

PLEASE PLEASE.... there is no point for a sense of urgency in making an immediate and possibly rash decision re components and no do NOT go to a larger retailer. I know you are in QLD so you need to find a place near you there.

Many people here in my state use www.centrecom.com.au and http://www.cpl.net.au/

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT go to a large retailer as you saw they are generally not specialists..... heed the advice of the community and always look for evidence yourself. I felt bad when you said you "Gave up"....

No....!!! NEVER GIVE UP !!! Were great things done by people who gave in ? NO !! NEVER GIVE UP !! Fight for the knowledge, research, ask and always work to improve oneself and learn from ones errors.

Check out those two sites I gave you. All details online. You can then visit manufacturer websites and read other independant reviews and then ask in the hardware off topicareas here.

But please...I beseech you..... WAIT and take time and DO NOT sign ANYTHING until you are thoroughly informed and this will take TIME. There is NO rush. There is no point constructing something new just for a non fully optimised alpha....don't you want the best experience with the full game ? Of course you do !!!!!

Sit tight !

 

[Paul Whitehouse]

Where are the AMD fans ?

Perhaps I'm in the minority here- I'll be running on:

AMD FX-8350 (8 Core, 4-4.2 GHz, 16MB L3 Cache)
Gigabyte GA-990UX-UD3 (AMD 990X chipset)
Corsair Vengeance 8GB DDR3
EVGA (NVidia) GTX550Ti (1GB)

...and Windows 8.1...

I'm not planning to upgrade anything yet. I fly X-plan 10 with everything maxed-out and it looks gorgeous and responds just fine. I'm expecting nothing less from Elite. If I'm not happy I could always add another GTX550Ti and use SLI. That would cost about €100, much cheaper than a new bleeding edge card.

 

[Dryza Bone]

I too, have the AMD FX 8350 Black Edition running the Gigabyte 970A-D3 MB with 8 gig of ram and AMD Radeon HD6900.
I am not planning on up-grading my machine anytime in the near future so, if it can't handle E: Dangerous then tough, i'll go back to playing FRONTIER.

 

[Sir.Tj]

@Commander Mick

PLEASE PLEASE.... there is no point for a sense of urgency in making an immediate and possibly rash decision re components and no do NOT go to a larger retailer. I know you are in QLD so you need to find a place near you there.

Many people here in my state use www.centrecom.com.au and http://www.cpl.net.au/

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT go to a large retailer as you saw they are generally not specialists..... heed the advice of the community and always look for evidence yourself. I felt bad when you said you "Gave up"....

No....!!! NEVER GIVE UP !!! Were great things done by people who gave in ? NO !! NEVER GIVE UP !! Fight for the knowledge, research, ask and always work to improve oneself and learn from ones errors.

Check out those two sites I gave you. All details online. You can then visit manufacturer websites and read other independant reviews and then ask in the hardware off topicareas here.

But please...I beseech you..... WAIT and take time and DO NOT sign ANYTHING until you are thoroughly informed and this will take TIME. There is NO rush. There is no point constructing something new just for a non fully optimised alpha....don't you want the best experience with the full game ? Of course you do !!!!!

Sit tight !

Listen to Styggron, it's better to miss the Alphas than put yourself into debt for far more than is necessary.

 

[Perseus]

I finally discovered that my processor is a dual core with four threads. I'm going for a total rebuild now.
So far I've got a Corsair 850W PSU and case, a GTX 770 4GB GPU and today I ordered an i5 4670k and an Asrock Z87 Extreme motherboard.
RAM and the SSD are going to have to wait until after Xmas as I've spent close to a thousand euros already.
I'm sure it'll be worth every damn bean. However, if anyone can see a problem with my rig then please let me know!

 

[deusx_ophc]

psu waaay to big unless, 500+ enough
gtx770 4gb (questions what display do you use?! if not4k get the msi 770tgx twin frozer
i5 4670k (get the Intel® Xeon® Prozessor E3-1230V3)
asrock z87 mobo ( get the ASRock H87 Pro4, Mainboard, 80 EUR)

this will save you about 150 EUR and be like a i7 with less watt/heat/noise

 

[Minti2]

psu waaay to big unless, 500+ enough
gtx770 4gb (questions what display do you use?! if not4k get the msi 770tgx twin frozer
i5 4670k (get the Intel® Xeon® Prozessor E3-1230V3)
asrock z87 mobo ( get the ASRock H87 Pro4, Mainboard, 80 EUR)

this will save you about 150 EUR and be like a i7 with less watt/heat/noise

He said hes either got the items or they are on order, i think he wants to know if there will be any compatibility problems or such?

 

[Cody]

... if anyone can see a problem with my rig then please let me know!

Looks like a pretty good rig, does that - no problems there.

 

[Perseus]

Aye, TLG is right. Items are in my room or in the post now. I've got the big PSU because I don't know what I'll do GPU wise in the future and reckoned bigger was better.
Anyway, thanks for the advice deusx_ophc, I could always send the products back if there was a serious pluck up!


Edit: And Cody too, of course >taps hat, tilts head<

 

[Pyros]

I finally discovered that my processor is a dual core with four threads. I'm going for a total rebuild now.
So far I've got a Corsair 850W PSU and case, a GTX 770 4GB GPU and today I ordered an i5 4670k and an Asrock Z87 Extreme motherboard.
RAM and the SSD are going to have to wait until after Xmas as I've spent close to a thousand euros already.
I'm sure it'll be worth every damn bean. However, if anyone can see a problem with my rig then please let me know!

No problem, although your GPU RAM size selection might have been a little suboptimal, depending on price premium over standard version and the resolution you play. Nothing to be concerned though

When you buy the RAM, do get 16GB (2x8GB sticks) of 1866+ DDR3 for your system. For SSD I'd advise Samsung Evo line (240GB is a sweet spot) for great performance/price relation.

You'll end up with a nice, powerful and balanced gaming system.

 

[Commander Mick]

I Have Already Signed The Papers, It's A Done Deal....

@Commander Mick thats got to be the longest post ive seen yet on the ED forum! lol the 770 GTX card you have is the same as mine, there is a 2GB and 4GB(mines 4GB)

I do try. I guess I have a lot to say. I actually had all these quotes I was going to reply to on some other post and when I previewed it. It told me that I had exceed the maximium count of words and I had to remove the rest of the what I was saying just to fit it all in.

not quite what i ment
i ment that sometimes they arnt fully up to date , but then not many people are fully up to date myself included

Grats on your new system - hopefully you will enjoy it and have tons of fun playing ED (and other games).

I did a few comments on your config to clear eventual doubts.

Noted....So, my Graphic Card could be either 2 or 4 GIGA-BYTES

@Commander Mick

PLEASE PLEASE.... there is no point for a sense of urgency in making an immediate and possibly rash decision re components and no do NOT go to a larger retailer. I know you are in QLD so you need to find a place near you there.

Many people here in my state use www.centrecom.com.au and http://www.cpl.net.au/

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do NOT go to a large retailer as you saw they are generally not specialists..... heed the advice of the community and always look for evidence yourself. I felt bad when you said you "Gave up"....

No....!!! NEVER GIVE UP !!! Were great things done by people who gave in ? NO !! NEVER GIVE UP !! Fight for the knowledge, research, ask and always work to improve oneself and learn from ones errors.

Check out those two sites I gave you. All details online. You can then visit manufacturer websites and read other independant reviews and then ask in the hardware off topicareas here.

But please...I beseech you..... WAIT and take time and DO NOT sign ANYTHING until you are thoroughly informed and this will take TIME. There is NO rush. There is no point constructing something new just for a non fully optimised alpha....don't you want the best experience with the full game ? Of course you do !!!!!

Sit tight !

Like I said earlier, I have already signed the money away for it and thew computer will arrive at my doorstep tomorrow evening at 6:00PM all being well.

I will of course take your advice in future when I need to upgrade or replace it. In future I will endeavour to have the money I need upfront instead of needing to take out a loan with them.

It's too late now, it's already been done. Written in stone.

Thanx for those links, they might come in handy sometime further on.

BTW....

I think I told my father about this too early. As I broke the news to him that I purchased the very expensive high end machine on the way home from town on Monday after I received a positive confirmation of being financed and signed my name at the retailer. He asked me how much I payed for it exactly I sort of fibbed that only cost me $3000.00 AUD and that I have already payed for it upfront with my own money. Because he thinks I had been saving my money wisely all this time when I had actually splurged out on a lot this year almost depleting all of it completely. He would not be happy to find out the truth. As we were discussing my purchase last night and he was looking over the specifications. He decided to web-search for other computers of the same brand and with the same components online and found out they were all at least $2000.00AUD dearer. While mine cost only almost that much, I think he did smell a rat. Though, he reasoned that the computer I'm getting has been scaled back. The thing is that he wanted to find out more and decided to go into Harvey Norman today, just over half a hour ago to look at what machine I am getting. As I had told him the one being built for me is based on the PURON they have in their store. Even though it's no longer a PYRON. I Just hope he doesn't ask too many questions and finds out what I had really paid and how I am paying for it. If he does, he may be having some serious words with me when he gets home. Though, I'm too old for this treatment. I do still live under his roof and I guess he has a point. I should really be saving my money have a descent bank balance by now.

Father's just too damn nosey.

I shouldn't have told him until it arrived. I will keep you all posted on this.