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I have taken that into account in previous replies, which you are ignoring, like many other questions and points I've made. However, the point of you saying it again is like pulling the uno card, really what is happening is that you are ignoring anything other than the legitimate negative feedback, which again, I have accounted and acknowledged directly and indirectly, multiple times, yet you continue to deny any possibility of anything else.
lol, the saying is that lies run sprints while the truth runs a marathon. It's been proven time and time again that first impressions last and getting that first impression in is crucial when trying to control a narrative. Your denials are looking more desperate the more you cling to repeating the same thing over and over.
Again, you are inisisting that review bombing isn't a thing.
Look at the list for video games... I mean, just look at it. There's so many they had to separate them by year! But we should trust your take on it, it just can't happen, oh no.
The saying 'kicking someone when they are down' has no basis in your world then?
But you yourself acknowledge the reality of "5th columning", however, it's impossible it could apply in any instance regarding Elite. Sure... Must... keep... denying...
"Let me reframe the situation so it suits the narrative", and just repeat again, stick to the narrative at all costs, pure deflection.
I like how you think that any of this is a gotcha or negates what I've been saying, with evidence of such phenomena to back it up, but you just are "nope, doesn't apply".
No logical motivation now, haha.
Your narrative, so again, I can see why you try to dismiss it.
Like I said, you choose to see it your way but your opinion isn't fact, and the facts of the matter don't align with your opinion, let's see what Harvard Business Review has to say:
Did WFH Hurt the Video Game Industry?
The video game industry was better prepared than most to make the switch to remote work. Even so, researchers found that companies that went remote during the pandemic suffered more delays than those that managed to keep working in offices. Why? Weak ties — or casual relationships — suffered in...
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Well, what have you to say now? Let me guess, "I reject your reality and replace it with my own, also... FDev baaaaad."Harvard Business Review said:
O wise one, you come across so sure, please let me quote: Fools are full of confidence and geniuses are full of doubt. That is the problem with this world.
Again, I tackled the truth that some of the damage was self-inflicted, please continue to ignore it, like reality.
Literally? I'm literally shaking right now. You're cracking me up.
Do you read my replies?
Who is this group of people that you seem so confident in knowing how they react and think so well, and by default, represent?
I think you've lost the plot. So now you trying to say that those who post positive reviews are lying? Please, it's ok. No need to answer that. I think there's been enough rambling, don't you?
All the best mate.
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Hahah, I know who you're replying to - he's the only person on the forums I have on ignore - so can safely say you're just punishing your keyboard for naught.
No you haven't. You haven't done any of that.
1. You have failed to show any motivation to review bomb odysesy.
You have failed this because
A. it was already being negatively reviewed by players for legitimate product related reasons.
B. It doesn't make any sense for this conspiracy to exist and totally ignore the base game
2. The idea of a review bomb has to do with negatively reviewing something based on tangential or unrelated reasons to the thing being reviewed.You have failed to show the negative review of odyssey is the result of bombing because there were and still are numerous actual product reasons for a negative experience to exist. This is not a matter of reviewing a game negatively because the developer made racist comments, or was shown to say bad things about some group of people or supports some cause that isn't in favor. That's not what has driven the negative reviews of odyssey.
Never have I stated that review bombing isn't a thing. I said it doesn't exist here. In the context of odyssey. Because review bombing isn't what is happening. A horrible launch happened to a dlc that disappointed much if not most of the playerbase. And while that has tapered due to 11 updates over the last 9 months, the improvement is far less in magnitude than the initial failure, and so there is much less of a swing back in sentiment.
The only person in denial about the odyssey review state is you. You think actual players aren't responsible for reviewing it negetaively. They are responsible for nearly all of them. Could some non-players have taken the time to buy the game and make a review just to add to the negativity. It's not impossible. But it's inconsequential. Players responded harshly because the launch required that kind of response.
If i had to buy a ticket to gain entry to a place to kick someone who's already in the process of being kicked then no. I dont believe many people would take up that offer.
They would just watch from outside.
The kind of piling on from unrelated people going all mob mentality happens in places where the cost of entry is 0. The more hoops you put in front of them the more they rapidly fall off. There is no big motivation for outside forces to do what you think they might be doing. People simply do not care about elite dangerous that much. This isn't fortnight or god of war or some other hugely popular game crawling with 13 year olds.
No i didn't. I specifically said i was being hyperbolic about 5th columning within fdev in response to a joke question posed that i was responding to.
5th columning certainly exists, but in this context, the term would imply that there are players who exist just to undermine the playerbase.
Instead, what you have is players who have become disenchanted with the game. They grow to hate that they aren't enjoying it anymore and attack others who have not yet grown to hate it too.
That's not 5th columning though, they're not agents from an external group, infiltrating and undermining. They're poisoned players of the game's own making.
I gave specific reasons why your conspiracy doesn't apply. you have given no reason why it doesn't.
What motivation is there to undermine something the players are already attacking ...extremely?
What motivation would there be to ignore the base game if their goal was to hurt elite?
there is none, you have none. Your conspiracy rests on this idea that they'll do it anyway, go thru the hoops to be able to review and waste their efforst on something already being negatively reviewed because they hate the game that hard. It's devoid of any purpose and unnecessary.
Saying haha doesn't explain their motivation.
Your conspiracy is not necessary to exist. The dlc would have been heavily negatively reviewed even if the entire population of the earth was eliminated except for elite dangerous players.
What is your goal with it? to try and say that the players actually like the dlc and we're all just being tricked into thinking it was bad and most players still think it's bad and that it's really not bad?
It's not that i'm dismissing your conspiracy because it's my narrative, you have no basis for yours. The only way it means anything is if your point is players were not a majority displeased with odyssey. Which simply doesn't reflect reality.
Like I said, you choose to see it your way but your opinion isn't fact, and the facts of the matter don't align with your opinion, let's see what Harvard Business Review has to say:
Did WFH Hurt the Video Game Industry?
The video game industry was better prepared than most to make the switch to remote work. Even so, researchers found that companies that went remote during the pandemic suffered more delays than those that managed to keep working in offices. Why? Weak ties — or casual relationships — suffered in...
Well, what have you to say now? Let me guess, "I reject your reality and replace it with my own, also... FDev baaaaad."
No, that's not what i said. Covid had been going on for years at the point of odysseys release. It wasn't a surprise. If development delay occured, it had been long known and would have been planned for. Nothing about covid or remote work is unexpected at this point and hasn't for a long time. They do not count as mitigating factors for odyssey's release.
A delay due to working remotely doesn't cause you to release something when it's not finished. Remote working doesn't cause you to produce bad code, introduce errors or not be aware of what state your code is in. It might slow down progress, but it doesn't do anything that happened during the launch of odyssey.
That's why i dismissed your mitigating factors. It has nothing to do with odysseys problems. It would have had to do with delaying the release of odyssey. But that too was already something factored in. Things were already delayed due to that.
Not some. It was all self inflicted. Odyssey didn't need to launch unfinished. That was a choice. Odyssey obviously had much more major issues going on than simple delays, resulting in not just the initial release delays scheduled in, but then 9+ months of additional work that still failed to get it to where they wanted it. All from choices made, not outside influences out of their control. And the players have experienced all this and have voiced their reply. This is all self inflicted. This is not odyssey being a victim of bad actors outside of the game.
We have a cause and effect based in reality. Your conspiracy is not necessary and requires pretending a lot of things were done out of some intense hatred for the game. The dlc would still be negatively reviewed without your conspiracy.
I'm not sure what you're trying to imply by thinking it exists. Is your goal to imagine that there's a huge majority of players who dont agree with the review and that they're just unwilling to make a review? are they being held against their will and not allowed to speak? What's the point with it?
You didn't make any replies in reference to that snippet. Players have lost confidence in fdev delivering on things they've said they'll do or have started. So they default to assuming it wont happen or if something is implemented unfinished, it'll stay that way.
There was no rebuttal made to that. It's not like they're non-players undermining the game. They're players doomsaying as a coping mechanism for disappointment and lowered expectations. It's been a mainstay since the solo (edit: offline) promise was retconned.
The context is the naysaying doomsayers. We know how they react because their label is specifically in reference to how they react. You're a doomsayer because you go to doom whenever there's a choice.
They're not going to be positive about stuff. Then they wouldn't be a doomsayer. That's how labels work.
No, the implication that was being made by you is that we should as players post positive reviews regardless of the product because these intermediary steps are needed to get to the end.
That's the lying part. Because in this case this intermediary step is considered to be garbage. And regardless of how integral it may be to reaching the end, it's the correct thing to do to review it as such if it is. If that makes it impossible to ever reach the end, then that's how it should be. The end we were going to be given would have likely not be been the end we wanted anyway, because it's unlikely that if a path is diverging between what players want and what is being produced, that it would magically become better later.
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Of course they are.
But that is no more news than that FDev are a company not a charity or other not for profit organisation, it was a lot of words for something so obvious, even a lot of words if you were trying to make it sound like running a business was something sinister.
That explains a lot.
I was thinking more about people who somehow manage to research something worthy of a thesis before enrolling (I have heard of two such cases in mathematics).
I don't know if you're being cheeky or not, but you get a like anyway lol!
Not sure what that is supposed to mean. Masters are pretty much always either one or two years in the EU (with the exception of some specialities).
That's pretty much not a thing for EQF level 7. It happens, sometimes, in EQF level 8 (PhD and such) but that's a whole other thing.
A thesis on EQF lvl7 is typically only 20-30 ECTS anyway, so about 500 hours. A doctoral thesis doesn't have an ECTS rating, but usually is in the range of 6000-8000 hours.
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That's not the case where I live, hence the comment.
Ah, pretty interesting. Might I ask where you live?
Cheers (and hope you find a haircut that works for you).
the point isn't just that they are a business after the bottom line, it's that this is the most obvious motivation for why there was an info blackout and why the decision to tell everyone of console Odyssey being cancelled was delayed until the impact to sales was minimized.
that's the conspiracy. not that business's aren't self serving most of the time.
It takes at least two, people or groups, to be a conspiracy. So who were FDev conspiring with?
Cheers (and hope you find a haircut that works for you).
Lol!
The dark wheel obviously
Tinfoil hat engaged
Chris Roberts, who agreed to give them a 10% cut of all ship sales to former ED players, tripling their income overnight
It's simple,
EDO won't come to end of life hardware, Why would it ?
EDO won't come to end of life hardware, Why would it ?
Not to nextgen either. And if it gets very quiet again PC will suddenly find itself out in the cold without a helmet either.