Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

[Darkfyre99]

C'mon Dark, the 'wait for the scan' was replaced by 'press the zoom button', not the melons

What I find interesting is that the 'fun' ways to use the new tools involve not using them the way FDev want us to.

Par for the course of this game.

Frontier expects (not wants) us to use things they add in one way. We turn around and use them in a way they did not expect. Emergent game play at its finest.

BTW, the “throttling down” was not replaced solely by “press the zoom button.” We also have the “fly by the planet close enough to resolve it, threading the needle between slow enough to resolve and fast enough to avoid capture without navigation data”, and “majestically flying past the planet, threading the needle between close enough to probe the planet, but far enough away to quickly escape.”

Bonus points if you can combine both while still getting the efficiency bonus.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Par for the course of this game.

Frontier expects (not wants) us to use things they add in one way. We turn around and use them in a way they did not expect. Emergent game play at its finest.

BTW, the “throttling down” was not replaced solely by “press the zoom button.” We also have the “fly by the planet close enough to resolve it, threading the needle between slow enough to resolve and fast enough to avoid capture without navigation data”, and “majestically flying past the planet, threading the needle between close enough to probe the planet, but far enough away to quickly escape.”

Bonus points if you can combine both while still getting the efficiency bonus.

I find I do much more kinetic braking than I used to

The DSS screen is so horribly jerky for me that I have enough trouble hitting bodies that are stationary. Moving ones would be impossible.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Q.E.D

The corollary specious statement is that "It is the same 5 people that pop up to tell everyone that doesn't like it that they are wrong and that the FSS is unassailably magnificent". I'm sure there are more than 5 really, they just aren't as vocal

From the top of my head, you, me, Riverside, Enderby, Rlsg, DogMagdurdock (I can't remember the correct spelling), Allitnil, Ziggy Stardust and I'm very sure I could double or triple that if I bothered to scan this and previous threads.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

From the top of my head, you, me, Riverside, Enderby, Rlsg, DogMagdurdock (I can't remember the correct spelling), Allitnil, Ziggy Stardust and I'm very sure I could double or triple that if I bothered to scan this and previous threads.

And Ralph OFC, thanks for the rep.

 

[Darkfyre99]

Statement 1: Sucks to be the one of the 10 people who don't like the FSS.

Statement 2: We read the same 10 people posting the same thing over and over for months and we've decided that it sucks to be you 10 people.

It was 16 people for statement One IIRC, if the responses to the ur-example of these kinds of threads was to be believed, out of the 97 people who had participated of that thread at the time when way too much free time on my hands while waiting for someone at the doctor combined with morbid curiosity.

Statement two, OTOH, seems to be around half that. Can’t say for certain, because thanks to recent drama, I haven’t had much time to participate on the forums at all, let alone indulge my curiosity, morbid or otherwise.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Which returning to this situation would simply be an optional update... Your analogy is completely out of touch with the actual situation at hand.

Get over it. I’m not changing it for you. It stands as-is.

ADS only fills the sys-map, FSS does that and level 3 scans.

So? Still serves the same purpose. So it gives you more information. Name me one actual scientist that would say “I want to know less about this thing I just discovered.”

Discovery is not a single action and in this game constitutes different activities.

We seem to be operating under different definitions here.

 

[lenna]

So? Still serves the same purpose.

Nope it does not - the ADS marks objects for "true" discovery via other means, the FSS is a mandrolic arm-chair back-seat spotting tool.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Get over it. I’m not changing it for you. It stands as-is.

On the contrary, I have no problem, making fallacious analogies only makes the discussion easier for me.

So? Still serves the same purpose. So it gives you more information. Name me one actual scientist that would say “I want to know less about this thing I just discovered.”

If you generalize enough, you'll find a common denominator of usage between things...

On the topic of wanting to know less/more, adding the ADS would allow you to know more because you can discover things faster so you can try and look for the quote you asked.

We seem to be operating under different definitions here.

There are multiple definitions of discovery within the game itself, using only one is myopic.

 

[WR3ND]

And Ralph OFC, thanks for the rep.

I certainly don't care for how the FSS is used and implemented in general, being a compulsory part of exploration game-play in the game. So, close enough, I suppose.

 

[Old Duck]

Nope it does not - the ADS marks objects for "true" discovery via other means, the FSS is a mandrolic arm-chair back-seat spotting tool.

I'm the only True Explorer here, and I say the FSS is great. Now all you noobs get back on the tourist bus or cruise ship you came from before it leaves you behind.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Nope it does not - the ADS marks objects for "true" discovery via other means, the FSS is a mandrolic arm-chair back-seat spotting tool.

So... we haven’t “truly” discovered anything in our own solar system, except the earth’s moon because no one’s actually trekked all the way there.

“Hey NASA, you’re wasting this guy’s time. Oh, you don’t care? He can what? No, I’m not saying that to anyone.”


I wonder if this would be a bad time to bring up things like the Telegraph, or snail-mail vs e-mail, the slow death of the fax machine, indoor plumbing, or buying a new PC with DOS on it....

 

[myothershipisacobraiv]

The FSS starts out pointed at where your ship is pointed. You could always just find something with the FSS, but not actually click it, and then orient your ship towards it and fly to it.

 

[Wargfoot]

I'm the only True Explorer here, and I say the FSS is great. Now all you noobs get back on the tourist bus or cruise ship you came from before it leaves you behind.

If I'm going on a space cruise I'm only going to go on one if it is in the top 1% of cruise lines.
Anything like that available?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Nope it does not - the ADS marks objects for "true" discovery via other means, the FSS is a mandrolic arm-chair back-seat spotting tool.

And what is true exploration when it's at home.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

The FSS starts out pointed at where your ship is pointed. You could always just find something with the FSS, but not actually click it, and then orient your ship towards it and fly to it.

That'd only work if the object in question is not too far away and it'd be a titanic time sink.

 

[WR3ND]

The FSS starts out pointed at where your ship is pointed. You could always just find something with the FSS, but not actually click it, and then orient your ship towards it and fly to it.

Great for people who like to park their spaceships in supercruise and go out of a first-person pilot perspective while "exploring." I don't use Telepresence in the game either. Fortunately it's much more easily avoided and I can get on with enjoying the game in a reasonable fashion.

I think I bothered using the FSS in maybe... 10 systems on DW2. It's just not worth the hassle to me. Shame we don't really have other reasonable options.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Great for people who like to park their spaceships in supercruise and go out of a first-person pilot perspective while "exploring." I don't use Telepresence in the game either. Fortunately it's much more easily avoided and I can get on with enjoying the game in a reasonable fashion.

Like when using the system map.

Use your imagination. Present it's a full VR overlay. You are till sitting there, you just can't see yourself. Simple.

But at the end of the day, the choice is yours. Imagine it how you want to.

 

[WR3ND]

Like when using the system map.

Minus the parking bit, but also much worse in some respects. The system map isn't really forced, mind-numbing game-play for the sake of unlocking content. It's just a map. Also, the nav. panel is a thing that would be nice to use.

 

[Wargfoot]

I looked at the controls for FSS and read about it a little bit.
It seems to be an entire Elite Dangerous mini-game that doesn't hold my interest long enough to even learn.

I'm glad other people like it.

 

[WR3ND]

...

Use your imagination. Present it's a full VR overlay. You are till sitting there, you just can't see yourself. Simple.

But at the end of the day, the choice is yours. Imagine it how you want to.

That's what I mean, the beauty of first-person game-play is that you get to play as though you're there instead of just imagining it. Makes a huge difference to me. I don't care to park my ships and play around dialing stuff in on a map to explore the cosmos. I could do that in just about any old space game to one extent or another; even tabletop RPGs. Immersion is a compelling aspect of this game, at least for me.