"Console development continues behind the scenes with an Autumn release still on schedule"

It is odd that after 6 months and 4 updates since consoles were delayed Frontier hasn’t offered any insight into what they think the future looks like for consoles.

Take a look at EDO on Odyssey. That should tell you all you need to know about the future for consoles. Until FD get it running decently on most PCs it will never run on consoles.

Start to think it might come when that happens and not a day earlier.
 
Take a look at EDO on Odyssey. That should tell you all you need to know about the future for consoles. Until FD get it running decently on most PCs it will never run on consoles.

Start to think it might come when that happens and not a day earlier.
It is odd that a product that is apparently so flawed is still on sale.
 
It is odd that a product that is apparently so flawed is still on sale.

Could say the same about a whole load of other games out there. Just EDO doesn't have the protection of "Early Access" or "Alpha"

And its not so flawed. Overall now its up to FD's usual standard in terms of bugs, just performance is an issue. If you have a rig that can run it, then it plays pretty good.

If they could up the required system spec, then it would let potential purchasers know it requires a beefy computer to run. FD might not want to do that though, they may be still hoping they can improve performance.
 
Could say the same about a whole load of other games out there. Just EDO doesn't have the protection of "Early Access" or "Alpha"

And its not so flawed. Overall now its up to FD's usual standard in terms of bugs, just performance is an issue. If you have a rig that can run it, then it plays pretty good.

If they could up the required system spec, then it would let potential purchasers know it requires a beefy computer to run. FD might not want to do that though, they may be still hoping they can improve performance.
A rather crude deflection attempt, the status of other games is irrelevant to the status of Elite Dangerous.

The phrase ‘not so flawed‘ admits that Odyssey is flawed.

It seems you’re suggesting that the required system specs, should be higher than Frontier’s advertised required system specs, which suggests that Frontier are misleading it’s customers.

I seem to remember Frontier claimed the major problem with Odyssey was connection issues.

It started off as a jest that the retail version of Odyssey was a ‘beta’, but given the unfolding of circumstances since May 19 2021, it’s quite difficult to characterise the process as anything other than a beta for a clearly unfinished product.
 
40+ years as a gamer I've never witnessed a worse roll out.
And it's moderately better 9 patches later.
They got hammered financially and reviews wise. So lesson learned no doubt.
But for me personally, it's the huge let down in exploration potential.
This shoot em up addition does nothing relating to elites lore. It's as far removed from the spirit of the game as one could possibly be.
So now we've 2 games. 2 huge grinds.
Why?
Well we all know why. Money.

o7
 
A rather crude deflection attempt, the status of other games is irrelevant to the status of Elite Dangerous.

Not really, i'm saying FD decided to slap a release label on it, therefore they are responsible for ensuring the game is in a releasable state. Also that many games hide behind "early access" or "alpha" for years, deflecting criticism. Fortnite ridiculously kept their early access label for years, despite being the most popular game during that period.

So, its a good thing we can criticise it without being told "ITS ALPHA" or "ITS EARLY ACCESS", but, conversely, there are others out there who shield themselves from criticism despite in effect, being a released product.

Should FD have slapped a "beta" or "early access" label on it to deflect criticism? Perhaps, perhaps not.

The phrase ‘not so flawed‘ admits that Odyssey is flawed.

It has bugs, well in line with ED's usual number of bugs. Its nothing new for FD. We are just used to it. If someone is going to rage quit ED over bugs like exist, they would have done it years ago. Every patch FD have released is flawed, its not special to Odyssey. Performance in the real killer, even worse than the performance issues we had on Horizons release.

It seems you’re suggesting that the required system specs, should be higher than Frontier’s advertised required system specs, which suggests that Frontier are misleading it’s customers.

I am indeed saying that. I'd say there is a limit to how long FD can go without raising the required specs before it goes from "we have performance issues but we will fix them" to "we can't fix the performance issues and need to raise the system requirements". Its a question as to whether they should have already done that or they can still say that they can fix the performance issue to the point where the existing listed specs are viable to play. Have they passed the point where "we are working on it" is no longer a good enough excuse? Tricky one. Every patch has brought some improvements. I'm skeptical they will never make it run well enough on the listed minimum specs, and since this thread is about consoles, i suspect at some point FD will announce no Odyssey for last gen consoles.

I seem to remember Frontier claimed the major problem with Odyssey was connection issues.

That was a problem early on from my understanding as well. I've had no real connection issues since i started playing Odyssey a month or two ago. Well, beyond the usual situation for ED, the odd disconnect ever week or two.

It started off as a jest that the retail version of Odyssey was a ‘beta’, but given the unfolding of circumstances since May 19 2021, it’s quite difficult to characterise the process as anything other than a beta for a clearly unfinished product.

I won't accept anyone calling EDO a beta. FD made the choice to slap a release label on it. They have to stand by that or withdraw it from sale, offer refunds, then they can slap a beta label on it and rerelease it as a beta, if they so choose.

As I see it, the way forward for FD is to keep working on performance, but raise the listed system requirements to something believable, and finally announce that Odyssey isn't going to happen on last gen consoles.

But there again, i don't work for FD, i don't know what the feelings among the devs are. Maybe they have confidence they can still improve performance significantly. If that is the case, then maybe they feel like they can keep the same listed requirements, because they think they will get there.

To be honest, i don't see why not. ED isn't doing anything that special, at least from a layman's point of view, looking at what the game is displaying. There are game out there that look a lot more impressive but don't tax the computers like EDO does. But maybe there is stuff going on that i don't understand which means FD will never improve it much.
 
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Should FD have slapped a "beta" or "early access" label on it to deflect criticism? Perhaps, perhaps not.

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I won't accept anyone calling EDO a beta. FD made the choice to slap a release label on it. They have to stand by that or withdraw it from sale, offer refunds, then they can slap a beta label on it and rerelease it as a beta, if they so choose.

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Odyssey should have carried the beta label as that best reflected its status at release, whether you accept it or not.

I ask you to consider whether a properly realised release candidate would require the CEO to apologise for the product at launch, whether it would have attract around 25% positive Steam reviews (at launch) and require 9 (and counting) updates in 7 months after being released.
 
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Odyssey should have carried the beta label as that best reflected its status at release, whether you accept it or not.

Should have, could have, didn't. They sold it as a fully released product.

I ask you to consider whether a properly realised release candidate would require the CEO to apologise for the product at launch, whether it would have attracted around 25% positive Steam reviews and require 9 (and counting) updates in 7 moinths after being released.

I would hope a CEO would apologize for a bad release and of course wouldn't need to apologize for a bad release. I'm not sure what your point is here.

Odyssey got rightfully trashed in reviews.

FD are trying to improve things, but performance remains the real killer.

I would suggest that if FD had got performance good from the start, reviews would have been a lot more positive, dare i even suggest overall positive, and that's console release would have already happened.

Odyssey itself, if you can play it, is a pretty good addition to ED in my opinion. Its really opened up the gameplay, added loads of new things to do, and despite some issues, planetary generation is much nicer.

Bugs? Yeah, well, you used to play ED, you put up with the bugs on Mac right? You still played it. FD are up there with Bugthesda and Rockstar for buggy games. Still play their games though.
 
Odyssey should have carried the beta label as that best reflected its status at release.
One of my friends bought Odyssey for xmas. Refunded it after a short time attempting and failing to get double digit framerates.
I was like "I told you it's not out of Early Access yet, but you didn't listen, what did you expect?"
Back to running it at solid 60 in Horizons, so no harm done except to the potential for that customer to trust a Frontier product in the future.
 
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