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I don't think anybody claimed that using the ADS was exploring. It was a tool that facilitated exploration.
Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?
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I don't think anybody claimed that using the ADS was exploring. It was a tool that facilitated exploration.
Nope. I am talking about the system and galaxy map. The way I use them constitutes gameplay.
I agree.
I don't see that. I see the FSS as core gameplay as well as piloting my ship, as well as using the system and galaxy maps. I don't mind that they take me out of the game, I see them using a direct neural interface which takes over your senses. You still in the cockpit, you just can't see it.
It's just a fundamental difference in the way we view things which is purely subjective. But to use a mini-game as a means to call it crap is just wrong. There is nothing wrong with mini-games and nothing wrong with this one except that you don't like it.
If we had our preferred probes system, that would equally be a mini-game. Just one you and I would both prefer over the old and new.
Then why did a certain couple of people use it in a derogatory way to describe the FSS? Why even mention it at all.
All of the work the ADS used to reveal?
That's your responsability to show.
1º Why is that relevant?
2º I was the one who said movement was irrelevant because exploration doesn't necessarily involve movement, however, being able to move while using either of them is a good thing and the decreased time spent using either of them means more time to actually go and see the planet for yourself.
3º What comment and in what sense?
Subjective opinion. As valid as anyone else's, but it doesn't alter the fact that for other people it's immersion breaking.
Agreed. It's subjective. Which is why it's perfectly okay for people to say they don't like it because it's a minigame - not liking minigames is a valid opinion.
So no, calling the FSS crap because it's a minigame isn't wrong, it's just an opinion. Try to remember the difference.
Yes, despite my best efforts to design something that isn't, firing long-range probes on intercept trajectories to distant bodies would require a new interface and constitute a minigame. However, in my opinion, the FSS's flaws aren't limited to it being an out-of-cockpit minigame - the requirement to be stationary to use it is a critical flaw, as is the fact that the mechanics are simplistic and repetitive. The lack of a (controlled) roll axis for the display further separates it from the core experience of flying a spaceship. The long-range probe system could address these problems with a little effort - more integration means it feels less like a minigame (like the interdiction mechanic or core mining).
I almost wet my pants laughing when I read that
Best post ever!It's like going home in anticipation of being hit in the nards with a hammer.
Now that's just mean...
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Never said otherwise.
It's a mini-game they don't like. They are perfectly happy with other mini-games, jus not this one. So sayings crap just because it's a mini-game is wrong. Saying it's a mini-game that they don't like is perfectly valid.
All can controls in a computer game are simplistic and repetitive. Can't get away from that unfortunately. Even the probe mini-game of ours would still have repetitive controls. Unless you want to change up the controls everytime we use it which would get on everyone's nerves.
Never said that was the case.
No it's not.
It's not but neither is the fact you can move while using the ADS. It's the fact that can use it while not moving is the point.
I disagree.
In the sense that was written and what that this conversation has been about that you butted into, which you are allowed to as it's a forum, but I suggest you find out what it's about first. You seem to have a habit of doing that.
It is impossible to reach an agreement. We've also all stated our opinions several times. There is only one logical conclusion.
The endless circular arguments are getting tiresome. The simple fact is that the FSS debacle has completely and utterly ruined the game for many of us and FD knew that would be the outcome even before the imposition of the FSS. We thought they were going to 'improve' exploration, not flat out troll us after all this time.
Hello Commanders,
I wanted to drop in and let you that we have been reading your comments and are aware how some of you feel about the FSS.
When first designing the FSS, we wanted to ensure that it was engaging for as many different player types as possible, but also understood that it would not be possible to design a system that would work for everyone. Before the FSS was implemented, we also collected feedback from discussions on the forum and the beta.
Today, in its current iteration, we’re happy with how the FSS operates and feel that reinstating the ADS would be detrimental to the experience of exploration as it is now.
At the current time, we won’t be making changes to the core of the FSS. While we understand that this may be disappointing for some of you, we would like to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and feedback with us.
I wanted to drop in and let you that we have been reading your comments and are aware how some of you feel about the FSS.
When first designing the FSS, we wanted to ensure that it was engaging for as many different player types as possible, but also understood that it would not be possible to design a system that would work for everyone. Before the FSS was implemented, we also collected feedback from discussions on the forum and the beta.
Today, in its current iteration, we’re happy with how the FSS operates and feel that reinstating the ADS would be detrimental to the experience of exploration as it is now.
At the current time, we won’t be making changes to the core of the FSS. While we understand that this may be disappointing for some of you, we would like to thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and feedback with us.
Thank you Adam, great to have this confirmed
Not changing the core is perfectly fine for me. But would you consider:
1. Removing the "throttle to zero" requirement?
We know how to use our ships, being able to move while scanning would be so helpful. (The FSS can handle motion. You can speed up your ship, then set the throttle to zero and use the FSS. The ship still takes a while to decelerate, things in the FSS are moving, but you can use it. )
Also, it would finally give some use to exploration in multi-crew.
2. Implement a "snap to target" function.
When your marker is close enough to a target (range can be adjusted in settings) and the speed you apply to the marker is low enough (speed limit can be adjusted in settings), the FSS automatically locks the marker to the object and follows it.
As positive sidenote, this would not only help when trying to catch moving objects, but also would make the FSS generally a bit more enjoyable to use.
3. Adding the ships radar into the FSS.
I would appreciate it so much, if i could see what's happening around my ship while i am scanning.
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Thank You for clarification. Glad to have that out of the way.
My question remains though, will we be getting more exploration-dedicated modules?
It really feels weird flying beginner ship with top tier exploration gear. There is no progression nor variety in exploration.
Thanks for the response, but this is the same basic message that was provided before the changes to beta that clearly demonstrate that it is perfectly possible to retain the complete functionality of the ADS.
So what's stopping you? In what specific way is retaining the ADS detrimental? Green gas giants?
Long standing, well respected players have quit over this, nobody would have quit if it had been retained, and nobody is going to quit if you put it back in.
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Ahh well. So much for that.
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