Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

[-VR- Max Factor]

See I know you’re just pulling out the brasso now because I tried that too.

Brasso?

First, if you really wanted to do this, you would be clinically mad from the bug that only shows 4 of the attributes when you first zoom zoom.. you have to zoom out and zoom in again before you get all the data to study.

Not sure what bug you are talking about.

Then you’d know that as the sample size increases, that stuff becomes a blur of meaninglessness anyway.

If thats the case, then so would any other similar mechanic like the system map and galaxy map. But as to a blur of meaningless that is down to you. Doesn't happen to me.

Just like the complete madness of suggesting that first mapped is the “replacement” for first discovered, that second tag only means “I was here”.

Why is that madness. The old Discovered by tag you had to travel there. The new mapped by tag you need to travel there. They mean the same thing. If anything the new tag is the discovered by tag you get when you use the FSS. Thats purely logical.

I admit you can get some sort of info on local orbits though, at least as much as the system map anyway.

As well as POI's, volcanics, size of the planets/moons, a rough idea of what planet/moon looks like, distances, rings, material make up etc.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I explained, in detail, my reasoning behind my opinion - you dismissed that reasoning as irrelevant. Now it may not be relevant to YOU, but it's entirely relevant to me - since it was ME we were talking about.

What you explained was a completely biased view point because of your use of the old style ADS.

You don't engage in a discussion, you refuse to accept that anyone else has an opinion, and you reject as irrelevant any statement that does not support your argument.

I describe something as irrelevant, because it is irrelevant to the conversation at hand. I totally except other peoples opinion but I may have a different one. Also when peoples opinions are factually wrong, I like to point that out too. But then I get called "White Knight" because people don't like facts.

YYou are the very epitome of a white knight.

Except that is not the definition of white knight. A white knight defends the indefencible. I have never done that and neither would I do that.

So again, please explain how I am being a white knight?

 

[Skip Rockbounder]

I explained, in detail, my reasoning behind my opinion - you dismissed that reasoning as irrelevant. Now it may not be relevant to YOU, but it's entirely relevant to me - since it was ME we were talking about.

You don't engage in a discussion, you refuse to accept that anyone else has an opinion, and you reject as irrelevant any statement that does not support your argument.

You are the very epitome of a white knight.

uses up the most forum space too

 

[Burke]

Max gets free stuff from frontier for crushing FSS dissent.

 

[marx]

What a load of utter garbage. You call the FSS purille, now I am calling you purile with this pathetic excuse of a reply.

I wonder how long it's going to be before you again complain about somebody insulting you

 

[Riverside]

I don't think there is any need for insults. And I don't think Max is a white Knight, or White Knighting, there are plenty of issues Max has with game including the new exploration stuff.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I wonder how long it's going to be before you again complain about somebody insulting you

I gave as much as I am given. If he doesn't like being insulted, he shouldn't insult and be dishonest about people. Simple really.

 

[GrandAdmiralThrawn]

Being a new player, I only know the FSS, nothing about that ADS. I think it's got quite a few issues to iron out, but I don't exactly hate it or anything. Sometimes it can be a bit annoying, but that's about it. Could've never kept me from exploring, that much is for sure.

I've gone a few pages back in that thread, but couldn't find any clear statement about what's so horrible about it (aside from a few minor glitches and annoyances). Maybe I can't understand, because I don't know the ADS.

The only thing I spotted was that some people said they dislike being "out of cockpit" while scanning. I never thought of that as a problem. Remember the weird "scanner thing" with the blue light Spock had on the bridge of the original Enterprise? I thought of the FSS as being somewhat similar to that.

Maybe somebody can explain that ADS to me? I can't find any Youtube videos or websites properly explaining or demonstrating it, so I don't get it...

 

[Burke]

Maybe somebody can explain that ADS to me? I can't find any Youtube videos or websites properly explaining or demonstrating it, so I don't get it...

Imagine a sonar ping that instantly gave you the system layout. Or just imagine you could see the system without using the FSS thats what the old thing did.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

Being a new player, I only know the FSS, nothing about that ADS. I think it's got quite a few issues to iron out, but I don't exactly hate it or anything. Sometimes it can be a bit annoying, but that's about it. Could've never kept me from exploring, that much is for sure.

I've gone a few pages back in that thread, but couldn't find any clear statement about what's so horrible about it (aside from a few minor glitches and annoyances). Maybe I can't understand, because I don't know the ADS.

The only thing I spotted was that some people said they dislike being "out of cockpit" while scanning. I never thought of that as a problem. Remember the weird "scanner thing" with the blue light Spock had on the bridge of the original Enterprise? I thought of the FSS as being somewhat similar to that.

Maybe somebody can explain that ADS to me? I can't find any Youtube videos or websites properly explaining or demonstrating it, so I don't get it...

The ADS did in ALL systems what the current honk does in EXPLORED (by someone else) systems.

Edit:
I forget, the ADS didn't automagically scan and tag all stars in the system, unlike the FSS.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Being a new player, I only know the FSS, nothing about that ADS. I think it's got quite a few issues to iron out, but I don't exactly hate it or anything. Sometimes it can be a bit annoying, but that's about it. Could've never kept me from exploring, that much is for sure.

I've gone a few pages back in that thread, but couldn't find any clear statement about what's so horrible about it (aside from a few minor glitches and annoyances). Maybe I can't understand, because I don't know the ADS.

The only thing I spotted was that some people said they dislike being "out of cockpit" while scanning. I never thought of that as a problem. Remember the weird "scanner thing" with the blue light Spock had on the bridge of the original Enterprise? I thought of the FSS as being somewhat similar to that.

Maybe somebody can explain that ADS to me? I can't find any Youtube videos or websites properly explaining or demonstrating it, so I don't get it...

The old ADS: Press a button for 5 seconds and everything would be discovered in your system map and nav panel. But no Discovered by tag until you flew there. When you flew there there and got to a certain distance you would get a swirly animation that would start automatically. After that would get your First Discovered by tag. The whole thing was passive instead of active apart from flying your ship, but that is still in the game regardless.

There were no probes, so finding POI meant flying over the surface trying to spot them by eye (Easier to do in VR). This could take hours to days depending on the size of the planet/moon and even then you would only know if there were geological POI. No mention of the biological or technological POIs.

 

[Ian Skippy]

I am only here to point out the correct spelling is 'puerile'. Carry on.

 

[GrandAdmiralThrawn]

I see, thank you! Actually, I've seen it in videos, but didn't get it... because there was no actual manual scanning process involved, so I was confused, thinking "so where's that ADS? I wanna see it...", lol.

Ok, now I see how the FSS would be a bit more tedious and why people might not like it, especially with some of its issues added to the mix (like needing multiple zooms to see more data, or having to wait for data after scanning a belt, because the FSS is somehow busy sorting out all those rocks).

I still don't hate it though, and sometimes it's fun too. Well, for me at least.

Edit: Parts of the ADS are clearly tedious as well though.. Like with the first discoveries and POIs.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

The ADS did in ALL systems what the current honk does in EXPLORED (by someone else) systems.

Not exactly.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I am only here to point out the correct spelling is 'puerile'. Carry on.

Irrelavant

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

I am only here to point out the correct spelling is 'puerile'. Carry on.

Stop being so puerile.

 

[askavir]

Irrelavant

You mean't disrelevant.

 

[IndigoWyrd]

Brasso?

At least where I am, Brasso is a brand of cleanser/scouring powder, generally used to restore shine to metal items, such a copper cookware, stainless steel counter tops and range tops, or cleaning tin ceilings and/or backsplashes.

Not sure what bug you are talking about.

I suspect he’s talking about when you scan an atmospheric world and it does not populate the atmospheric data in the FSS closeup until you zoom out and back in. It has been reported, it just hasn’t been upvoted enough yet I suppose.

If thats the case, then so would any other similar mechanic like the system map and galaxy map. But as to a blur of meaningless that is down to you. Doesn't happen to me.

In great enough quantities any data becomes a blur. Politicians count on this when campaigning. It’s why they talk so much yet say so little.

Why is that madness. The old Discovered by tag you had to travel there. The new mapped by tag you need to travel there. They mean the same thing. If anything the new tag is the discovered by tag you get when you use the FSS. Thats purely logical.

So there I was, sailing along in my longship, following my sun stone, far from the places of my ancestors, when on the horizon, I saw the dark line of land rising from the waters. I checked my charts, and this land wan not marked upon it. I looked at the sun, and the moon, and all the references I could find, and carefully recorded this newly discovered mass of land. We would not make landfall here though. I would report back to leader, the great Erik, who would return to my New Found Land, and scour this place as a possible settlement for he and his son, Lief.

First Discovered and First Mapped are indeed quite different, and tagged accordingly. Yes, it is ‘easier’ now to discover a thing, but being first to map it means you have gotten close enough to see the details. Arguing about this is the real nonsense.

As well as POI's, volcanics, size of the planets/moons, a rough idea of what planet/moon looks like, distances, rings, material make up etc.

Yep, not to mention more accurate visuals. Some times the zoomed display and the real thing differ pretty well.

 

[marx]

I gave as much as I am given. If he doesn't like being insulted, he shouldn't insult and be dishonest about people. Simple really.

No, I mean the times when you complain about how people in general are attacking you, not specific ones.

The old ADS: Press a button for 5 seconds and everything would be discovered in your system map and nav panel..

Factually incorrect.
The ADS honk revealed the system map, the visuals and hierarchy of the system, but no body information until you flew there and scanned them. You only knew the hierarchy of the system, and the visuals of the planets, from the honk alone.

The FSS honk reveals the exact body types in the system, gives you more credits for simply the honk alone, and automatic tags on stars.
You also don't need to fly to get all the body information on a planet, plus the same credits as before, plus the tag for which you used to have to fly.
If you also play the DSS, you get even more credits, a second tag, and if there are any POIs down on the planets, all their exact locations.

If you explore for credits, tags and ELWs, the FSS is better for you. The developers even said on a stream that it was designed for this.
If you explore for the rarest finds that the Stellar Forge has to offer, the FSS is worse for you.

 

[Burke]

The thing with the FSS is that people explored for years. Some stars were easy but others were far away. If you wanted the cudos or what ever personal reward from that tag you went and got it. It took effort and dedication and over night that was all wiped away. Star too far? No problem. Too difficult gettign tags? No problem just implement a second tagging system "first mapped" let those noobs write all over somebody elses hard work. They betrayed something i cant quite define and dumped all over the people who accepted the game for what it was and wernt complaining about travel times or whatever. To me personally it was the difference between a galaxy sandbox and a 7+ console game.