Core Dynamics not making anymore Eagles

Mephane · Apr 22, 2015

Oliver Soos said:
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Eagle_Mk._II

From the Wiki : "Core Dynamics are no longer building these ships, but do still provide parts and servicing due to their popularity."

In the odd instance when my Eagle goes pop, where does the Space station purchase them from if they aren't being made anymore????
I've bought like 10 since i've been playing this game....
.... I reckon they should still be manufactured.....

weird....

Imho, FD should never have written that piece of text, and should retcon it out. It makes no sense when confronted with the ingame reality and is repeatedly abused by players to defend the Eagle's poor state in the big picture of fighter balancing.

Ydiss · Apr 22, 2015

It's only immersion breaking if you know how many exist in the galaxy. It's no less immersion breaking than any other ship being infinitely replaced. Even if they're not stocked at the station you are in.

Sometimes, game play or lore trumps reality.

Quineloe · Apr 22, 2015

bamber said:
MkIII ford escorts arent made anymore but you can still get them

ford escorts aren't used as combat vehicles and get destroyed by the thousands every day. Clear case lf LORELOL here

Sanderson · Apr 22, 2015

Oliver Soos said:
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Eagle_Mk._II

From the Wiki : "Core Dynamics are no longer building these ships, but do still provide parts and servicing due to their popularity."

In the odd instance when my Eagle goes pop, where does the Space station purchase them from if they aren't being made anymore????
I've bought like 10 since i've been playing this game....
.... I reckon they should still be manufactured.....

weird....

Magic? Why not, the rst of ED runs on it

Ydiss · Apr 22, 2015

Quineloe said:
ford escorts aren't used as combat vehicles and get destroyed by the thousands every day. Clear case lf LORELOL here

Again, if this is immersion breaking for you then it's because you allow it to be.

You actually don't know if "thousands" are destroyed every day. You assume this. You don't know how many Eagles were built. You assume this.

It's possible that the supply is enough to meet the demand over a millenia. Or only enough to last a day. No one knows. To find this immersion breaking requires you to take assumptions, not based on facts.

Not necessarily directed at you but to anyone who feels this minor item of lore spoils their game. It's just trying hard to find cause for complaint.

Quineloe · Apr 22, 2015

Community goal combat bonds 3 billion 400 million credits earned within 2 days. There's a big difference between an educated guess (me) and wild speculation (what you think I am doing).

I probably destroyed hundreds of Eagles by myself.

Ydiss · Apr 22, 2015

Quineloe said:
Community goal combat bonds 3 billion 400 million credits earned within 2 days. There's a big difference between an educated guess (me) and wild speculation (what you think I am doing).

I probably destroyed hundreds of Eagles by myself.

I heard the Eagle stocks were up to 50 trillion before they ceased construction. Best get to work if you want to see them fully depleted. Do you have the latest figures on Sidewinder units built per day? I've heard it's 100,000. Hope that's enough for all those thousands that get blown up every minute.

And let's hope they make it so you lose your ship if you re-spawn in a station that doesn't stock it. It'll be good for realism.

This post is predominantly nonsense. But is demonstrative all the more for it.

This isn't even a matter of needing to suspend disbelief. It's actively seeking to break belief when you have none of the facts and going out of your way to assume disbelief despite the lack of facts and knowing the fact that it makes you feel worse about something.

I'm sure there's a term for that.

Morbad · Apr 22, 2015

Oliver Soos said:
In the odd instance when my Eagle goes pop, where does the Space station purchase them from if they aren't being made anymore????

The used Eagle lot.

Oliver Soos said:
yeah, but like Midian states probably thousands get destroyed and they are still here with us.

They probably built thousands a day for a hundred years.

Without some deliberate drive to scrap them all, they could be common for a very long time, despite high attrition. Rebuilds and knock offs could extend this even further.

Quineloe said:
Community goal combat bonds 3 billion 400 million credits earned within 2 days. There's a big difference between an educated guess (me) and wild speculation (what you think I am doing).

I probably destroyed hundreds of Eagles by myself.

What's the total population of inhabited space? Quadrillions?

DrakeAurum · Apr 22, 2015

Well, it says they still make parts for them. Maybe they make all the parts, and people buy them for self-assembly, like kit-cars.

Just don't buy one from an outfitter that has a big stack of parts in the corner marked "bits left over".

Chazzie · Apr 22, 2015

Oliver Soos said:
http://elite-dangerous.wikia.com/wiki/Eagle_Mk._II

From the Wiki : "Core Dynamics are no longer building these ships, but do still provide parts and servicing due to their popularity."

In the odd instance when my Eagle goes pop, where does the Space station purchase them from if they aren't being made anymore????
I've bought like 10 since i've been playing this game....
.... I reckon they should still be manufactured.....

weird....

Funny, I'd noticed that along time ago - I'd have to admit that it's a little far fetched to assume there is an endless supply if they are no longer manufacturing them.

Might be cool if FD remove that line in the future though.

Lord_Crazy · Apr 22, 2015

Commander Filip said:
Reported for racism. Enjoy ban.

Racism is about race( although I don't like that word). Chinese does not only relates to people but anything from China. And China is famous worldwide for not applying zealously intellectual property law and manufacturing and supplying a lot of counterfeited goods. So how is talking about Chinese knock-offs racist? Because it implies that goods are mainly coming from China? By the same token relating corn and the US is racist right?

Quineloe · Apr 22, 2015

Morbad said:
What's the total population of inhabited space? Quadrillions?

You go ahead and count. Question is, which information is correct, system info population or galaxy map info?

Troa Barton · Apr 22, 2015

Lord_Crazy said:
Racism is about race( although I don't like that word). Chinese does not only relates to people but anything from China. And China is famous worldwide for not applying zealously intellectual property law and manufacturing and supplying a lot of counterfeited goods. So how is talking about Chinese knock-offs racist? Because it implies that goods are mainly coming from China? By the same token relating corn and the US is racist right?

Woah now. Let's not bring corn into this.

Loskene · Apr 22, 2015

I figure that core dynamics doesn't make them anymore, but it's such a ubiquitous design that plenty of local workshops still churn them out.

BlackLegionnaire · Apr 22, 2015

Ydiss said:
Again, if this is immersion breaking for you then it's because you allow it to be.

You actually don't know if "thousands" are destroyed every day. You assume this. You don't know how many Eagles were built. You assume this.

It's possible that the supply is enough to meet the demand over a millenia. Or only enough to last a day. No one knows. To find this immersion breaking requires you to take assumptions, not based on facts.

Not necessarily directed at you but to anyone who feels this minor item of lore spoils their game. It's just trying hard to find cause for complaint.

I actually do, because all I do all day (at the moment) is bounty hunt, IN AN EAGLE no less! lol

and after a few hours which turn into weeks....I can safely say that I, on my own have taken down hundreds of NPC's Eagles....
I would be confident in saying that everyday us CMDR's take down thousands!

Ydiss · Apr 22, 2015

Quineloe said:
You go ahead and count. Question is, which information is correct, system info population or galaxy map info?

I think that's the point. You'd need to count to know one fact that doesn't even consist of one of the vital facts you'd need to know. And you need two facts to be sure.

How many exist. How many are destroyed.

You have a choice. Assume the former is too low to support the latter. Or assume the opposite.

Given we play in a galaxy where civilisation has expanded over thousands of systems, I find it easy to assume the latter. But, more importantly, if the former annoyed me, I have absolutely no way of knowing if it's true.

I get the point being made. It's unrealistic enough that we can just get infinite ships (and we know this to be fact because it's a rule of the game). But feeling any kind of negative emotion or feeling it needs to change (without actually considering if any change would be worth it, given the hypocrisy of the situation) is the very definition of looking for something to complain about.

If they changed the text, it'd still be no less daft If you care about reality so much that you don't like things you have no facts about.

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Oliver Soos said:
I actually do, because all I do all day (at the moment) is bounty hunt, IN AN EAGLE no less! lol and after a few hours which turn into weeks....I can safely say that I, on my own have taken down hundreds of NPC's Eagles....
I would be confident in saying that everyday us CMDR's take down thousands!

How many Eagles exist in the galaxy?

talshiarr · Apr 22, 2015

Somewhere, some place, there is a colossal graveyard of surplus, broken-down eagles. Some planet probably has an entire ring system that consists of nothing but Eagle carcasses.

Whoamus · Apr 22, 2015

Probably over produced and sitting in lots on those rocky planets, just like cars today.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-05-16/where-worlds-unsold-cars-go-die

Vasious · Apr 22, 2015

I thought the key part was that Core Dynamics were no longer producing them, but still supporting them with parts.
Doesn't mean that Clones aren't being produced if there is a demand.
Core Dynamics just shifted their production to the F63 Condor as that was what the Federal Navy wanted as a replacement and no doubt CD has the exclusive contract to supply the F63 so it will be more profitable.
AND
The Core Dynamics Eagle Mk.II is a Clone of the Falcoun De Lacey Eagle Mk.I to begin with assuming that canon hasn't changed

Of course I don't disagree with the massive stockpiles premise either, but more think that it is just an indication that the Eagle was replaced by both Navies own short range fighters.

It would be nice if we could have in game the Eagles Mk.I, Mk.II and Mk.III (Gutamaya Clone) even if the same stats just the cosmetic differences.

Elpapo · Apr 22, 2015

They bulid more eagles than stars on milky way... as its sounds its lore friendly. If that much was bulid, then its no needed to bulid even more? But for Eagle, spare parts are like food for humans, so thats why core Dynamo still provide service.