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Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Fizzatron said:
Yes, because anyone who's going to do that is also going to leave a glowing review.

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As I said previously, the aggregate review was already 'mostly negative'.
Great tactics being employed here, especially in light of the later profit revisions and how they likely tie into the decision to cancel the console version. The term cut your nose off to spite your face comes to mind. OP admits they're enjoying the game but argues to leave a 'not recommended' review on steam. But it's all FDev's fault some think, and yes, repeating myself for the nth time, ultimately it's a self-inflicted situation but, repeating again for the nth time, I was/am willing to look past issues due to the COVID situation (which didn't only affect FDev) as long as Frontier worked hard to bring it up to speed, and thus far, I believe that they have. But some remain adamant and still believe this sort of thing actually helps, helps exactly who, I ask?
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Save yourself the time, I'm not going to bother reading so much text and replying an essay unlike others in this thread.
 

Shinji Ikari

Shinji Ikari
Fizzatron said:
What is the premise that you are trying to prove?
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Can someone be kind enough to post some of the evidence for ED being review bombed (to the extent of its aggregate review being deemed unreliable)?
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Remarkable attention span you have if four lines is 'so much text'.
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I reserve the bulk of my attention to other matters, disussing irrelevant tangents that don't interest me isn't one of them.
 

Riverside

Riverside
Fizzatron said:
Yes, because anyone who's going to do that is also going to leave a glowing review.

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Great tactics being employed here, especially in light of the later profit revisions and how they likely tie into the decision to cancel the console version. The term cut your nose off to spite your face comes to mind. OP admits they're enjoying the game but argues to leave a 'not recommended' review on steam. But it's all FDev's fault some think, and yes, repeating myself for the nth time, ultimately it's a self-inflicted situation but, repeating again for the nth time, I was/am willing to look past issues due to the COVID situation (which didn't only affect FDev) as long as Frontier worked hard to bring it up to speed, and thus far, I believe that they have. But some remain adamant and still believe this sort of thing actually helps, helps exactly who, I ask? Definitely not the console commanders, evidently.
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I agree the attitude doesn't help, but imo neither does glowing praise for mediocre or bad stuff.
 

CMDR DUANES

CMDR DUANES
Sunyavadin said:
Pretty sure if you look at Odyssey's review history all you will see that comes close to "review bombing" is a massive wave of negative reviews when it first dropped due to all the bugs and performance issues they've been trying to fix ever since. Which is perfectly reasonable given how many people had likely preordered it and will have been demanding refunds once it launched. Since then as I recall it's mostly sat at "mixed" and with good reason given how many players still have issues with it. Looking at it now, it's still there, so even if there is some kind of attempt at "review bombing", it's not noticeable without looking for it and doesn't really skew the at a glance info on the store page.
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Don't forget that these reviews are biased, as unhappy players are much more likely to go post something. I really enjoy EDO despite the bugs (I knew there would be bugs so I didn't care as I knew they would be fixed) and I never cared to go post a positive review: I simply play it. And I suspect most of those who are happy with the game behave the same, while angry players most of the time will massively express their views.
 

Terry Daniels

Terry Daniels
CMDR DUANES said:
and I never cared to go post a positive review
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I left a positive review for Elite Dangerous and a negative one for Odyssey (which I've not updated as I don't believe the DLC warrants a positive review). I also left a nice (but honest) review of Cyberpunk 2077, saying that I had faith CDPR could fix it. I have no such faith in Fdev now (4 years ago - yes).
 

CMDR DUANES

CMDR DUANES
Terry Daniels said:
I left a positive review for Elite Dangerous and a negative one for Odyssey (which I've not updated as I don't believe the DLC warrants a positive review). I also left a nice (but honest) review of Cyberpunk 2077, saying that I had faith CDPR could fix it. I have no such faith in Fdev now (4 years ago - yes).
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Pretending that an EDO review posted right when it first came out dosen't deserve an update today is pure dishonesty.
 

CMDR DUANES

CMDR DUANES
zimms said:
Performance and lighting being two big ones.
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Is that all? Performance has mostly been fixed. I'm back now to the FPS I had in Horizons (I have stats). Lightning, well at first I found it too dark but it was just a habit, I was used to EDH. I went back to Horizons a few days ago for the first time since EDO WAS releaseD and now that I'm used to EDO I actually found EDH to be too bright! If these were the main issues you had, I suggest you try EDO again.
 

zimms

zimms
CMDR DUANES said:
Is that all? Performance has mostly been fixed. I'm back now to the FPS I had in Horizons (I have stats). Lightning, well at first I found it too dark but it was just a habit, I was used to EDH. I went back to Horizons a few days ago for the first time since EDO WAS releaseD and now that I'm used to EDO I actually found EDH to be too bright! If these were the main issues you had, I suggest you try EDO again.
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And of course your opinion is only valid opinion in the whole world. If somebody doesn't think Odyssey is the best thing since sliced bread, it HAS to be hateful spite. No other possible explanation.

I didn't even write a negative review, I'm just surprised how you think that's sacrilege and could in no way be a genuine opinion.

Oh, and I call on the performance being "fixed" or that you get the exact same FPS in Odyssey as you did in Horizons in any kind of fair comparison. But that's pointless to discuss because at the end of the day you could still claim 10 FPS is perfectly fine for you (and yes, the number ten was an exaggeration here).
 

CMDR DUANES

CMDR DUANES
zimms said:
And of course your opinion is only valid opinion in the whole world. If somebody doesn't think Odyssey is the best thing since sliced bread, it HAS to be hateful spite. No other possible explanation.

I didn't even write a negative review, I'm just surprised how you think that's sacrilege and could in no way be a genuine opinion.

Oh, and I call on the performance being "fixed" or that you get the exact same FPS in Odyssey as you did in Horizons in any kind of fair comparison. But that's pointless to discuss because at the end of the day you could still claim 10 FPS is perfectly fine for you (and yes, the number ten was an exaggeration here).
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No, what I meant was exactly what you say: too dark or too bright is an opinion, not an issue.

Regarding perf, yes, I had big issues too, the game was basically unplayable for some time for everything planetary, which was what I was doing when EDO came out (I was incidentaly out there exploring). But I had anticipated that, back in the days: big update, covid disruption... So I don't deny the issues, I simply say that nowmost of it has been fixed and you can't hate a game for something that is not relevant anymore. At some point, some people have just decided they hate it and will never acknoledge any progress even though Frontier has been making big efforts to improve the product, which they did. But some (like a famous Latvian YTber who built his reputation vomiting on the game and is now trapped in hating it), will never admit it.
 

CMDR DUANES

CMDR DUANES
zimms said:
Positively. But if you compare it to EDH I'd say they compare negatively. Which was what was asked.
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Again, please tell us what was superior in EDH? Perf, not anymore except for walking... that you can't do in EDH. Brighter is better is your opinion, which we respect, but still, just an opinion. So what else? I don't say you are wrong or right, I really ask: what is better in EDH?
 

zimms

zimms
CMDR DUANES said:
No, what I meant was exactly what you say: too dark or too bright is an opinion, not an issue.

Regarding perf, yes, I had big issues too, the game was basically unplayable for some time for everything planetary, which was what I was doing when EDO came out (I was incidentaly out there exploring). But I had anticipated that, back in the days: big update, covid disruption... So I don't deny the issues, I simply say that nowmost of it has been fixed and you can't hate a game for something that is not relevant anymore. At some point, some people have just decided they hate it and will never acknoledge any progress even though Frontier has been making big efforts to improve the product, which they did. But some (like a famous Latvian YTber who built his reputation vomiting on the game and is now trapped in hating it), will never admit it.
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"Not recommend" is not a synonym for "hate". Glad performance is good for you. That's all that really counts in the end.
 
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