Could Frontier please demonstrate how to use the FSS enjoyably?

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Oh, sure.
And what would be the DSS in this case? Because as I see it, if i want commitment no one can stop me to go and DSS that body at 500000ls
What? the probes? yeah well that's bosh,bosh,bosh, same pattern for the same size every time (and infinite probes) but yeah the, travel there (500kls) needs commitment, but the probes for the scan don't... not like driving round for days to find an Alien site used to, anyway... I wasn't referring to the probe bit though that was added for mapping I guess because some players wanted beacons for points of reference.
 
We all wish is was good, of course

But, we can't simply roll over and pretend that it hasn't been little more than the biggest total disaster in every conceivable way.

Everrrr.

And that not even exaggeratering.
 
I think there was a misunderstanding due to a language barrier here. Jackie Silver meant a medium-haul route as in a medium trip of 20k ly, with roughly 25 jumps per thousand ly, not hauling cargo or anything. I'm sorry, but you made up everything that you got annoyed about, and that wasn't the point of what she wrote at all.
I get that, and upon looking, a mamba is more of a combat ship than anything... So for that I do apologize, but I do have a question? Why preface the distance they have to travel each jump? Why should that fact that is using a ship not made for exploring matter in the least? Why should her shorter jump distances matter?
 
Actually, if you want to read some detailed feedback from plenty of people, I'd recommend reading through this thread. Or if it's just one post you'd read, then it should be Jackie Silver's:

It's all from eight months ago, but nothing much has changed since.


And I notice the post directly below Jackie Silver's was a suggestion from me. It was 8 months ago, but still relevant, although I posted far more detailed (and different) suggestions at the time. And since this is the Suggestions sub-thread, here it is again...

Yes, I've already suggested something similar. The FSS should start with the orrery, with some bodies already analysed (closest, most energetic, etc.) and the remaining, especially systems with multiple stars, will still have the blue blobs. The blue blobs will have limited/approximate data only, and probabilities of body types. Then the explorer can choose to use the FSS to point and click the blue blobs of interest. The FSS mechanics, with multiple zoom levels and tuning works the same way, but it starts from the highest level bodies in the zoom hierarchy, rather than the whole system. Much of the inane pan-as-slow-as-possible busywork will be removed, but the general concept of the FSS remains.

Edit: I point out that the above is a compromise. My true feelings are that the FSS mechanic should be completely replaced by something better and more appropriate. There are plenty of great things that come out of the FSS - the USS, the POIs, etc. - but the busywork hunt-the-blue-blob is an insult, tbh.
 
Pretty sure FD will want to revisit the FSS very soon.

After it has caused all this furore.

I empathise with their situation - FD have, clearly, spent a lot of time (and, therefore, credits) on it.

So, it is a shame to have to recognise it as really very bad.

After all, none of us wanted to have to reach this conclusion.

But, facts must be faced.

It's rubbishy.
 
I think he was just really good at twiddling his "button", so it was probably the FSS interface he was looking at.

:D S

I think I imagined Spock was looking at a raw wave form and using experience to interpret it. I would presume Spock's FSS didn't provide a handy guide key in the bottom corner, he used knowledge & experience to interpret the signal.

So more like looking at an [unexplored] body on the sysmap and figuring out whether it was worth investigating further.

I don't think the Spock-o-scope is a particularly good analogy, Spock didn't fly the ship. I also think the simple solution to all of this is just to put the old modules back in. It solves an awful lot of problems and doesn't create any new ones.
 
As to the Spock-o-scope, it' was the best the 60's could come up with, now 60 years later I think it a bit lame pretending it was good... let alone copying it as a feature.

I understand that many of you protagonists claim the ADS a fail because it discovered all with a 5 second honk... well the bad news for you is that the FSS also does this, except instead of giving you the results in a readable fashion, it stops you in your tracks and fires them in a box and shakes them up so you can sort it out like matching up socks on washing day, Ooohhh we love washing day.
 
Nope, I’m familiar with thumbnails, but these are still quite small and dark to me, though I am on an iPhone XR, so there is that.

Ok, neat, but I prefer to do my own aimless wandering, not go where others have been countless times to see something they thought was neat, but I appreciate the information and links all the same!



Worse for you, infinitely better for me. I’m all too glad to trade off the “repetitive mini game”, or what I call “something to do”, for hours of flying back and forth to find out that planet that looked interesting on the map is a featureless ball of ice with an argon atmosphere I can’t even land on anyways. This will be the part of these neither of us will ever convince the other that we’re “right” about, so there’s no point in trying. What’s right for you is right for you. What’s right for me is right for me.



I never use the orrery. It’s completely worthless to me. I looked at it during the beta to ensured that it worked. I don’t even remember where it is now. And I’m not even as aspiring junior astronomer, so I don’t know what, exactly, a barycenter even is. I only ever went to the planetarium so I could sneak out and make out with my girlfriend at the time. And it’s not because I don’t like space stuff - I do. I just don’t spend my time engrossed in terminology or any serious study of it. I might be able to name three constellations looking up at the night sky. But that’s enough for me - I derive all the joy I require from that.

You could have said you don’t like flying.l to discover. That’s a valid opinion that no one seems to have raised in the 800 pages of discussion.

The designed the fss right on top of your preferences. It’s okay to just say it, the developers did.

Everyone has a slightly different angle on both sides of the pie, but I’d still say that if the mechanic of the fss was either interesting or immersive (it’s neither) many people wouldn’t be having this discussion.

Everyone is clutching at straws because we can’t have and max factor twisting and turning.
 
As to the Spock-o-scope, it' was the best the 60's could come up with, now 60 years later I think it a bit lame pretending it was good... let alone copying it as a feature.
I don't see the FSS like that anyway. I see it as a VR overlay, that's how I look at the galaxy and system maps too. Helps keep the immersion.

I understand that many of you protagonists claim the ADS a fail because it discovered all with a 5 second honk... well the bad news for you is that the FSS also does this, except instead of giving you the results in a readable fashion, it stops you in your tracks and fires them in a box and shakes them up so you can sort it out like matching up socks on washing day, Ooohhh we love washing day.
Not important to me. What is important is how it makes me feel. I feel like I am finding these things myself as opposed to the ADS which didn't.

But some people are not bothered about that. Each to their own.
 
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Woah, please stop that load of fake news.
I do hope they will improve the FSS (and I'm pretty sure they will) but believing they would be totally revamp the FSS is dellusionary.
Keep in mind: You are not that much than you think you are.
Agree'd it isn't so broke that it needs redone. I think just a bunch of people are salty at how much easier scanning an entire system became and after they did all that work previously.
 
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