Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

[Riverside]

Your umpteen's repetition of the same old sermon while ignoring all counter-arguments doesn't make this nonsense any more true though.

I am not ignoring counterarguments, I am directly addressing and refuting them because they are flawed. Putting the old functionality back in (in an optional way) is the obvious solution with no downsides for any player. I am not advocating anything be removed, I do not want any player to lose out if it can be avoided, including you picommander

 

[sgurr]

Just having a quick scan to see what's been happening and this:

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You don't realize how you're talking yourself into a rage and long have lost the path of common sense, eh?

side by side with this:

I'd be one of the first ones who'll leave when I see any signs of the ADS back into the game. And I don't believe you a single word when you say you would care, that's just some diplomatic hogwash. You pretty much care as I do: Not at all.

made me laugh.

Have a good day everyone o7

 

[Old Duck]

The bottom line is that FDev don't like the ADS, so we won't get the ADS.

It sure would be nice if they fixed all these bugs, however. Plenty of bugs in the FSS, DSS, and Codex, along with things like Supercruise stutter, EBL, etc, and these are just the exploration-related bugs!

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

It sure would be nice if they fixed all these bugs, however. Plenty of bugs in the FSS, DSS, and Codex, along with things like Supercruise stutter, EBL, etc, and these are just the exploration-related bugs!

That's what the 'new era' is.
Everyone thinks it's gonna be spacelegs, but it's simply that FDev plan to actually fix stuff

 

[Old Duck]

That's what the 'new era' is.
Everyone thinks it's gonna be spacelegs, but it's simply that FDev plan to actually fix stuff

Don't hold your breath. "Beyond" was supposed to be the year to fix stuff, but instead they broke the game worse than ever (at least on my platform). New Era will more likely be New Error (x10000000).

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Don't hold your breath. "Beyond" was supposed to be the year to fix stuff, but instead they broke the game worse than ever (at least on my platform). New Era will more likely be New Error (x10000000).

Even now, while on the wait, they still manage to break it.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

Jeez, is this silly thread still going on. The ADS is not coming back. It was no oversight, they do not need to justify it to anyone, get a grip and live with the decision.

Well of course yes Max, we couldn't keep it alive without you

 

[Shinji Ikari]

I'd be one of the first ones who'll leave when I see any signs of the ADS back into the game. And I don't believe you a single word when you say you would care, that's just some diplomatic hogwash. You pretty much care as I do: Not at all.

Congratulations, you are the first person who claims will leave ED if the ADS comes back, so now it's several - 1 in favor of the return of the ADS.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I also agree that it's badly lacking. But it is what you described: sending probes. And using gravitation to affect their flight path.

But while that sounds great, it plays boringly. Unfortunately I also don't see how you could make "shot probes, let gravitation pull them in" much more interesting. Randomizing gravitation doesn't seem too logical, after all.

Its why I always suggest people translate 'cool ideas' into actual mechanics when proposing them. All too often these proposals aren't actual proposals, but more vague descriptions of cool fantasies than do not translate to repeatable gameplay scenarios. Translating such ideas into concrete mechanics also helps locating challenges when it comes to UI choices, VR, different play styles etc.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

And here is why I'm talking in conjunctive and why I'm pretty sure this never will happen: it's not so much the ADS itself but the fact that in this case Frontier would cave in to a very minor but at the same time very vocal group with lots of endurance. Besides being utterly unprofessional, that also would lose the tiny rest of trust that I still have in the future of the game. This trust is already heavily challenged by the fact that a massive undertaking anticipated to last about 2 years never was even vaguely outlined. That's hard to build up some hope upon when all you got is literally nothing. That's currently my main concern that leaves any ADS or not considerations far behind.

In short, doing something Pi doesn't like is unprofessional, quite a deep conclusion.

 

[Ian Skippy]

In short, doing something Pi doesn't like is unprofessional, quite a deep conclusion.

No, and pretending that is what he said pretty lame.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

When using your conclusions anything ends in ridiculousness. But deep? I beg you pardon. Or in other words, when was the last time you said something substantial other than just trolling?
You seem to see your role in this thread to keep it clean from all opposing voices and scare away all potential positive comments, in a desperate attempt to create the illusion of "everyone hates the FSS". Which isn't true and you know it - quite the contrary. It's also dangerous close to insulting the devs if you really think they buy this nonsense.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hypocrisy

And no, I'm not being a troll, but if you insist report me and you'll see.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

No, and pretending that is what he said pretty lame.

Rereading the post, I still stand by what I said.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Any business wishing to maintain a good relationship with its customers needs to justify its decisions.
Gaming is no exception to that.

As most of their customers seem to be happy, it seems they are doing a good job. No they do not need to justify it. They have changed it to something they feel is better. Full stop, then end of it, the old ADS is not coming back.

 

[MadDogMurdock]

As most of their customers seem to be happy, it seems they are doing a good job. No they do not need to justify it. They have changed it to something they feel is better. Full stop, then end of it, the old ADS is not coming back.

We know the ADS isn't coming back.

Just bear in mind that the position you've taken means that you can't question FD about anything, ever.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Just bear in mind that the position you've taken means that you can't question FD about anything, ever.

It was never going to happen anyway.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

How about this one:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/troll


All 3 aspects can be found in your posts. If that's not trolling then it's moving dangerously close on the border to it. And no, I'm not going to call the police, that's just not worth the hassle.

They are not irrelevant but we both know who has the last word and it's not you or me.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

We know the ADS isn't coming back.

Just bear in mind that the position you've taken means that you can't question FD about anything, ever.

That's not what I said. We can question all we like, but to expect them to justify it, then you are barking up the wrong tree. They have justified it enough in there own view. It maybe not be enough for you or for others, buy at the end of the day, that is an issue you have, not Fdev.

I don't like the new C&P system. I find it makes little sense especially if space legs becomes a thing. But I don't go around asking them to justify it to me.

I didn't like the telepresence lore reason for multicrew, I thought it was crap,but I don't expect them to justify it to me.

Thinking you deserve that makes me think you are having delusions of grandeur.

 

[Sylow]

In short, doing something Pi doesn't like is unprofessional, quite a deep conclusion.

Interesting statement. There is no polite way to say how i see you in the scope of this thread.

 

[Sylow]

That's not what I said. We can question all we like, but to expect them to justify it, then you are barking up the wrong tree. They have justified it enough in there own view. It maybe not be enough for you or for others, buy at the end of the day, that is an issue you have, not Fdev.

I don't like the new C&P system. I find it makes little sense especially if space legs becomes a thing. But I don't go around asking them to justify it to me.

I didn't like the telepresence lore reason for multicrew, I thought it was crap,but I don't expect them to justify it to me.

Thinking you deserve that makes me think you are having delusions of grandeur.

Absolutely! I mean, i can continue the list with PP and Engineers. I consider both of them terribly bad. (While i actually find MultiCrew useful. Or at least found it useful when my friends still played. ) Anybody just paying the tiniest bit of attention also knows that i don't hesitate to state my concerns.

But demanding FD to justify their decisions is a whole different league. Somebody sure can do that if he holds a significant share of the company. (Not one or even a few game licenses. ) In which case he'd have better channels to forward his question than the games forum. If somebody is not holding a significant share of the company and still asks for them to justify their decisions, he might rather invest time to find a way back to reality.