"Console development continues behind the scenes with an Autumn release still on schedule"

CMDR KCalo

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MX Shadowlord said:
I'm tired of saying it but the concept is extremely simple: Odyssey will be released on consoles when the PC version is optimized. When and above all what level of optimization on PC must be achieved for the release on console? Even just a declaration of circumstance is enough as for example (the console version is going well but it will still take a few months) (we are working the console version but we prefer to pet our cat) (The console version of Odyssey exists and is in the works but our religion does not allow you to work for more than two hours a day for xbox and ps5) Please PLEASE give us real news thanks
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You didn't have to say it, really. Yours was the first post in here in 9 days, it all pretty much died down...

Nevermind, I see that it just flared up a bit for you. Understand, CMDR we all hate waiting. Best thing to do is try to ignore EDO for now and find what you like in EDH. I for one like exploring and just got a new Phantom to head out into the black. About 2500ly outside the bubble at the moment just roaming around.
 
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tolm

tolm
Northpin said:
So i guess the target is clear. When the game will be playable and have stable FPS on the potato PC that is the Horizons minimum hardware requirements PC... then it will be ready to be ported on PS4/XB1
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And yet they have not said this. Despite many, many folks asking what is your target they have at no time clarified the target performance and on which PC spec that performance must be shown before they will start console development.

To suggest they do now know that target is ridiculous … so why do they not say? Why indeed … other than if they have no intention of proceeding with a port but both do not want to say that publicly yet but also want to avoid outright lying … hence the “no news” line …

Now, if I’m wrong all FDEV have to do is reply saying I am wrong. But they will not do that. They will simply ignore or roll out the usual “we have nothing to say” response like that is any kind of response worthy of theirs - or our - time.
 

NewBlacksmurf

NewBlacksmurf
Northpin said:
How do you know?
The game is running smoother, lighting is getting optimized, some cpu heavy tasks were optimized (sort off - i'm talking about AI Navmesh)
But most of the optimization is behind the scenes - you cant really see if they optimize some cpu workloads - not unless you run a real potato pc, way under minimum specs and you trigger that specific workload.

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They dont really need to share anything.




There you go.
They split the servers because the game was not ready
Odyssey requires higher minimum hardware requirements and with those requirements the game would not have been playable on Horizons minimum PC specs OR on PS4/XB1 which have similar specs with.

So i guess the target is clear. When the game will be playable and have stable FPS on the potato PC that is the Horizons minimum hardware requirements PC... then it will be ready to be ported on PS4/XB1
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Just to clarify something to make sure we are actually talking about the same thing. Them doing optimization work for PC is not the same as optimization work for console.

To further clarify…they are not basing a lower spec PC on how a game runs for a console.

To be clear, all I’m saying and pointing out is we know they are NOT working on console because that is what they literally said.
They told us the reason console development is not going on is because they feel like PC needs to be optimized. I own both and I completely agree it really needs some work on PC.

The problem however:
They actually do need to share what consoles Odyssey work is going to be on. This goes into “WHY” did you actually stop console development. From an earlier comment from you and one I see from many others is the belief that there are different teams working on different things. Yes, everyone doesn’t do the same work and everyone is not interchangeable.

BUT

When you communicate that the “console team development” was stopped to focus on PC optimization, you are literally suggesting that the staff that would have been or was assigned to console development is now working to optimize PC. As a result no work is being done on console at all.

Now if it was just that…you would hear nothing from me, but they are not just working on optimizing PC. They are also working on content updates. Can they continue to keep adding new content updates for odyssey and horizons, sure. Should they…I dont know but are the would be console devs now doing content updates or are those devs doing PC optimization and the PC devs doing content updates. And at what point if there is one at all, do they stop and go back to finish the console version of Odyssey.

My criticism is just that, they are soley focused on PC right now…based on what they said…they will start working on console after they get PC optimized…or at least now that Is what we hope. The concern is what consoles specifically because if its taken you months to optimize PC while you keep rolling out content and feature updates, ow much more time is it going to take to finish console development before you get to optimize it?

What’s clear is there’s an opportunity to focus all available resources on actually optimizing PC so they can get to console development. At least that was how it was presented initially but they have changed direction without giving any updates.

Make sense what I’m complaining about?
 
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Cmdr Nimineza

Cmdr Nimineza
Some transparancy would help in this issue.
If FDev made clear, what the concrete roadblockers are and with which time horizon FDev is going to get this running. I mean, after 9 patches there is no position "We don't know when it is fixed" to defend anymore. After 9 months any justification for the Devs not knowing causes, ways to fix and timelines has gone up in smoke.... Remember: 3/4 year has gone by!
 
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Cmdr Nimineza said:
Some transparancy would help in this issue.
If FDev made clear, what the concrete roadblockers are and with which time horizon FDev is going to get this running. I mean, after 9 patches there is no position "We don't know when it is fixed" to defend anymore. After 9 months any justification for the Devs not knowing causes, ways to fix and timelines has gone up in smoke.... Remember: 3/4 year has gone by!
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Fdev don't know the meaning of transparency. It doesn't help that when you dare to hit the forums with a bit of salt the minions come flying in for daring to say anything bad about their beloved Elite or daddy F. Lol.
 

stormyuk

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stormyuk
Cmdr Nimineza said:
Some transparancy would help in this issue.
If FDev made clear, what the concrete roadblockers are and with which time horizon FDev is going to get this running. I mean, after 9 patches there is no position "We don't know when it is fixed" to defend anymore. After 9 months any justification for the Devs not knowing causes, ways to fix and timelines has gone up in smoke.... Remember: 3/4 year has gone by!
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It would indeed, the biggest disappointment for me is that at this point FDev are basically a stuck record on the subject and I know its not the CMs fault. I have no critisim for any individual, I have great respect for everyone at FDev but, the company as a whole really should really try to do better for the console community. "There is no console news" is pretty much continuously the only line now. The fact also remains as many have brought up, and its pretty key "When will we know the PC version is fixed/good enough?" to then start work on consoles. I honestly am not sure even FDev know.

As Bilbo once said, its starting to like feel like butter scraped over too much bread.

I have pretty much just moved onto other stuff now at this point now and just keep checking in every so often. Very disappointing to be honest. It really is. I also haven't bought Odyssey on PC (as my own personal tiny protest which I know means very little but, its the only thing we can do, vote with wallets as posting here is for our benefit mainly to vent, no one elses).

Its very interesting EDO STILL has never been discounted on the Frontier Store. (Steam has had it on sale a few times).
 

MX Shadowlord

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CMDR KCalo said:
You didn't have to say it, really. Yours was the first post in here in 9 days, it all pretty much died down...

Nevermind, I see that it just flared up a bit for you. Understand, CMDR we all hate waiting. Best thing to do is try to ignore EDO for now and find what you like in EDH. I for one like exploring and just got a new Phantom to head out into the black. About 2500ly outside the bubble at the moment just roaming around.
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But there is a small note, I started playing elite 6 years ago. It is an objective fact that the novelties and contents have been few. Why keep playing when even the developer doesn't deserve to answer?
 

SCiARA

SCiARA
i cant stop playing, for me its not just a game it's an escape from RL crap

there is literally nothing like it so cannot be replaced by other games
this game has helped me through the years and more recently, has steered me away from a path of self destruction

so for me, it's not just a game anymore, its escapism (therapy?) and a set time where I can forget this world and be in a universe where it feels right (how many of us dream to be living in this setting!!)

I'd guess there's a few us here, intricately linked to this game for similar reasons and so cannot just drop it for another

What I’ve come to realise over the last month or so is that for me, the game is not the problem, I can happily chug away in horizons and although Odyssey would be nice it's not a deal breaker, when/if it comes it comes

The problem is this forum, or to be more specific getting involved within it, it's just a breeding ground of contempt and since the partial release of Odyssey it's got so much worse, every little thing is scrutinised and is then turned into a battle, there's posters on here that I’m sure are just around to keep that contempt going, the majority of suggestions are pounced upon with repeated reminders that it not the 1st time it’s been suggested (surely that would mean it’s a feature that's in high demand?), that’s just one example of many


Sorry to pipe up but I had to say something, hopefully some of you will come to the same conclusion and will be able to take a step back and enjoy what we have and not let this place ruin it for you
o7
 

Sensei Jacksama

Sensei Jacksama
SCiARA said:
i cant stop playing, for me its not just a game it's an escape from RL crap

there is literally nothing like it so cannot be replaced by other games
this game has helped me through the years and more recently, has steered me away from a path of self destruction

so for me, it's not just a game anymore, its escapism (therapy?) and a set time where I can forget this world and be in a universe where it feels right (how many of us dream to be living in this setting!!)

I'd guess there's a few us here, intricately linked to this game for similar reasons and so cannot just drop it for another

What I’ve come to realise over the last month or so is that for me, the game is not the problem, I can happily chug away in horizons and although Odyssey would be nice it's not a deal breaker, when/if it comes it comes

The problem is this forum, or to be more specific getting involved within it, it's just a breeding ground of contempt and since the partial release of Odyssey it's got so much worse, every little thing is scrutinised and is then turned into a battle, there's posters on here that I’m sure are just around to keep that contempt going, the majority of suggestions are pounced upon with repeated reminders that it not the 1st time it’s been suggested (surely that would mean it’s a feature that's in high demand?), that’s just one example of many


Sorry to pipe up but I had to say something, hopefully some of you will come to the same conclusion and will be able to take a step back and enjoy what we have and not let this place ruin it for you
o7
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I agree with what your saying in general. Tbh though you really should look into something other than games for escapism. Have you tried martial arts? It gets out alot of frustration and you feel confident if you keep at it. I'm not trolling just offering friendly advice.

Speaking of the forums... have you read this disgusting thread? ... I litteraly cannot believe how so many can just ignore what goes on here. Of course alot of the ones posting are the ones doing it too soo...

The Elite Community(In My Experience)

if its reported, yes. Auto-censorship is so strict it filters out a near-endless stream of phrases which they cannot manually check or punish. Also that such filters also double trips over itself when people write in other languages... if they just matches words or even just parts of words. add...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk
 
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dreampage

dreampage
I continue to think about the "Odyssey on consoles" problem and try to come up with some ideas about what it would take for Frontier to clear up the fog that currently surrounds this topic. The "we're focusing on PC development and will tell you about consoles when we feel appropriate" type of communication doesn't cut it anymore. There have been 9 updates for Odyssey on PC and it's now in the phase of adding new content, it's not in emergency fixing mode anymore. So, in my opinion, here's what the console community would deserve:

1. What exactly is in the way of console development? The low specs of the last generation hardware? The closed online stores where patching and updating is a slower process?

2. What exactly do you (Frontier) consider a sufficient state on PC, which would make it feasible to start working on the console versions? Is it general performance? Further memory optimization? The amount of bugs fixed? Adding more content in order to make the experience more cohesive?

3. Seeing the progress of these 9 updates so far, when do you expect Odyssey to be in a state where you can comfortably start considering your options for consoles? Do you think it still takes one or two patches, or another nine? Does it depend on a technical milestone or something content-wise?

4. How realistic do you feel supporting last generation consoles for Odyssey? Do you seriously consider supporting the new generation only, or insist having Odyssey on last gen or nothing? Does developing new-gen versions (if applicable at all) further delay console development? Do you have any kind of roadmap for this? Do you not have development kits at all, and that's what prevents development in the first place?

TL;DR

I do think sharing information about the reasons and any kind of possible roadmap / schedule about console development would ease tensions within the console community. My personal two cents: I don't mind if I have to wait, say, until next autumn, if I do know how long it takes. The main thing here is information. Waiting hopelessly is much worse than waiting the same amount having a theoretical beacon placed somewhere on the calendar.
 

NewBlacksmurf

NewBlacksmurf
dreampage said:
I continue to think about the "Odyssey on consoles" problem and try to come up with some ideas about what it would take for Frontier to clear up the fog that currently surrounds this topic. The "we're focusing on PC development and will tell you about consoles when we feel appropriate" type of communication doesn't cut it anymore. There have been 9 updates for Odyssey on PC and it's now in the phase of adding new content, it's not in emergency fixing mode anymore. So, in my opinion, here's what the console community would deserve:

1. What exactly is in the way of console development? The low specs of the last generation hardware? The closed online stores where patching and updating is a slower process?

2. What exactly do you (Frontier) consider a sufficient state on PC, which would make it feasible to start working on the console versions? Is it general performance? Further memory optimization? The amount of bugs fixed? Adding more content in order to make the experience more cohesive?

3. Seeing the progress of these 9 updates so far, when do you expect Odyssey to be in a state where you can comfortably start considering your options for consoles? Do you think it still takes one or two patches, or another nine? Does it depend on a technical milestone or something content-wise?

4. How realistic do you feel supporting last generation consoles for Odyssey? Do you seriously consider supporting the new generation only, or insist having Odyssey on last gen or nothing? Does developing new-gen versions (if applicable at all) further delay console development? Do you have any kind of roadmap for this? Do you not have development kits at all, and that's what prevents development in the first place?

TL;DR

I do think sharing information about the reasons and any kind of possible roadmap / schedule about console development would ease tensions within the console community. My personal two cents: I don't mind if I have to wait, say, until next autumn, if I do know how long it takes. The main thing here is information. Waiting hopelessly is much worse than waiting the same amount having a theoretical beacon placed somewhere on the calendar.
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This is well put and I think a lot of others would agree.

I’ll go further and say a ton of folks would be ok with less than what you’re asking but also agree we need a lot more than what we are not getting today.
 

dreampage

dreampage
I have my hopes up that we'll hear something right at the beginning of the year. As I work (at least in part) close to marketing, I know companies like to start the year with a bang, to create some early buzz, and right now Odyssey on consoles is one of the biggest topic around Elite. Publishing information wouldn't cost anything yet it would create attention and possibly some goodwill around the game, both of which it needs I think. So I personally will keep an eye on January for new info on this.
 

Pigletslastand

Pigletslastand
dreampage said:
I have my hopes up that we'll hear something right at the beginning of the year. As I work (at least in part) close to marketing, I know companies like to start the year with a bang, to create some early buzz, and right now Odyssey on consoles is one of the biggest topic around Elite. Publishing information wouldn't cost anything yet it would create attention and possibly some goodwill around the game, both of which it needs I think. So I personally will keep an eye on January for new info on this.
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Mate they dumped us into the holiday season with two critical bugs untouched. They are nowhere NEAR even being able to call whether they can ever successfully bring this to console or not.
 

CMDR KCalo

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dreampage said:
I have my hopes up that we'll hear something right at the beginning of the year. As I work (at least in part) close to marketing, I know companies like to start the year with a bang, to create some early buzz, and right now Odyssey on consoles is one of the biggest topic around Elite. Publishing information wouldn't cost anything yet it would create attention and possibly some goodwill around the game, both of which it needs I think. So I personally will keep an eye on January for new info on this.
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Would be awesome if we had some news, but I wouldn’t get my hopes up. I personally don’t think we’ll hear anything before March. That gives them two, maybe three, more updates before they decide what they can do with consoles.
 

[Cancelled Consoleer] boppa_

[Cancelled Consoleer] boppa_
dreampage said:
I have my hopes up that we'll hear something right at the beginning of the year. As I work (at least in part) close to marketing, I know companies like to start the year with a bang, to create some early buzz, and right now Odyssey on consoles is one of the biggest topic around Elite. Publishing information wouldn't cost anything yet it would create attention and possibly some goodwill around the game, both of which it needs I think. So I personally will keep an eye on January for new info on this.
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