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Raxiel

Raxiel
Ralph Vargr said:
And, the UI.
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It's an opinion, and you're entitled to yours, but my opinion is that the current Odyssey UI is better than Horizons.
Horizons UI isn't good, it was just familiar. The UI that odyssey launched with included some glaring issues that rightly got dumped on, but there was potential there. In the months that followed launch the issues have been fixed, and what we have now has a much better flow than Horizons once you get to know it.
 

Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Raxiel said:
It's an opinion, and you're entitled to yours, but my opinion is that the current Odyssey UI is better than Horizons.
Horizons UI isn't good, it was just familiar. The UI that odyssey launched with included some glaring issues that rightly got dumped on, but there was potential there. In the months that followed launch the issues have been fixed, and what we have now has a much better flow than Horizons once you get to know it.
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Have you ever heard of type ratings on aircraft? They don't make changes to type certifications lightly, for just that reason.

I started flying RL aircraft in 1963. Additionally, I'm naturally left-handed, and was forced, painfully, to use my right hand for everything.

I do not like flying an IPad.
 

Fizzatron

Fizzatron
zimms said:
And of course your opinion is only valid opinion in the whole world. If somebody doesn't think Odyssey is the best thing since sliced bread, it HAS to be hateful spite. No other possible explanation.
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Is it so wrong to ask someone to reassess their own opinion? Or would you prefer to just continue running the same program until a new one is loaded an executed?
 

NikoKäsi

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Is there really some argument over whether the EDO Steam reviews are valid? That's pretty absurd. They are made by players who own the game, just like any other game on Steam ever and they reflect the opinions of those people who own the game in Steam. Simple as that.
To say that these people haven't updated their reviews (while probably assuming their minds have changed on a scale large enough to matter) is a moot point anyway. This is why Steam has a "recent reviews" category displayed even before the "overall reviews". It's mixed now, which is still a sign of serious issues with the product (as expressed by it's users) and something I wouldn't consider buying be it any game.
Feel free to check No Man's Sky reviews on Steam - I'm pretty sure it started off similarly as EDO but has clearly now turned people around.
 

CMDR DUANES

CMDR DUANES
zimms said:
Yeah, that will convince people that you represent the reasonable side of the argument. (y)
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Truth is, there are two kind of players on Elite: those who look for a game and those who look for an experience. Those who look for a game want content and game mechanics, and will always be frustrated by the reality of Elite, while those who look for an experience will never really understand why the former complain all the time. That dosen't mean they don't see the issues or long for the improvements to be made, simply, they don't bother too much thinking about it because to them, simply flying in their ship, land somewhere, walk around an abandonned settlement, take a few shots, , take a tour on the SRV, get back to the station, land, go to the bar, watch the view through the bay window, well, all there mundane things are enough to make them happy, they simply like being "part of", "in" that universe. Gamers don't understand that, so communication between the two groups is basically impossible, which dosen't mean one is right and one is wrong, no: they simply have different expectations.

But the thing is, Frontier clearly sees Elite as an experience, the famous "personal narratives", so my friendly advice to those who want a game would be to accept that reality and simply move on, because they will probably never be happy playing Elite (unless Frontier changes course and adds scenarios DLCs in the future, which might happen but it won't be tomorrow...).
 
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Sunyavadin

Sunyavadin
CMDR DUANES said:
Truth is, there are two kind of players on Elite: those who look for a game and those who look for an experience. Those who look for a game want content and game mechanics, and will always be frustrated by the reality of Elite, while those who look for an experience will never really understand why the former complain all the time. That dosen't mean they don't see the issues or long for the improvements to be made, simply, they don't bother too much thinking about it because to them, simply flying in their ship, land somewhere, walk around an abandonned settlement, take a few shots, , take a tour on the SRV, get back to the station, land, go to the bar, watch the view through the bay window, well, all there mundane things are enough to make them happy, they simply like being "part of", "in" that universe. Gamers don't understand that, so communication between the two groups is basically impossible, which dosen't mean one is right and one is wrong, no: they simply have different expectations.

But the thing is, Frontier clearly sees Elite as an experience, the famous "personal narratives", so my friendly advice to those who want a game would be to accept that reality and simply move on, because they will probably never be happy playing Elite (unless Frontier changes course and adds scenarios DLCs in the future, which might happen but it won't be tomorrow...).
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Funny, because in my experience the most complaints I see about ED are people who dislike the icnreasing "gameifiication" of it. Like the seeming need to turn everything into some kind of minigame regardless of it narratively fitting within the experience, etc. Which rather suggests a more balanced perspective that Frontier are trying to do it all and not succeeding as well as they could at a lot of that, displeasing both kinds of players when any particular thing stands out as detracting from their preferred type of experience.
 

Gauntlet

Gauntlet
And then there are the niche of players who's experience based play has also been royally shafted by the Odyssey planet gen, so no matter how well optimised Odyssey may or may not become, 90% of my gameplay ceases to exist in Odyssey anyway.

That's why my only hope now is that Horizons remains available for PC for the foreseeable
 

Fizzatron

Fizzatron
Sorry, didn't realize until now that you were in my ignore list.

zimms said:
No, luckily I never said that.
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I just took your logic and applied it in reverse. And you were the one putting words in my mouth.

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the point isn't just that they are a business after the bottom line, it's that this is the most obvious motivation for why there was an info blackout and why the decision to tell everyone of console Odyssey being cancelled was delayed until the impact to sales was minimized. Bizarre. Most...
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zimms said:
And of course your opinion is only valid opinion in the whole world. If somebody doesn't think Odyssey is the best thing since sliced bread, it HAS to be hateful spite. No other possible explanation.
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I never said that at all. At what point do I have to stop having to repeat it, and who is saying that I am? I still stand by my response, what is wrong with asking someone to reassess their opinion? Especially in light of new information?

zimms said:
I just think it's possible that some people would still review it negatively for valid reasons other than simple hate.
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I think, and stated multiple times, that it's possible, and probable, too, I'm not sure what your point is? Because you're actually agreeing with me.

zimms said:
Yeah, that will convince people that you represent the reasonable side of the argument. (y)
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I was referencing from a previous exchange with the poster:

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the point isn't just that they are a business after the bottom line, it's that this is the most obvious motivation for why there was an info blackout and why the decision to tell everyone of console Odyssey being cancelled was delayed until the impact to sales was minimized. Bizarre. Most...
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Or do you think it's reasonable to be expected to answer OP's question in less than four lines*? Make your own mind up as to who's reasonable or not; either or, or both. o7

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Ralph Vargr

Ralph Vargr
Fizzatron said:
Sorry, didn't realize until now that you were in my ignore list.


I just took your logic and applied it in reverse. And you were the one putting words in my mouth.

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the point isn't just that they are a business after the bottom line, it's that this is the most obvious motivation for why there was an info blackout and why the decision to tell everyone of console Odyssey being cancelled was delayed until the impact to sales was minimized. Bizarre. Most...
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I never said that at all. At what point do I have to stop having to repeat it, and who is saying that I am? I still stand by my response, what is wrong with asking someone to reassess their opinion? Especially in light of new information?


I think, and stated multiple times, that it's possible, and probable, too, I'm not sure what your point is? Because you're actually agreeing with me.


I was referencing from a previous exchange with the poster:

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the point isn't just that they are a business after the bottom line, it's that this is the most obvious motivation for why there was an info blackout and why the decision to tell everyone of console Odyssey being cancelled was delayed until the impact to sales was minimized. Bizarre. Most...
forums.frontier.co.uk forums.frontier.co.uk

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Or do you think it's reasonable to be expected to answer OP's question in less than four lines*? Make your own mind up as to who's reasonable or not; either or, or both. o7

*yes, it's five in the screencap.
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Try a word by word Tireless Rebutter method. :)
 

amigacooke

amigacooke
CMDR DUANES said:
Truth is, there are two kind of players on Elite: those who look for a game and those who look for an experience. Those who look for a game want content and game mechanics, and will always be frustrated by the reality of Elite, while those who look for an experience will never really understand why the former complain all the time. That dosen't mean they don't see the issues or long for the improvements to be made, simply, they don't bother too much thinking about it because to them, simply flying in their ship, land somewhere, walk around an abandonned settlement, take a few shots, , take a tour on the SRV, get back to the station, land, go to the bar, watch the view through the bay window, well, all there mundane things are enough to make them happy, they simply like being "part of", "in" that universe. Gamers don't understand that, so communication between the two groups is basically impossible, which dosen't mean one is right and one is wrong, no: they simply have different expectations.

But the thing is, Frontier clearly sees Elite as an experience, the famous "personal narratives", so my friendly advice to those who want a game would be to accept that reality and simply move on, because they will probably never be happy playing Elite (unless Frontier changes course and adds scenarios DLCs in the future, which might happen but it won't be tomorrow...).
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I always enjoy a post like this. After explaining that neither expectation is right or wrong, the post finishes by explaining precisely why one of the expectations is wrong :)
 
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